Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic

[SunWukong]

has anyone had any orders in to Australia seized / intercepted by police or customs?

Obviously without wanting to compromise OpSec, I’d like to understand the safety / security of the Australia special line shipping and (to whatever extent is reasonable) how it works to assure that safety / security for the end recipient..

Just relax and it will arrive

 

[r.r.austrian]

Checking daily will make you lose your hair (if you have any left). If they say a day, give it a week. Et cetera. The important part is if the pack lands and it's good shit.

is more than 2 weeks ..

 

[Big_bowl0tren]

Only seller that has been reliable and on time! Best product, with better prices. If it weren't true, none of you would be here. And yes, there were issues, and they took care of it without a problem.

 

[Letits now]

Yeah. It is out of control.

It’s terrible. People will post detailed shipping info and locations of domestic warehouses and what the packaging looks like. And then there is the complaining on turnaround time. Tracy says it will be about a month and a week in they are spamming the feeds with questions on tracking and current status like they just ordered a downton abbey themed hemorrhoid cushion for next day delivery and it’s been a day and a half.

 

[QuantumCornerie]

** BEWARE **
This supplier mailed me a random package. They then proceeded to tell me to mail it to another address in the US or pay them for it. For one, it’s was peptides and raw powder, both of which I know nothing about or how to use them. For two, I have never mailed anything illegal from my home or postage office, have no experience on how to be safe doing that, etc. I simply discarded the stuff & it ended up getting thrown out whenever I moved apartments. Fast forwards 9 months, I make an order - they take the money ($110) & then say I can get my order whenever I pay them for the random package which was close to $1000 in value. Meso upgraded my account so I could post on here for others to beware of this scam. Attached are pics of the conversation with the rep that ripped me off.

I’ve witnessed first hand QSC doing this. QSC sent someone else’s pack then demanded it gets forwarded along with providing the other customers full name and home address. Wrong address = no reship, right Tracy? Guess I can’t order anymore either out of fear of being scammed like this.

 

[QuantumCornerie]

@biggerben69 Happy to provide entire conversation that happened and whatever else is needed as proof with when it happened to me. Just DM. I didn’t post my story out of fear of this exact thing.

 

[Sector]

I'm surprised I was able to address you directly about this situation. I shouldn't be surprised at the stance you've decided to take. You've bought into the hype many have posted about QSC. At the very least I'd have thought you would've taken a more diplomatic or middle of the road stance instead of digging your feet in while threatening members who don't jump to defend you.

I had predicted that your undoing would be another source that would come along with prices similar to yours but treat their clients with just a little bit of respect. They wouldn't belittle members who disagree with the way they handle customer service. I was incorrect.

I've been busy with some things the last 24 to 48 hours and missed the post made by @JustToReview made with the screenshots with that all to familiar garbage attitude. Unreal.


I will temper my own desire let loose until I've checked out what's been alleged by this member. It doesn't look good for Mr QSC if this member's acct has been altered in order for him to post what he has. This would mean that Admin and owner have taken a look at the evidence and have decided that this member is being truthful in what he is claiming. If this all checks out, let me be the first to bid you a "Its been fun...." farewell.

I'm hoping members are sitting back to see where the chips fall before expressing their outrage at how a regular member is being treated by this source. Its outrageous.

To the "members".....that term is questionable at best when referring to those members actually attempting to spin this is any way to try and make this source appear reasonable in their stance....your not long for meso either. You'll have to limit your shilling to the QSC cesspool of a discord channel. You aren't welcome here any longer. You should be packing your shit right along with this source.

Members, let's clear our heads and get back to what meso is all about. Every once in a while a source shows up and for some reason...whether its prices that are so low we ignore what we believe and know to be wrong in order to justify our own behavior. We know we're wrong but really, what is being hurt?

That, or a source can load the deck with shills or a send complimentary products to a handful of semi respected members who agree to cast a positive light on them in an agreed # of posts in the first few weeks of their opening here. It tips the scales in the sources favor for a bit. Its up to the source to sink or swim after that initial push.

It appears that there isn't any excuse here. The attitude and nerve that QSC has displayed is atrocious and calls for their immediate dismissal from our board. The outright scamming/stealing of this members money, if its proven that this has happened, can only be remedied by QSC being tossed off of meso and the rest of the Community be made aware of their transgressions.

