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Made my day brother yeah your girl only .
@Wunderpus for the win! Vote is in! WP, You need to send your nipple pics for @Eman - he likes your nipples. [emoji14][emoji9]

And here is the reason why.... pics speak volumes, yes... but she's also the only one who keeps WP in line for nearly a whole year!! That's hard to do... hehehe especially with his Tinder experiences and adventures.... damn I miss those stories. [emoji6] xoxo
 
I'm quoting myself just to say that there are alot of differing opinions on hcg out there. The forum I used to frequent, everyone was adamant that hcg was suppressive to natural testosterone production therefore it should not be run after cycle as a pct.
A few google searches shows a majority of people explaining how it mimics LH and therefore starts the testes producing testosterone again. In those explanations, it would be run towards the end of the cycle and up to pct. Pct would then reboot the whole system, but you'd have a jump start since the testes are already producing test.

Basically I'm not smart enough to determine fact from broscience on this so take my advice with a grain of salt.

The forum you frequented must have been Evo. They're only trying to push their product. HCG is very very crucial for PCT. Doctors used it on me when I started TRT to try and get my body to make Testosterone again thinking I took something. It worked really well and felt great but it didn't work due to a medical condition. Point being, use it. There's studies everywhere.

There’s a Comprehensive Guide to PCT sticky in the above mentioned forum. Like @movingiron88 said; PCT is key to successfully cycling. Meso has more useful Information on this subject than anywhere else I’ve found. If anyone knows of other useful resources, feel free to interject.

Having bloodwork before, during and after a cycle is critical to knowing when your test has dropped so that successful PCT can be started.

So many people start PCT too soon and their recovery is prolonged or more likely they cruise on test which just makes it harder to PCT the longer you take exogenous testosterone.

This is on point. ^

and btw.. update on the crippling pip.. gonna reach out to that dude that almost cut his leg off a while back and see if were sharing same symptoms..
started to get a red oval next to where I pinned..(weird cuz I pinned the side, and on the topside of my quad is where the red oval is at) yesterday I was literally dragging my leg and couldn't bend at the knee..
today is less painful but fuck it hurts to the touch and walking is painfull as well..

M840 it's the carrier.

Isn't there a Chinese holiday coming up that really screws up shipping? I know it's around this time of year.

No shipping is super slow this time of year. Even the post office said something to me in Nov. International shipping starts to get slow then cause everyone is trying to get stuff out.
 
Yeah I honestly just want to do one cycle to see how I react to it. Everywhere I was looking they said do anywhere between 20-30 mg of dbol ed and 500 mg test-e a week. Some including arimidex for during cycle and nolvadex and clomid post cycle. Which is why I decided to create an account to actually ask questions. Don't want to spend money for things I do not need.
Here are my 2 cents...
Yes you will save $ brewing but your own gear, yes it’s fun and interesting to play around with dosages and what not, yes you know exactly what’s in the gear bc your brewing it yourself. There are a lot of pluses to brewing but I do not recommend putting all that $ out for brewing equipment and raws and what ever alas your gonna need for your first cycle. Again there’s no right or wrong answer this is just my advice so take it for what it’s worth. If your dead set on running a cycle and it’s your first cycle ever and you’ve done your research and read through this ppl thread then you should have enough trust and faith in your source to order finished product and see how you re-act before plunging right into brewing. I recommend dropping the d-bol and just doing a test cyp/enth cycle at 500mg a week pinning twice a week. I wouldn’t complicate it by adding nolva during your cycle. If you wannna do it right you should get pre-bloods to see where your natty test stands and your estrogen. I would def add arimidex in during your cycle but I’m not gonna suggest a dose cause everyone is different and the only way to tell is through bloods.(but I run .5 adex eod) that’s what works for me. So to sum all that up.....
12 weeks of test cyp/enth
Adex as needed to keep estrogen from skyrocketing. Like I said I take .5mg eod but I strongly suggest getting bloods to see where your happy medium is obvi you don’t want to crash your estrogen with too much ai but you don’t want it through the roof where your nips are getting sensitive and your crying while watching Rudolph the red nosed rain deer lol.
I don’t think you need to jump right into brewing just yet (if you like ass and you benifit from it then yes it’s something to look into.) and I wouldn’t run nolva during cycle.
Def get nolva and Clomid for pct and start aprox 2 weeks after last pin.
Clomid-100,50,50,50
Nolva-40,20,20,20

Again I’m no expert I’m learning every day just like you. This is exactly what I was told to do on my very first cycle. And I’m just passing it on. Hope it helps!

Edit: again post bloods will help to know exactly when to start pct. pre, intra and post bloods very important.
 
