I'm running var now and bought winny raws just for shits and giggles. I got em so just figured I'd use them and try and get a feel for either one. See if I can make an educated observation on both. Plus I figure using a nandrolone will help with the joint pain potentially caused by winny.The only comment I can give on your other post, is unless you're dieting down for a show I wouldn't bother with Winny. I dislike the negative effects on your joints. If you want an oral to harden you up a little, but easier on the body, maybe anavar?