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Surfj9009 said:
Well I dont really know how to answer the question of how long they last. We’ve been going out to the clubs on Friday nights looking for another honey to bring home. So I typically dose Friday at dinner and stay pretty much fully erect with even the slightest stimulation till Saturday. Then the next 3-4 days I am hypersensitive and hard as a rock if I even think about sex or see yoga pants.
It makes going to the gym difficult when boners pop up so effortlessly.
I usually don’t have any ED problems normally, and tren with Caber and HCG made an absolute horndog. This go around I am on deca and was having some issues so I gave it a try. Also used Cialis from another source to good effect as well.
Only problem I have now is that I’m easily hard as a rock....and can hit it several times a day for an hour or more each time...but getting the fucking nut is a real challenge. I’ve worked so hard at it a few times that I felt like I was at my max heart rate for almost too long.
Currently on week 7 of deca/NPP cycle. Ran deca weeks 1-6 at 300 and test at 600. Had to switch to NPP after a source mixup made me run out of deca...so I get NPP for the next 5 weeks. Running Caber at .5mg three times a week and Aromasin @ 12.5mg EOD.
Any thoughts on how I can start busting more nuts?
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Get high and watch porn. Does the trick for me if I’m tired of the same vagina...
 
TRT said:
The forum you frequented must have been Evo. They're only trying to push their product. HCG is very very crucial for PCT. Doctors used it on me when I started TRT to try and get my body to make Testosterone again thinking I took something. It worked really well and felt great but it didn't work due to a medical condition. Point being, use it. There's studies everywhere.



This is on point. ^



M840 it's the carrier.



No shipping is super slow this time of year. Even the post office said something to me in Nov. International shipping starts to get slow then cause everyone is trying to get stuff out.
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Look what the cat drug in what's going on I hope all is good.
 
Noob question:
I see in many pct’s people recommending both clomid AND nolvadex...I’ve only ever taken nolvadex myself and never had any issues...(I also run hcg towards end of cycle) and keep aromasin on hand just in case(although I’ve also never had any issues and haven’t had to use an AI yet)...

But basically, do u guys really think it’s necessary to use clomid in ur pct ON TOP OF the nolvadex? I haven’t had an estrogen related issues ever, I tend to not be sensitive to that at all(lucky me)...

What’s the verdict?
 
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waterbottle said:
Noob question:
I see in many pct’s people recommending both clomid AND nolvadex...I’ve only ever taken nolvadex myself and never had any issues...(I also run hcg towards end of cycle) and keep aromasin on hand just in case(although I’ve also never had any issues and haven’t had to use an AI yet)...

But basically, do u guys really think it’s necessary to use clomid in ur pct ON TOP OF the nolvadex? I haven’t had an estrogen related issues ever, I tend to not be sensitive to that at all(lucky me)...

What’s the verdict?
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Both. If only one, I'd say Clomid
 
PurplePandaLabs Rep. said:
Look what the cat drug in what's going on I hope all is good.
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Haha! Ya I saw the thread filling up with 100s of new comments but wanted a couple hours to sit back and read it. Been busy with work and brewing.
I can see you've been extremely consistent on baby sitting this thread and keeping communication on point.
PurplePandaLabs Rep. said:
Ok guys waiting on domestic orders our policy has changed and we will no longer be giving tracking on domestic order unless it reaches 10 days for security reasons.
So those who are thinking your order hasn't shipped it probably has shipped you just will not receive tracking.
Sorry for any inconvenience
And thanks for your understanding.
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This is a good move.
 
waterbottle said:
Noob question:
I see in many pct’s people recommending both clomid AND nolvadex...I’ve only ever taken nolvadex myself and never had any issues...(I also run hcg towards end of cycle) and keep aromasin on hand just in case(although I’ve also never had any issues and haven’t had to use an AI yet)...

But basically, do u guys really think it’s necessary to use clomid in ur pct ON TOP OF the nolvadex? I haven’t had an estrogen related issues ever, I tend to not be sensitive to that at all(lucky me)...

What’s the verdict?
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It’s not just for suppressing estrogen, the clomid helps stimulate natural test production. If you don’t wait until your TT level has dropped to below normal levels (which you won’t know what that is without having blood drawn prior to starting your cycle) then the synergistic effects of the clomid/nolvadex kickstarting your testosterone production is lost.

Read the sticky in the PCT forum.