QSC may land on their feet at some shithole. But they will be exposed and known from this day on as thieves and scoundrels who will steal your money given the opportunity. The bank wire things with threats of stealing the money of anyone using a list of banned words was threatening to scam. What we're witnessing here now, is the outright scamming by a source that believes they play by their own set of rules...and if you don't agree with them you too, can get fucked. This last sentence could be the QSC Mission Statement. Let's go meso. This can't be swept under the rug. Their will be other bottom feeding sources selling for cheap. The member enduring this could be any one of us. Give them the support you would want and expect if you were the victim.

Hey, @JustToReview, I'm going to hit you up. I've seen similar situations in the past. I'm pretty well known around here and in the past I've been able to get members who have been stolen from what they've ordered from other sources willing to help out. Sure, its advertising that makes them look good and some may only do it hoping to get more sales from their good deeds, but to the members who had been ripped off it really helped them out.
Please get a list of what you are owed or out of so you can get it to me when I come calling. You'll be taken care of. I'm sorry this happened to you. You'll see how we can come together when this kind of thing happens. You will go from feeling alone in this thing to feeling good about how the Community can come to your aid when its warranted. Talk soon.

Amen dude.

I know if any other source were to do this there would be an absolute firestorm. This shouldn't be swept under the rug.

Stealing a member's money and basically asking them to commit a felony is just bad business practice.

 

[Ghoul]

Let's be real, this is an isolated incident.

Anyone who stops using QSC over this is illogical. There's years of proof that 99.9% of the time everything goes fine. The best prices, good customer service, excellent selection. That's UGL gold.

And all those paranoids wanting endless assurances about customs, not getting ripped off, fakes, details about security etc don't have the stomach for this and should find a wholesome hobby.

The fact is anything can happen with an UGL source at any moment and you must be prepared to lose some money eventually. Invariably things implode. That comes with the territory and you'd better accept it now.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[CFH016]

The fact is anything can happen with an UGL source at any moment and you must be prepared to lose some money eventually. Invariably things implode. That comes with the territory and you'd better accept it now.

It's hard to determine who this comment is directed towards. "You must be prepared to lose some money eventually"... is that to the guy who had his money taken from him when he made an order, after having a package shipped to him through no fault of his own? Or to the company who sent a package to the wrong address? Judging from the first 2 paragraphs of your comment, it seems like this is directed to the guy who had his money taken from him after making an order.

 

[Ghoul]

It's hard to determine who this comment is directed towards. "You must be prepared to lose some money eventually"... is that to the guy who had his money taken from him when he made an order, after having a package shipped to him through no fault of his own? Or to the company who sent a package to the wrong address? Judging from the first 2 paragraphs of your comment, it seems like this is directed to the guy who had his money taken from him after making an order.

It's not directed towards anyone in particular. All UGLs eventually shut down, usually abruptly, either intentionally or through no fault of their own. That's a fact and the nature of this scene. If you're lucky when it happens , in a week or 5 years from now, hopefully you don't have any outstanding orders.

If that reality is an unacceptable risk this isn't for you.

 

[DECLAN]

Let's be real, this is an isolated incident.

Anyone who stops using QSC over this is illogical. There's years of proof that 99.9% of the time everything goes fine. The best prices, good customer service, excellent selection. That's UGL gold.

And all those paranoids wanting endless assurances about customs, not getting ripped off, fakes, details about security etc don't have the stomach for this and should find a wholesome hobby.

The fact is anything can happen with an UGL source at any moment and you must be prepared to lose some money eventually. Invariably things implode. That comes with the territory and you'd better accept it now.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

Jesus, you can’t stop yourself injecting your opinion on everything here eh. If you’re ok to do the bidding of every source who mistakenly sent you items and be their bitch remailer thats you not every meso member here.

It’s new guys like you that suck these sources dicks that embolden them to do whatever they want and get away with it.

If by chance they send me your order of products to control your uncontrollable appetite for cakes and whatever you like, don’t expect me to resend it to you. It’s not because I am scared of LE or repercussions, its just because I am not anyone’s bitch, or I don’t masquerade as a drug dealer on my free time, understand?

Go become a know it all shill somewhere else geez.

