Prove That Naps Is Scammer And Sells Bunk Gear

I also no one thing more ALL of the analyses I post will comply, if not exceed, existing lab standards (bc they are being conducted by an independent lab rather than in my garage). My tests will NOT approximate the analytical equivalent of swiss cheese with so many holes in the results one could drive a Mac truck thru them.

Finally unlike NAPs testing results I'll be readily available to field the majority of those questions others my have. AND if I don't know the answer, the labs PHd chemist most certainly will.

So whenever you or anyone else locates a better option than yours truly, I'm all ears! However complaining about what "we" need and failing to provide viable options speaks of UGL protectionism pure and simple.
 
I can't say until I have reliable results IN HAND!

I can tell you Naps first run will be from their Geneza line of AAS. But there are several other UGLs analyses ahead of those and any final report will not be available for some 2-4 weeks.
 
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I also no one thing more ALL of the analyses I post will comply, if not exceed, existing lab standards (bc they are being conducted by an independent lab rather than in my garage). My tests will NOT approximate the analytical equivalent of swiss cheese with so many holes in the results one could drive a Mac truck thru them.

Finally unlike NAPs testing results I'll be readily available to field the majority of those questions others my have. AND if I don't know the answer, the labs PHd chemist most certainly will.

So whenever you or anyone else locates a better option than yours truly, I'm all ears! However complaining about what "we" need and failing to provide viable options speaks of UGL protectionism pure and simple.

Be assured legitimate US based labs ARE NOT lining up to do this kind of testing. Dr. Jim's willingness to conduct this type of testing on behalf of MESO members is invaluable to this forum.
 
I hope MESO will prove you wrong :)

In part It's the legality of handling Schedule I ILLICIT drugs M. No lab is willing to do that and include FULL disclosure of not only of the CONCENTRATION but also about the LAB itself. Why, bc the DEA considers that the legal equivalent of aiding and abetting AAS use.

Nonetheless I SERIOUSLY HOPE I'M WRONG ALSO!!!
 
Yea I know what your referring to M, but unless one selects a third world lab, where the testing quality will suffer, the "DEA participates and cooperates" with the majority of European countries on those issues related to controlled substances.

The DEA's ability to control this type of overt activity seems unlimited and if that is what they really chose to do, I don't sense there is much anyone can do about it.

Again I do hope Im wrong! More importantly some of these labs are charging upwards of $400/ HPLS or MS and there are very few mates that can afford that.
 
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In part It's the legality of handling Schedule I ILLICIT drugs M. No lab is willing to do that and include FULL disclosure of not only of the CONCENTRATION but also about the LAB itself. Why, bc the DEA considers that the legal equivalent of aiding and abetting AAS use.

Nonetheless I SERIOUSLY HOPE I'M WRONG ALSO!!!

When there is an issue that has a major impact of many members of this forum for which testing would be helpful I will create a cover story and get the testing done by one of the lab directors I work with and the results will show exactly what is in the substance and at what quantities but this is literally something that I will only be able to do a couple of times spread out over many months before I risk my professional relationship with these gentlemen which I can't afford to do. The reasons for this are well stated above by Dr. Jim.
 
I have NO VESTED FINANCIAL INTEREST while YOU MOST CERTAINLY DO!

I’m not saying you necessarily have a vested interest. But you definitely may! Who knows what a man with degree in chemistry is doing on a bodybuilding board. Especially with your attitude, not even giving a source the benefit of the doubt and bashing it from the start. Doesn’t look good for independent testing.

Now of course it's understandable why any UGL would motion that the tests I post will be somehow biased, why they don'y want to be exposed, pure and simple

For some reason you do not accept the possibility that UG manufacturer may actually try their best to produce a good product. You are convinced that UGs are purposely underdosing products and this is how they earn big buck. You have no idea that the raw materials cost is a VERY small part of the expenses of the whole operation. One should be an idiot to underdose a test e vial when it costs $2 to manufacture and the sale price is $43. You refuse to understand that. Finally, we didn’t see a single lab test from you yet you call products and labs bogus and fake. This is not a good start for unbiased testing either. But even if you are unbiased, after all the shit you spilled over here you will not let your ego suffer when the tests come out good.
 
I’m not saying you necessarily have a vested interest. But you definitely may! Who knows what a man with degree in chemistry is doing on a bodybuilding board. Especially with your attitude, not even giving a source the benefit of the doubt and bashing it from the start. Doesn’t look good for independent testing.



For some reason you do not accept the possibility that UG manufacturer may actually try their best to produce a good product. You are convinced that UGs are purposely underdosing products and this is how they earn big buck. You have no idea that the raw materials cost is a VERY small part of the expenses of the whole operation. One should be an idiot to underdose a test e vial when it costs $2 to manufacture and the sale price is $43. You refuse to understand that. Finally, we didn’t see a single lab test from you yet you call products and labs bogus and fake. This is not a good start for unbiased testing either. But even if you are unbiased, after all the shit you spilled over here you will not let your ego suffer when the tests come out good.

