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Anabolic Steroids
I dont want anything, i just ask some questions because i'm curious.
mate this is fascinating - thank you for sharing. Do you place the 200mg under your tongue? May I ask if you have any concerns about aromatisation/how you address it? If I am calculating correctly you are taking around 4grams of test per week, which sounds like alot, although I know we cannot really compare it with, say, test cyp. What does your current regimen of PED look like?
Not orally unless you figure out a way to protect it on 1st pass through gut.
I am definitely not ruling out the placebo effect, but my workout was fkn fantastic. Strength was up at about the level I’d normally expect on 50gm tbol, mentally dialed in like anavar. I really enjoyed it. I think I’ll titrate up a bit, but can’t see myself getting up to that level mate. Can I please ask if you find there’s any big AI issues that pop up doing this as a preworkout option? Certainly seems a bit safer than some of the hepatotoxic stuff I normally use (anadrol is my favourite compound - feels like tren ace in a tablet for me). Thank you so much for your input on this brother
Sry mate - I did mean E2. This is a pretty cool way to get a bit of a pwo boost then, I think. Can I ask if you have any thoughts on putting, say, 100mg under the tongue pwo? I’m asking specifically about the administration route - it is a very inexact science putting it there since it’s impossible to know with any real precision how much is simply swallowed. If I am understanding correctly, the bioavailability is significantly better under the tongue vs through the stomach. Apologies for annoying you on this but I can see from your profile that you’re a veteran around here so I’m very appreciative that I have your ear!
debatable
if by "massive" you mean used by comparably nobody? sure i guess.
not more stable than injection, and lets just ignore the smeared mess, skin irritation, slow absorption rate, and transmission risk.
jesus christ are you fucking cringe.You've just been vetted, enjoy
Apologies dude. You said “blasting TNE…” so I took that to mean injecting. Not trying to sh!t all over your transdermal application routine at all. I’m rather intrigued by it actually.
Thanks for the @ mention so I can double-check ya' if needed (as in this case)! So, I posted this:
thinksteroids.com
Yes, they are the same thing.
I already completed that mission:
Thank you for correcting me. It had been quite a while since reading it. Bookmarked now.Thanks for the @ mention so I can double-check ya' if needed (as in this case)! So, I posted this:
The Myth of Testosterone Suspension (aqueous; or in oil [TNE], testosterone base) & Uncontrollable Estrogenicity (Increased E2) [Author: Type-IIx]
The matter of testosterone base (as aqueous, water-based; or in oil vehicle, as Testosterone No Ester [TNE]) and changes to estradiol (E2) is one of much confusion. In fact, before the availability of AI & SERM drugs, besides compound selection strategies aimed at moderate testosterone dosing &...
Test, mg/mg, whether with or without esterification, forms E2 as a function of aromatase pharmacodynamics. After a single 200 mg testosterone enanthate i.m. injection E2 peaks 1 day/24 h later and stays elevated for a few days (5 or 6?).
The same is basically true for 200 mg testosterone base (aqueous ["suspension"] or oil vehicle [TNE]).
In the real world, while injecting on a regular administration schedule, the differences between base hormone (e.g., TNE, suspension) vs. esterified prodrug (e.g., enanthate, cypionate) basically disappear, and with respect to E2, become virtually indistinguishable. This is so because :
I. Testosterone pharmacokinetics don't differ that much between the two, and
II. Aromatase:
(a) is a metabolic step that is rate-limiting meaning that the aromatase reactions are the "choke point" for E2 levels in men
(b) is saturable, meaning that above an asymptote, further increases in Test dose don't significantly increase E2.
The quasi-article above was intended simply to show that the two are virtually indistinguishable (TNE/suspension) is not any more estrogen-spiking than testosterone esterified.
Indeed, the base is preferable closer to a show, if not because of reduced "bloat" then because it could be removed rapidly and the aromatic potency would basically crater to nil after a couple days cessation, unlike prodrug preparations, esterified.
Yes, they are the same thing.
TNE generally refers to testosterone base in oil vehicle.
Testosterone suspension generally refers to testosterone base in water vehicle.
Administering TNE orally would be terribly wasteful because it's not bioavailable. Even with the long-acting undecanoate ester, one would have to ingest ~ 40 mg every 1 - 3 h to satisfactorily replace endogenous T (true TRT).
