Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic

[egruberman]

if their stuff harmed someone they wouldnt give 2 shits.

This is where you're mistaken. If their stuff harmed someone, it would harm their business. It is not hard nor particularly costly to follow basic sterility procedures and ship sterile gear, especially at the scale at which they're operating.

That scale also represents a tremendous loss of business if it could be proven that they were responsible for something so onerous.

In that sense, I have more faith in QSC than I do for my high school drug dealer. That guy was a fucking idiot, and as a business, I would expect QSC to act in a coldly rational way. If the incentives are aligned, and they seem to be, then I know where my money is going to go.

My problem with @readalot aside from being a whiny twat is that he has made zero effort to articulate the risk that might exist nor which particular tests might be used to mitigate that risk. It's a bugaboo, and I for one, don't give a shit, not because I don't care about harm reduction, but because Tracy made a point. There are so many touch points along the way between manufacture and injection that the testing would be no guarantee.

 

[Middus]

This is where you're mistaken. If their stuff harmed someone, it would harm their business. It is not hard nor particularly costly to follow basic sterility procedures and ship sterile gear, especially at the scale at which they're operating.

That scale also represents a tremendous loss of business if it could be proven that they were responsible for something so onerous.

In that sense, I have more faith in QSC than I do for my high school drug dealer. That guy was a fucking idiot, and as a business, I would expect QSC to act in a coldly rational way. If the incentives are aligned, and they seem to be, then I know where my money is going to go.

My problem with @readalot aside from being a whiny twat is that he has made zero effort to articulate the risk that might exist nor which particular tests might be used to mitigate that risk. It's a bugaboo, and I for one, don't give a shit, not because I don't care about harm reduction, but because Tracy made a point. There are so many touch points along the way between manufacture and injection that the testing would be no guarantee.

That's Tracy though. Noting is a guarantee. Promises, Test results, cap colors, response times, shipping times, nothing is a guarantee. The only thing left is for a guarantee not to be a guarantee.

 

[iris]

My problem with @readalot aside from being a whiny twat is that he has made zero effort to articulate the risk that might exist nor which particular tests might be used to mitigate that risk. It's a bugaboo, and I for one, don't give a shit, not because I don't care about harm reduction, There are so many touch points along the way between manufacture and injection that the testing would be no guarantee.

The point he is talking about is to ensure serility at production.

If you wipe your ass, not wash your hands singing "happy birthday" and go inject a bit of your own poo bacteria in you, it's your doing and your problem.
But that is your responsibility, not QSC's.
Your response to this epitomises the thinking of the vast majority of Qsc's customers.
I agree with UncleBuns that Readalot should focus his efforts somewhere else, as the discourse would just be in vain, here.

 

[HotPepper]

@Qingdao Sigma Chemicals
Can you please spread this info in your team. Because some gear is already sold.

The sales of oils are in general fast, our stocks are high, but if it happens that a product sells out during the promo, you can either switch to other item, get it credited, or wait for new batch to be produced (it can take up to 7-14 days), no refund options, and no complaints allowed.

 

[Here2Learn]

So I guess whatsapp just conveniently banned my device/number right after messaging QSC with two orders.

Weird timing.

So if that happens to anyone just request a review.
Got a reply back after requesting.
“We accidentally banned your account for violation of policy/terms”

weird it said accidentally.

I found out I was getting banned because I had the feature to be added to groups by others. I was getting added to spam groups and they would shut down my account. Turned it off and hasn’t happened again

 

[egruberman]

I doubt you want to get into this with me, but if you think this is true:

Your response to this epitomises the thinking of the vast majority of Qsc's customers.

I question your judgement.

The point he is talking about is to ensure serility at production.

I get his point and I made mine, which is that first of all, I am 99% confident that production is done under sterile conditions. Doing so is not costly, and to do otherwise would put their business in jeopardy. There is no "guarantee" that I would trust more than them having their incentives properly aligned.

Even if there were testing, there'd have to be provenance for each batch of raws that went into each batch of finished oils that ended up in each batch of vials and then there would have to be traceability all the way back to offer up even a modicum of reassurance. As I'm sure you can understand, that's going to be very difficult given the need to pass through customs. That provenance would be a liability in and of itself and offer little beyond what we already know, which is that of the thousands and thousands of customers that have used QSC oils, none have reported any infections.

Given that lack of provenance and the extraordinary difficulty to achieve a reasonable level of assurance from the vendor, the onus to guarantee sterility falls on the consumer of these illegally imported drugs. I filter my gear, not because I am overly concerned, as I said, incentives are properly aligned, but because it's cheap insurance. What the whiny twat is asking for isn't particularly cheap, nor particularly insurance.

 

[iris]

I doubt you want to get into this with me, but if you think this is true:



I question your judgement.

I don't want to "get into" anything with you.
What i wrote was not judgemental.
It merely stated the fact that most people here regard this issue in the same way.

 

[egruberman]

I don't want to "get into" anything with you.
What i wrote was not judgemental.

Bullshit.

Your response to this epitomises the thinking of the vast majority of Qsc's customers.