Oh please enlighten Meso mates what MY vested interest could or would be? I'm sure they are all on the edge of their seats awaiting your divine insight, lol.

Maybe your from planet X far, far away and are not familiar with the history of Web based UGLs on planet earth but fella their reputation precedes themselves and generally sucks. Indeed based upon the testing by myself and several others over the past few years ALL have been implicated in the sale of mis-labeled, under-dosed or NO-DOSED AAS.

Thats right, some have even sold AAS with no anabolic contained therein. Fact is I was just forwarded the rough drafts of TEN samples submitted 2-3 weeks ago, and no more than 10% contained the correct product at the listed concentration.

Expect to see those results POSTED for all to scrutinize by the end of next week, providing the drafts are finalized by them and they SHOULD BE.

So spare me your song an dance bullshit about how righteous UGLs really are bc of the concern for being "caught" doing their dirty deed.

More importantly you have obviously overlooked the economic FACT even moderate reductions in the concentration or type of AAS can make a HUGE difference in their profitability. So for example if the cost to produce an AAS is say $10 bucks per vial at a concentration of 200mg/dl, simply cutting the concentration in HALF DOUBLES the profitability. GOT IT SHILL!

But most folk don't appreciate the difference bc damn near ALL UGLs make similar reductions, excepting when the Anabolic is TT. The latter being much more likely to be correctly dosed bc of the availability of serum TT levels.

Listen I could only DREAM of all the results "coming out good" but I KNOW that just won't happen, regardless of the effect it could have my credibility or ego, (NONE) both which your envious of, lol!

Although I have posted a couple comparative analyses on GETM products, which was my first priority when this endeavor began, as I've already mentioned until MY RESULTS are finalized they will not be published for the sake of expediency, 'competition" from NAPS and their production line copy type analyses or even YOU NAPS plant LMAO!

I mean crap I've no doubt any test i post which PROVES Naps is involved in the sale of bogus AAS you will contend is factious, and damn near every sane mate on Meso understands exactly why that is AND SO DO YOU!
 
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it is in the news all the time. I have seen report posted in some Italian Magazine and reprinted all over the world.

They tested a lot of intercepted steroids. 80% just bunk nothing inside, the rest a little of underdosed testosterone in many cases like 10mg/ml.

I have seen over the years similar reports from US customs. Most of the steroids are counterfeit and bunk there nothing new in this.
 
Oh please enlighten Meso mates what MY vested interest could or would be? I'm sure they are all on the edge of their seats awaiting your divine insight, lol.

WHATEVER IS YOUR REASON FOR CALLING OUR PRODUCTS AND LAB TESTS BOGUS WITHOUT ANY PROOF AND PRIOR TESTING WOULD BE THE REASON FOR YOUR VESTED INTEREST IN FAKING THE LABS. STILL DON'T GET IT?

Be it another lab owner/shill with a hidden agenda or your ego or god knows what else. Wait a minute, are you telling me 1) you are not connected to any lab 1) you are not a lab owner 3) you will never take the money for “perfecting” your favorite or your own lab products tests and we should all trust you because of your 7k posts?
Who are you and how can you prove this? You are just a 7k posts guy that is for some reason bashing our lab from the start WITHOUT ANY PROOF AND LAB TESTS. ARE YOU STILL CALLING THIS NO VESTED INTEREST? Moreover, you do this in an insulting manner. You are nobody and definitely have an agenda. This is so obvious!

Where have you been in 2006-2010 when BodyofScience was independently testing different labs products and publishing them in Anabolics book? They did not call anyone bogus prior testing or insulted just because there are a lot of fakes floating around. They were an authority and you are nobody Jim! I hope MESO will take BoS route and continue the good tradition.

More importantly you have obviously overlooked the economic FACT even moderate reductions in the concentration or type of AAS can make a HUGE difference in their profitability. So for example if the cost to produce an AAS is say $10 bucks per vial at a concentration of 200mg/dl, simply cutting the concentration in HALF DOUBLES the profitability. GOT IT SHILL!

How can you be that stupid man? Your example doubles profitability for whom? For 1 day operation lab? Don’t you get it that this will DAMAGE the business in the long run? Are you not getting it or you are refusing to understand this because of your cocky ego again?

This will work for a lab that pops up and disappears. THIS WILL NOT WORK FOR A LAB LIKE GENEZA THAT HAS BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR AGES! You can’t sell hundreds of liters of fake/underdosed injectables and millions of pills A MONTH for years and still be expanding the business. Making a good product is simply the best business decision in the long run. If you are still refusing to understand this I'm done with you.
 
NAPS

Do you seriously think that if your products were so good you would have so many people bitching ?

You sent me bunk masteron, bunk tren so I know this from personal experience.
 