 

[CFH016]

It's not directed towards anyone in particular. All UGLs eventually shut down, usually abruptly, either intentionally or through no fault of their own. That's a fact and the nature of this scene. If you're lucky when it happens , in a week or 5 years from now, hopefully you don't have any outstanding orders.

If that reality is an unacceptable risk this isn't for you.

I feel like this is deflecting from the issue. You're correct, anyone who has been doing this long enough has had that happen to them. It's part of the game. If a source goes under or gets pinched and people lose their money from unfulfilled orders, that's a risk we all have to take. If a source performs an exit scam and disappears while taking everyone's money, people don't forget and they get caught when they try to resurface. I've seen that here multiple times also.

This situation is a bit more grey in my opinion. I can understand both sides of the story (from the info we've been given) and it's a shitty situation for both parties. But as you said "you must be prepared to lose money eventually", in this situation, who should be prepared? Should it be the company who made a mistake and could accept that there are losses in all businesses and to make sure it doesn't happen again? Or is it the guy who had something unexpected show up at his doorstep and is being put to the coals because he didn't feel comfortable sending it through the mail?

Personally I think they both fucked up in a way, and both could have handled it differently. I also think people are getting this a little mixed up with legitimate business. If this happened from a legal retailer they should be shit on like no tomorrow. But if I had something like this happen to me from a drug dealer, I sure as shit wouldn't be contacting them for anything after that because this isn't legal business. People are too caught up in how easy these transactions are going and forgetting that. But the whole point of this forum is for accountability and to protect the consumer, us, not the source. The only reason we have any bargaining power over not being victim to continuous scams is with this community, so we should be protecting our own. The less we protect each other here the more power we're giving to the sources to do what they want and make us pay for their mistakes.

 

[Ghoul]

Jesus, you can’t stop yourself injecting your opinion on everything here eh. If you’re ok to do the bidding of every source who mistakenly sent you items and be their bitch remailer thats you not every meso member here.

It’s new guys like you that suck these sources dicks that embolden them to do whatever they want and get away with it.

If by chance they send me your order of products to control your uncontrollable appetite for cakes and whatever you like, don’t expect me to resend it to you. It’s not because I am scared of LE or repercussions, its just because I am not anyone’s bitch, or I don’t masquerade as a drug dealer on my free time, understand?

Go become a know it all shill somewhere else geez.

LOL, who do you think you are, a self appointed moderator? I said QSC shouldn't have kept the money but your reading comprehension is unsurprisingly low.

I'll keep expressing my opinion and you can suck my dick while saving for your next $50 order.

You want to drive QSC off Meso over this minor bullshit? You're a short sighted retard and have no comprehension of context or proportion.

 

[DECLAN]

I feel like this is deflecting from the issue. You're correct, anyone who has been doing this long enough has had that happen to them. It's part of the game. If a source goes under or gets pinched and people lose their money from unfulfilled orders, that's a risk we all have to take. If a source performs an exit scam and disappears while taking everyone's money, people don't forget and they get caught when they try to resurface. I've seen that here multiple times also.

This situation is a bit more grey in my opinion. I can understand both sides of the story (from the info we've been given) and it's a shitty situation for both parties. But as you said "you must be prepared to lose money eventually", in this situation, who should be prepared? Should it be the company who made a mistake and could accept that there are losses in all businesses and to make sure it doesn't happen again? Or is it the guy who had something unexpected show up at his doorstep and is being put to the coals because he didn't feel comfortable sending it through the mail?

Personally I think they both fucked up in a way, and both could have handled it differently. I also think people are getting this a little mixed up with legitimate business. If this happened from a legal retailer they should be shit on like no tomorrow. But if I had something like this happen to me from a drug dealer, I sure as shit wouldn't be contacting them for anything after that because this isn't legal business. People are too caught up in how easy these transactions are going and forgetting that. But the whole point of this forum is for accountability and to protect the consumer, us, not the source. The only reason we have any bargaining power over not being victim to continuous scams is with this community, so we should be protecting our own. The less we protect each other here the more power we're giving to the sources to do what they want and make us pay for their mistakes.

Exactly, people especially newbies to this game forget these forums were made for the members not for sources to peddle their products.

Of course, it’s great for them to have presence here to answer questions and address issues but recently, they have established standards that divides the community.