Letro on a first cycle with only 20mgs of dbol lol. Ok lets crash his estro AND hinder his most abundant gains!
@Brucie is absolutely right about having metro or def adex on hand while running dbol and while yes 20mg is a low dose everyone reacts different. Personally like I said before I would drop the dbol pit completely. No one needs that’s on there first cycle. If you run quality test and train and diet right you will gain like a mf’er just on test cycle. Do it right and be prepared for the worst or don’t do it at all. I’ve learned the hard way years ago. Always have proper support in your tool chest beofre you start any cycle.
 
@Wunderpus for the win! Vote is in! WP, You need to send your nipple pics for @Eman - he likes your nipples. [emoji14][emoji9]

And here is the reason why.... pics speak volumes, yes... but she's also the only one who keeps WP in line for nearly a whole year!! That's hard to do... hehehe especially with his Tinder experiences and adventures.... damn I miss those stories. [emoji6] xoxo
God damn, it has been almost a year... Crazy!
 
Again. Nolva ISN'T an ai. It's a SERM. Google it and you may learn something. Recommending not having an ai on hand is completely riiculous. It may, MAY not be needed but starting a cycle without it on hand then starting to grow tits because everyone aromatizes differently, is a horrible idea.
Thankyou
 
Have you tried it? I have been holding off. I have tried to email Panda a couple times, and sent pics. His secretary says it's the GSO.
Yes I have. I have noticed a difference from the test enanthate 300 i was running but sust is different on timing. I thought i had some bunk sust before and it just took longer to get going. Definitely looks like tren though.
 
Yes I have. I have noticed a difference from the test enanthate 300 i was running but sust is different on timing. I thought i had some bunk sust before and it just took longer to get going. Definitely looks like tren though.
I appreciate your feedback, I have always felt confident in everything I've got from Panda. So I will continue on. I just haven't seen anything like it in my years of use.
 
Mild AI lol? You mean nolva ha ha? Nolvadex is an anti-esro dude and hard to get bitch tits from test/dbol when running nolva so learn your shit before you go acting like a know it all. Running an AI during a first cycle is a horrible idea and 99/100 times not required! Go regurgitate some other useless shit while you're at it!!!!
Dude are you serious. I mean this with all due respect. But that is the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. ANY NEW GUYS PLEASE PLEASE DONT LISTEN TO THIS. oh and btw please don’t respond to with some know it all come back cause you will not get a response out of me. I’m not trying to be an asshole but cmon man know what your talking about if your gonna give advice.
 
I appreciate your feedback, I have always felt confident in everything I've got from Panda. So I will continue on. I just haven't seen anything like it in my years of use.
Me either. Tren is the only thing ive seen that dark. First time with ppl though. Ill know for sure soon enough. Until then not gonna worry about it.
 
Mild AI lol? You mean nolva ha ha? Nolvadex is an anti-esro dude and hard to get bitch tits from test/dbol when running nolva so learn your shit before you go acting like a know it all. Running an AI during a first cycle is a horrible idea and 99/100 times not required! Go regurgitate some other useless shit while you're at it!!!!
Testosterone and dbol are both steroids that aromatase. Some people can run a gram a week of test and never have to touch an air some people on the other hand can just look at a vial of test and grow bitch tits. Everyone is different and there’s no way to tell how sensitive some people are and some people aren’t. There fore saying “running a ai during your first cycle with these compounds is completelety false bro. Also stating that 99/100 not required is also absolutely false. I’m not gonna go into the difference between nolva (a serm) and adex (a aromatase inhibitor) bc you can do your own research which I strongly advise. But anytime your running compounds that can aromatase it’s ALWAYS a good practice to have an AI (adex,aromasin) on hand. By all means bro I’m not trying to be an asshole or go back and forth about this with you. You’ve been misinformed and it’s ok to be wrong and at some point you will realize “YOUR WRONG”. Being able to man up and admit it separates the men from the boys.
 
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Luck favors the prepared my friend.

I thought rule of thumb with AAS is prepare for the worst. Always have your PCT on hand and legit before starting cycle. Always have AI to keep E2 down.

Everyone’s body reacts to AAS differently. To not acknowledge that when advising someone just starting AAS usage is wrong. You gave bad advice. Own it, apologize and move on please.
I think this is solid advice-- Unfortunately I have needed an AI Every cycle--- My first cycle was when I was 22--much too young but I was overly ambitious--- I found out the hard way about estrogen.... I recommend low dose AI with every cycle and pull bloods mid point to dial it in-- if you can use less --god bless you but we tend to take more gear then needed so the AI becomes necessary--- I am 47 and constantly resisting the urge to inject more---
 
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