Search through the posts and you will find so much info. Think about how much you’ve probably researched your cycle. Proper PCT is critical to maintaining gains and restoring natural levels of test in your body. It’s a scientific art, but we have a wealth of knowledge here do aged by some of the best. You only get so many cycles. Get the most out of every one.

********* First post of first sticky in PCT************

PCT should only begin when the body is in an environment to stimulate LH and FSH secretion. In the case of testosterone this environment is achieved once TT begins to dip below pre cycle TT levels. Therefore not only to judge when pct has been successful but also to determine when pct should begin Pre-cycle blood levels should be taken.

How do we determine when TT levels fall below baseline aside from experiencing side effects or getting blood drawn every week?

As we know TT is directly related with the amount of exogenous testosterone we administer. In TRT studies it is generally excepted that a 100mg shot of testosterone enanthate/cyp will put blood levels at around 800-900ng/dl.
We can thus use this conversion with decent accuracy to judge at what mg TT levels will fall below baseline. (The conversion ratio somewhat lessens as doses increase therefore we should air on the side of caution when determining the optimal test mg target)

For example if pre-cycle levels are 500ng/dl then PCT should only begin when exogenous test falls to roughly 50mg. This will put TT in the 400-500ng/dl range and thus in a state where HPTA stimulation of FSH and LH release begins to become possible.

Now that we understand how to determine optimal Mg range of ex Test for HPTA restoration we must now find the length of time required to reach said levels after the last injection. To do this we must first understand Half lives of the varying esters and the variation they can have with each individual's physiology. Some users metabolize AAS more quickly or more slowly than others therefore we can only identify an average. Ill give one practical example of the commonly used ester Enanthate.

Enanthate has a half life of 5 days +/- 2.5 days (I will use a 7 day calculation to air on the side of caution)

A 12wk cycle of test e at 500mg per week will put ex Test at around 1000mg
(500mg+250+125+62.5+31.25 etc = 1000mg)

This means it will take 5 half lives to reach ex test at or below 50mg therefore time between last injection and start of PCT is 35 days.

It would be worthwhile to determine your own metabolization rate by taking a blood test after the 4th AVERAGE half life has passed. (In this case it would be at 20 days) Based on TT levels at this point you can determine YOUR half life.

Now that we understand how to accurately calculate a PCT start date based on our own physiology, what should an effective pct consist of?

hcg may be used during cycle and is consider to be a better option by many. There is a bill Roberts article that you may refer to on the subject. He suggests 500iu EOD throughout the cycle. If you did not use HCG during your cycle, here is a variation of Dr. Scally's PCT protocol for AAS users (his experience and expertise speaks for itself)

HCG 2000iu E3D for 14 days before pct start date

PCT start

1-35 clomiphene 50mg morning and night
1-45 tamoxifen 20mg morning and night

1-45 low dose of exemestane 12.5mg E3D (Optional)

The combination of clomid and nolva has been shown to provide better results than when compared alone. Clomid has a slightly different MOA than Nolva And Torem if you must use Torem in your PCT it should be a substitute for Nolva not Clomid. An equivalent dose of Torem for 40mg Nolva would be 120mg.

This PCT will give you the best chance at achieving and maintaining pre cycle TT levels rapidly after cessation of treatment for all AAS cycles under 25 weeks of suppression. PCT requirements vary depending on the user and mainly length of shutdown.

Post pct bloods should be taken approximately 2-3 weeks after cessation of treatment to ensure restoration has been achieved without further aid from SERM's. If restoration has not been achieved restart this PCT or better yet, CONSULT A PHYSICIAN!

Switching To Short Chain Esters

A largely overlooked factor that can greatly aid in maintaining gains, reducing HPTA shutdown length or extending a cycle without lengthening HPTA shutdown is switching from Long ester AAS to short ester AAS toward the end of the cycle. When done correctly this reduces the amount of time that users must wait to start PCT and/or increases the amount of time TT levels stay supra-physiological.

Here is a practical example of how to perform a switch to Test P from a regular 12 week cycle of Test E allowing us to extend it to 16 weeks. (In both cases length of shutdown is still 17 weeks)

First we must calculate our pct start date. For this example we will be using 750mg test e a week. With Ex test at about 1500 5 half lives have to pass to reach below 50mg. A PCT start date of 35 days is again warranted. Therefore we will start test p injections 35 days or 5 weeks before the end of the cycle.

