proviron(mesterolone)

[SWALE]

jb, I sure like this one.

Amongst its conclusions is the observation that our sexual being is far more than our hormone levels.

I have noticed that male TRT patients tend to credit--and blame--every aspect of their sex lives on their hormonal optimization. When I first put them on TRT, and serum androgen levels are accelerating, they follow their penis around all day (like a 17 year old). But once things stabilize, and they assume a more regular, albeit elevated over the initial baseline, existence, they sometimes feel the TRT is failing them sexually. I get complaints. It is then time to remind them our sexual being naturally waxes and wanes.

This would be a good place for HeadDoc to jump in. The final member of "The Three Old Amigos".

 

[jboldman]

Int Urol Nephrol. 1978;10(3):251-6. Related Articles, Links


Mesterolone treatment of patients with pathospermia.

Szollosi J, Falkay GY, Sas M.

The response to Mesterolone, in doses of 25 mg/day, was examined in 42 pathospermic patients. Treatment lasted for 100 days. The pronounced response to the Mesterolone treatment was observed in hypozoo- and oligozoospermia with low initial fructose content in the ejaculate. Fructose content attained its normal range after the treatment. During the therapeutic period 11 wives became pregnant. The authors conclude that Mesterolone does not influence plasma FSH, LH and testosterone levels, it has only peripheral effects.

 

[jboldman]

this is my personal experience as well, if i think about it too much it does not work as well. Relaxation, going with the flow makes all the difference. If i am worried about performing, chancing are much better that there will be a problem.

jb

jb, I sure like this one.

Amongst its conclusions is the observation that our sexual being is far more than our hormone levels.

I have noticed that male TRT patients tend to credit--and blame--every aspect of their sex lives on their hormonal optimization. When I first put them on TRT, and serum androgen levels are accelerating, they follow their penis around all day (like a 17 year old). But once things stabilize, and they assume a more regular, albeit elevated over the initial baseline, existence, they sometimes feel the TRT is failing them sexually. I get complaints. It is then time to remind them our sexual being naturally waxes and wanes.

This would be a good place for HeadDoc to jump in. The final member of "The Three Old Amigos".

 

[SWALE]

Good good good. We're assembling a small body of interesting works. Thanks, jb.

I cannot for the life of me figure out what the mechanism of this stuff is, IF it is an androgen, yet does not alter any hormone levels.

 

[jboldman]

i think that it is indeed an androgen but only a weak one, i have noted in studies done with 300-400mg/day that there has been siginificant depression of testosterone. My guess is that at 50-100 a day the hpta is not affected but there might be some pyschoactive components that are more sensitive to low doses.

jb

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Prog Neurobiol. 1983;20(3-4):185-249. Related Articles, Links


The discovery of antidepressant drugs by computer-analyzed human cerebral bio-electrical potentials (CEEG).

Itil TM.

Antidepressant properties of six compounds were predicted based on their computer-analyzed human electroencephalographical (CEEG) profiles. The clinical investigations with mianserin (GB-94) confirmed the CEEG prediction. This compound has now been marketed as the first antidepressant of which the clinical effects were discovered solely by the quantitative pharmaco-EEG method. As predicted by the CEEG, clinical antidepressant properties of GC-46, mesterolone, and estradiol valerate were observed in preliminary investigations. No extensive studies with definite statistical results were yet carried out with these compounds. No systematic large studies could be conducted with cyclozocine and cyproterone acetate because of the intolerable side effects with these compounds. The optical isomers of mianserin, GF-59 and GF-60, both predicted as antidepressant by the computer EEG data base, have not yet been tested in depressive patients. None of these compounds possess the "typical" pharmacological and/or biochemical profiles of marketed antidepressants. Thus, the discovery of the established antidepressant properties of mianserin (GB-94) by computer analyzed EEG method challenges the well-known biochemical hypotheses of depression and the "classical" development of antidepressant drugs.

 

[SWALE]

I think you have come up with a pretty good theory there. Even with as little as I know about this stuff, it makes sense to me.

 

[prot]

from experience

I can tell you that it worked wonders after nandrolone administration left me sagging....I would question whether anyone having a problem might have "counterfeit" product. It has been used in Britain for ED but it was cheap and the makers of Viagra really advertise. It used to be about 25 cents a 25mg tab but profiteers have jacked the black market price to $1.50 or so with no justification except demand.

 

[toc67guru]

prot what dosage did you use?

 

[prot]

I just used 50 mg taken all at once

before an encounter and it was "no problem". In fact it wouldn't go down even after ejaculating..Not priapism just stayed rigid for awhile.

 

[Ronin_]

It didn't on me. I took it for 6 weeks and didn't feel a thing.

Ive taken upto 75mg of proviron a day while in a BAD hypogonadal state eg 2 on a scale of 8-28.

It didnt do anything for my libido unfortunately

I must point out this was pharmacy bought proviron and absolutely real, so counterfeit inert issues dont enter it my experience guys

 

[jboldman]

i have always taken a minimum of 100mg/day for sexual effects. clearly sexuality is a very complex issue with no absolute magic bullet.

jb