You generalized my perspective. That's both insulting and judgemental. If you didn't want to get into this with me, you shouldn't have questioned my reasoning in that way.

 

[iris]

Bullshit.



You generalized my perspective. That's both insulting and judgemental. If you didn't want to get into this with me, you shouldn't have questioned my reasoning in that way.

No problem

 

[PissedPajamas]

Fuck this. Makes the promo not worth it

 

[graciebjj]

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That's something on your end or the end of your exchange. TXN fees are ~$1 right now per mempool.

 

[bjjgear]

That's something on your end or the end of your exchange. TXN fees are ~$1 right now per mempool.

It's climbing... sometimes I hate BTC.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Fuck this. Makes the promo not worth itView attachment 299188

Learn to USDC homie

 

[bubba618]

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Pay in USDC or USDT on Etherium and you won't have that problem.

 

[SpicyMeatball]

ya its not like these guys are their long time high school buddies selling weed and acid. i can see sticking up for your old high school buddy who sells you your self prescribed "meds" but that mentality just shouldnt exist with these chinese sources. if their stuff harmed someone they wouldnt give 2 shits. if your old high school buddy sold you fent laced benzos and you died, he in fact would prob be devastated and actually mourn your passing lol.



thats the trick, we need to show that there is a need for this testing, not just "theoretically" a need exists because pharma is brewed under xxx conditions in said GMP facility.

I personally have had a hospitalization and surgical procedure done in my glute from a massive infection incurred by UGL well over a decade ago. this was US domestic UGL, who the hell knows how it was brewed. but ive heard countless stories of hospitalization from infection on UGL oils. im sure there are many reasons why these stories never make their way to these boards. this is just anecdotal though, and without solid proof this is all just vaporware for theorizing added expenditures to a source that sees no benefit to this type of testing.

Some of us arent sticking up for Tracy, we are pushing back on people whose expectations are misaligned with reality. It’s the same as the people who expect Amazon prime shipping from a discount overseas ugl dealer — sorry, that’s simply now how it works and you are being a little princess when you pout about it.

 

[thecmorgan]

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who are you using for this?

 

[bighunanballs]

This is where you're mistaken. If their stuff harmed someone, it would harm their business. It is not hard nor particularly costly to follow basic sterility procedures and ship sterile gear, especially at the scale at which they're operating.

That scale also represents a tremendous loss of business if it could be proven that they were responsible for something so onerous.

In that sense, I have more faith in QSC than I do for my high school drug dealer. That guy was a fucking idiot, and as a business, I would expect QSC to act in a coldly rational way. If the incentives are aligned, and they seem to be, then I know where my money is going to go.

My problem with @readalot aside from being a whiny twat is that he has made zero effort to articulate the risk that might exist nor which particular tests might be used to mitigate that risk. It's a bugaboo, and I for one, don't give a shit, not because I don't care about harm reduction, but because Tracy made a point. There are so many touch points along the way between manufacture and injection that the testing would be no guarantee.

point taken since i do believe the free market would eat them up if we saw many reports of QSC gear harming people. from business standpoint it just doesnt make sense to produce gear thats not sterile. however we have seen quite a bit of oils tainted with filter media filbers and what appears to be mold around the stopper/rim of the vial. luckily most folks arent dumb enough to inject gear with clearly visible shit floating around in it. those filter media fibers will 100% cause internal inflammation and fester into an infection if injected.

 

[DECLAN]

That's Tracy though. Noting is a guarantee. Promises, Test results, cap colors, response times, shipping times, nothing is a guarantee. The only thing left is for a guarantee not to be a guarantee.

That’s why I am always telling people to control the sources with their cash. We can talk harm reduction this, test this test that but if business continues as usual then why would these vendors change.

The only way you can see actual change is loss of revenue, for example if Meso members stop ordering for a month, it will cause a ripple even Tracy would feel and would be forced to address some demands.

Just imagine if we can act as one and just boycott sources until they change for the better.

 

[graciebjj]

It's climbing... sometimes I hate BTC.

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Yeah but they vary significantly day by day, often hour by hour. Been some big spikes last few days but as of this very moment they're cheap:

$50 to send coin right now means either a ton of broken up coins or his exchange is fucking him. Betting on the latter

 

[bighunanballs]

Some of us arent sticking up for Tracy, we are pushing back on people whose expectations are misaligned with reality. It’s the same as the people who expect Amazon prime shipping from a discount overseas ugl dealer — sorry, that’s simply now how it works and you are being a little princess when you pout about it.

to be fair there are at least 3 UGL chinese sources with 1000x better CS and shipping now than QSC. however not the same volume of testing... its a give and take in one form or another until we can mold a source or a few sources with blatant free market openness and cross reviewing of multiple sources to up the game. those expectations are misaligned because you're dwelling on the fact we are dealing with black market PED's. the same shit happens in the cannabis industry but now we literally have 100s of growers and resources that all operate with insanely high levels of CS liken to amazon prime at rock bottom prices... we didnt get there by simply allowing black market pot growers and suppliers to continually fuck us and say "well higher standards are simply not realistic for illegal marijuana".