Week 1-11 Test e 750mg
Week 13 Test p 400mg
Week 14 Test p 600mg
Week 15-16 Test p 700mg

Test p half life 2 days +/- 18hours (I will use a 2.5 day calculation)

PCT start 7 days

Tapering the test p injections upward in this fashion will ensure that TT levels do not spike dramatically when the shorter more quickly metabolized half life is introduced.

As we can see This will apply the same length of shutdown to the HPTA (17 weeks in both cases) but you will be able to extend the amount of time TT levels remain supra physiological.

Or if you would like you can use this method to shorten HPTA suppression length by removingthe extra weeks of injections and starting test p from weeks 8-12. (13 weeks of shutdowninstead of 17)
 
@TRT my old forum was 'ology. I can't really say about hcg because I fully believed the "hcg is suppressive" so don't take it during pct theory. I personally have some onhand and take it maybe twice a year but I'm on trt so mainly it's to plump up the little guys.
 
SouthernFryed said:
It’s not just for suppressing estrogen, the clomid helps stimulate natural test production. If you don’t wait until your TT level has dropped to below normal levels (which you won’t know what that is without having blood drawn prior to starting your cycle) then the synergistic effects of the clomid/nolvadex kickstarting your testosterone production is lost.

Read the sticky in the PCT forum.

Search through the posts and you will find so much info. Think about how much you’ve probably researched your cycle. Proper PCT is critical to maintaining gains and restoring natural levels of test in your body. It’s a scientific art, but we have a wealth of knowledge here do aged by some of the best. You only get so many cycles. Get the most out of every one.

********* First post of first sticky in PCT************

PCT should only begin when the body is in an environment to stimulate LH and FSH secretion. In the case of testosterone this environment is achieved once TT begins to dip below pre cycle TT levels. Therefore not only to judge when pct has been successful but also to determine when pct should begin Pre-cycle blood levels should be taken.

How do we determine when TT levels fall below baseline aside from experiencing side effects or getting blood drawn every week?

As we know TT is directly related with the amount of exogenous testosterone we administer. In TRT studies it is generally excepted that a 100mg shot of testosterone enanthate/cyp will put blood levels at around 800-900ng/dl.
We can thus use this conversion with decent accuracy to judge at what mg TT levels will fall below baseline. (The conversion ratio somewhat lessens as doses increase therefore we should air on the side of caution when determining the optimal test mg target)

For example if pre-cycle levels are 500ng/dl then PCT should only begin when exogenous test falls to roughly 50mg. This will put TT in the 400-500ng/dl range and thus in a state where HPTA stimulation of FSH and LH release begins to become possible.

Now that we understand how to determine optimal Mg range of ex Test for HPTA restoration we must now find the length of time required to reach said levels after the last injection. To do this we must first understand Half lives of the varying esters and the variation they can have with each individual's physiology. Some users metabolize AAS more quickly or more slowly than others therefore we can only identify an average. Ill give one practical example of the commonly used ester Enanthate.

Enanthate has a half life of 5 days +/- 2.5 days (I will use a 7 day calculation to air on the side of caution)

A 12wk cycle of test e at 500mg per week will put ex Test at around 1000mg
(500mg+250+125+62.5+31.25 etc = 1000mg)

This means it will take 5 half lives to reach ex test at or below 50mg therefore time between last injection and start of PCT is 35 days.

It would be worthwhile to determine your own metabolization rate by taking a blood test after the 4th AVERAGE half life has passed. (In this case it would be at 20 days) Based on TT levels at this point you can determine YOUR half life.

Now that we understand how to accurately calculate a PCT start date based on our own physiology, what should an effective pct consist of?

hcg may be used during cycle and is consider to be a better option by many. There is a bill Roberts article that you may refer to on the subject. He suggests 500iu EOD throughout the cycle. If you did not use HCG during your cycle, here is a variation of Dr. Scally's PCT protocol for AAS users (his experience and expertise speaks for itself)

HCG 2000iu E3D for 14 days before pct start date

PCT start

1-35 clomiphene 50mg morning and night
1-45 tamoxifen 20mg morning and night

1-45 low dose of exemestane 12.5mg E3D (Optional)

The combination of clomid and nolva has been shown to provide better results than when compared alone. Clomid has a slightly different MOA than Nolva And Torem if you must use Torem in your PCT it should be a substitute for Nolva not Clomid. An equivalent dose of Torem for 40mg Nolva would be 120mg.

This PCT will give you the best chance at achieving and maintaining pre cycle TT levels rapidly after cessation of treatment for all AAS cycles under 25 weeks of suppression. PCT requirements vary depending on the user and mainly length of shutdown.