We should not forget that these sources come and go, no need to protect them or even cater to their whims. They’re one step away from getting shut down by their or your government depending on the political situation.

Let’s go back to our roots of harm reduction and stick with each other, let us not stray away from what brought us all here anyway, bodybuilding and our love for lifting iron.

 

[DECLAN]

LOL, who do you think you are, a self appointed moderator? I said QSC shouldn't have kept the money but your reading comprehension is unsurprisingly low.

I'll keep expressing my opinion and you can suck my dick while saving for your next $50 order.

You want to drive QSC off Meso over this minor bullshit? You're a short sighted retard and have no comprehension of context or proportion.

No, I want your shilling source kissing fat ass to stop sucking sources dicks and spend more time meal prepping instead.

Better work on that comprehension you’re talking about and go back to reddit. You can shill for qsc all you want there.

 

[Country Club Hero]

Old guy here (I guess), don't be afraid of crypto, not hard to get your head around once you take a little time. Plus QSC have several other payment options.

Contact via the email address or WhatsApp, ask for newest list and it will have payment options on it.

It’s the WhatsApp I’m slightly intimidated to navigate. I’ve mastered the crypto sending by now lol. But ty for the WhatsApp advice.

 

[egruberman]

This board should BACK MEMBERS

Why? A significant portion of the members are idiots

Let’s go back to our roots of harm reduction and stick with each other, let us not stray away from what brought us all here anyway, bodybuilding and our love for lifting iron.

Harm reduction you say? Awesome. This particular UGL moves a great deal of product that undergoes a great deal of scrutiny, does third party testing on every product and has plenty of blind testing from the community to back up those results. From my perspective this is ideal from a harm reduction perspective. No other UGL that I know of does the same regardless of cost.

With that in mind I don't give a fuck if some idiot couldn’t be bothered to communicate with a vendor that sent something to them in error. By his own admission, he sat on it, discarded it and in doing so fucked up the relationship with the vendor and then pretended it never happened and ordered again.

I couldn’t give a fuck about members that can’t figure out crypto nor do I give a fuck about idiots that put “ILLEGAL DRUGS” in the notes of their bank transfers. Some folks are incompetent and this ain’t supposed to be easy. Probably, they ought to find a friend that is competent to help them out.

 

[DECLAN]

Why? A significant portion of the members are idiots


Harm reduction you say? Awesome, from my perspective this particular UGL moves a great deal of product that undergoes a great deal of scrutiny, does third party testing on every product and has plenty of blind testing from the community to back up those results. From my perspective this is ideal from a harm reduction perspective. No other UGL that I know of does the same regardless of cost.

With that in mind I couldn’t give a fuck if some idiot couldn’t be bothered to communicate with a vendor that sent something to them in error. By his own admission, he sat on it, discarded it and in doing so fucked up the relationship with the vendor and then pretended it never happened and ordered again.

I couldn’t give a fuck about members that can’t figure out crypto nor do I give a fuck about idiots that put “ILLEGAL DRUGS” in the notes of their bank transfers. Some folks are incompetent and this ain’t supposed to be easy. Probably, they ought to find a friend that is competent to help them out.

It’s the principle, plain and simple. Do you remember the time when QSC isn’t too keen on product testing? They didn’t do it because they want you to be safe, they did it after vets badgered them and demanded for it, even then it was still a struggle. What pushed them to do so a year or so ago, was that it boosts sales to have those jano tests next to your products.

What was rare before is now a requirement in order to be competitive. People forget that, or they haven’t been in this game long enough.

We as a community call out shit this vendors pull to keep them honest so the younger generation won’t have to be at the mercy of the sources like we experienced decades ago.

I am not being a white knight or some hero, it’s not my money or personal business, but I am trying to keep alive what the oldies of this board fought to gain and maintain. Unless we want to turn Meso into a source board then that is on us.

To reduce harm to your pocket and personal freedom is still harm reduction.

As for dumb members and their shenanigans, that is a separate issue and I think they got called out and shamed for it already.

 

[Arach]

Man I like QSC, I hope that this whole incident gets solved and everything’s settled. But giving out customers info and asking to forward it is crazy

 

[happyneuliving]

Confirmed payment on Saturday, received tracking on Tuesday, received package on Thursday.... I love potassium, I don't like cramps!