A couple weeks ago, placed an order with Naps for GP test prop, GP winny, HGH (Hygetropin), and GP Arimidex. Wish I would have read some of the reviews here before I made my order. I will be getting blood work done so if it seems weak, I’ll definitely post on here. I hate seeing people get scammed. And sources that are selling crap need to get called out. Wish I would have done more research, but you live and learn.
 
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Do you seriously think that if your products were so good you would have so many people bitching ?

You sent me bunk masteron, bunk tren so I know this from personal experience.

Merc, was it Tren A or E? Geneza? Do you still have the batch number(s) I still have some GP Tren fro. The give away.
 
WHATEVER IS YOUR REASON FOR CALLING OUR PRODUCTS AND LAB TESTS BOGUS WITHOUT ANY PROOF AND PRIOR TESTING WOULD BE THE REASON FOR YOUR VESTED INTEREST IN FAKING THE LABS. STILL DON'T GET IT?

Be it another lab owner/shill with a hidden agenda or your ego or god knows what else. Wait a minute, are you telling me 1) you are not connected to any lab 1) you are not a lab owner 3) you will never take the money for “perfecting” your favorite or your own lab products tests and we should all trust you because of your 7k posts?
Who are you and how can you prove this? You are just a 7k posts guy that is for some reason bashing our lab from the start WITHOUT ANY PROOF AND LAB TESTS. ARE YOU STILL CALLING THIS NO VESTED INTEREST? Moreover, you do this in an insulting manner. You are nobody and definitely have an agenda. This is so obvious!

Where have you been in 2006-2010 when BodyofScience was independently testing different labs products and publishing them in Anabolics book? They did not call anyone bogus prior testing or insulted just because there are a lot of fakes floating around. They were an authority and you are nobody Jim! I hope MESO will take BoS route and continue the good tradition.



How can you be that stupid man? Your example doubles profitability for whom? For 1 day operation lab? Don’t you get it that this will DAMAGE the business in the long run? Are you not getting it or you are refusing to understand this because of your cocky ego again?

This will work for a lab that pops up and disappears. THIS WILL NOT WORK FOR A LAB LIKE GENEZA THAT HAS BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR AGES! You can’t sell hundreds of liters of fake/underdosed injectables and millions of pills A MONTH for years and still be expanding the business. Making a good product is simply the best business decision in the long run. If you are still refusing to understand this I'm done with you.


Spoken like the true shill that you are.

If your the best a multimillion dollar company has to offer then a considerable portion of their AAS must be bogus as are the "tests" I've challenged.

Get out of here junior and find someone with a least half a brain to field my QUESTIONS!!!!
 
You have no idea that the raw materials cost is a VERY small part of the expenses of the whole operation.

So for example if the cost to produce an AAS is say $10 bucks per vial at a concentration of 200mg/dl, simply cutting the concentration in HALF DOUBLES the profitability. GOT IT SHILL!

i think naps knows a thing or two about manufacturing and distribution. @Dr JIM you should speak about what know of like lab testing and leave those distbn explanations to @naps

My tests will NOT approximate the analytical equivalent of swiss cheese with so many holes in the results one could drive a Mac truck thru them.

like this ^^ i would appreciate if you could explain all these swiss cheese holes in naps lab testing that makes the results bogus and in lay terms.

Oh please enlighten Meso mates what MY vested interest could or would be?

Listen I could only DREAM of all the results "coming out good" but I KNOW that just won't happen, regardless of the effect it could have my credibility or ego, (NONE) both which your envious of, lol!

i wish you would leave your extreme bias out of testing. the purpose of testing is to show whether it is gtg or bogus. you show your bias when you already know the results before testing.

the meso community really needs more lab testing but when you should let the testing do the talking and less of the blah blah.

we don't need another someone who is determined to prove a source is bogus and lets be damned what actual evidence says about the products.
Where have you been in 2006-2010 when BodyofScience was independently testing different labs products and publishing them in Anabolics book? They did not call anyone bogus prior testing or insulted just because there are a lot of fakes floating around.
we really need independent and unbiased testing
 
For some reason you do not accept the possibility that UG manufacturer may actually try their best to produce a good product.


If a big UGL like Naps isn't testing the raws THEMSELVES, they are NOT trying their best to produce a good product. That's what I've been trying to get you to understand. Eli Lily doesn't rely on third party testing of their raws or finished product, the test it themselves. That's the only way to ensure quaity.

If you really wanted to offer the best quality possible, you would be doing in house testing. You know this is true, Naps.

I cannot understand why a lab of your size refuses to implement an house testing program unless you've come to understand that your customers are so desperate for AAS they will buy whatever you put out, regardless of the quality.

You are convinced that UGs are purposely underdosing products and this is how they earn big buck. You have no idea that the raw materials cost is a VERY small part of the expenses of the whole operation. One should be an idiot to underdose a test e vial when it costs $2 to manufacture and the sale price is $43. You refuse to understand that.

Who said it has to be the UGL that's underdosing? It's far more likely the Chinese are underdosing the raw powder, and, for them, it is HIGHLY profitable. If they cut the powder by half, they DOUBLE their profit.
 
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