Post pct bloods should be taken approximately 2-3 weeks after cessation of treatment to ensure restoration has been achieved without further aid from SERM's. If restoration has not been achieved restart this PCT or better yet, CONSULT A PHYSICIAN!

Switching To Short Chain Esters

A largely overlooked factor that can greatly aid in maintaining gains, reducing HPTA shutdown length or extending a cycle without lengthening HPTA shutdown is switching from Long ester AAS to short ester AAS toward the end of the cycle. When done correctly this reduces the amount of time that users must wait to start PCT and/or increases the amount of time TT levels stay supra-physiological.

Here is a practical example of how to perform a switch to Test P from a regular 12 week cycle of Test E allowing us to extend it to 16 weeks. (In both cases length of shutdown is still 17 weeks)

First we must calculate our pct start date. For this example we will be using 750mg test e a week. With Ex test at about 1500 5 half lives have to pass to reach below 50mg. A PCT start date of 35 days is again warranted. Therefore we will start test p injections 35 days or 5 weeks before the end of the cycle.

Week 1-11 Test e 750mg
Week 13 Test p 400mg
Week 14 Test p 600mg
Week 15-16 Test p 700mg

Test p half life 2 days +/- 18hours (I will use a 2.5 day calculation)

PCT start 7 days

Tapering the test p injections upward in this fashion will ensure that TT levels do not spike dramatically when the shorter more quickly metabolized half life is introduced.

As we can see This will apply the same length of shutdown to the HPTA (17 weeks in both cases) but you will be able to extend the amount of time TT levels remain supra physiological.

Or if you would like you can use this method to shorten HPTA suppression length by removingthe extra weeks of injections and starting test p from weeks 8-12. (13 weeks of shutdowninstead of 17)
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Thanks, I’ve read that, that brings up another noob question, does anyone really wait 35 days to start their pct? When it comes to pct, the same basic info gets regurgitated repeatedly(which makes sense because it works pretty well)...however the most commonly regurgitated length of time to start pct for a long ester is about 2 weeks...I literally don’t think I’ve seen anyone say they are starting their pct after 35 days...it makes sense that the amount of time would vary from person to person and all that, but there is a huge difference between 14 days and 35 days....

So what’s your opinion on that? There are a lot of good sources of info out there and a lot of knowledgeable people out there, and that sticky is literally the only time, on any forum, I’ve seen “35 days”....so I’m curious what YOUR thoughts are on that..

(I’m not trying to be a dick or anything, just seeking best possible information is all)
 
waterbottle said:
Thanks, I’ve read that, that brings up another noob question, does anyone really wait 35 days to start their pct? When it comes to pct, the same basic info gets regurgitated repeatedly(which makes sense because it works pretty well)...however the most commonly regurgitated length of time to start pct for a long ester is about 2 weeks...I literally don’t think I’ve seen anyone say they are starting their pct after 35 days...it makes sense that the amount of time would vary from person to person and all that, but there is a huge difference between 14 days and 35 days....

So what’s your opinion on that? There are a lot of good sources of info out there and a lot of knowledgeable people out there, and that sticky is literally the only time, on any forum, I’ve seen “35 days”....so I’m curious what YOUR thoughts are on that..

(I’m not trying to be a dick or anything, just seeking best possible information is all)
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It all depends on what your running Deca for example will take alot more time than test to begin pct.
 
waterbottle said:
Thanks, I’ve read that, that brings up another noob question, does anyone really wait 35 days to start their pct? When it comes to pct, the same basic info gets regurgitated repeatedly(which makes sense because it works pretty well)...however the most commonly regurgitated length of time to start pct for a long ester is about 2 weeks...I literally don’t think I’ve seen anyone say they are starting their pct after 35 days...it makes sense that the amount of time would vary from person to person and all that, but there is a huge difference between 14 days and 35 days....

So what’s your opinion on that? There are a lot of good sources of info out there and a lot of knowledgeable people out there, and that sticky is literally the only time, on any forum, I’ve seen “35 days”....so I’m curious what YOUR thoughts are on that..

(I’m not trying to be a dick or anything, just seeking best possible information is all)
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Depends how big your doses were, how long it takes for levels to drop below natural levels, and what you were using. It's really hard to give a one size fits all answer, but yea for the standard 500 mg test cycle 2 weeks is probably close to what works for anyone.
 
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