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[Happycamper]

Yes for the var she is taking 5 mg am 5 mg pm

Ok...I'm not talking AAS abuser doses. I'm talking recommended, legal, studied, healthy dose of oxandrolone - this 2.5mg for a female.

An AAS user will use much, much more than that, hence the stress on the body in the initial stages.

Is this her first cycle? Why isn't she tapering up to her dose?

 

[wedorecover]

Oh gottcha yes it is her first but the pills are so small kinda hard to do 2.5 he said she feels great just the throat thing

Ok...I'm not talking AAS abuser doses. I'm talking recommended, legal, studied, healthy dose of oxandrolone - this 2.5mg for a female.

An AAS user will use much, much more than that, hence the stress on the body in the initial stages.

Is this her first cycle? Why isn't she tapering up to her dose?

got

 

[Happycamper]

Oh gottcha yes it is her first but the pills are so small kinda hard to do 2.5 he said she feels great just the throat thing

got

Sorry, but 'hard to cut' sounds a bit lazy. This is drug use...not cooking.

If you're going to take shortcuts, she's going to feel like crap.

 

[Devika]

I'm not talking AAS abuser doses

I would say AAS ABUSER doses.
10 mgs a day isn't abusing oxandrolone.
Merely an AAS USER dose... 10 mgs is the norm for females.

OP, she may be experiencing what many refer to as "test flu".
It’s the intercorelation between the immune system and endocrine. If you overload one then the other responds unfavorably. It’s the body’s auto immune response to the foreign substance that has entered the body and caused an influx of hormones.
Usually takes a week or so to clear.

 

[wedorecover]

Sorry, but 'hard to cut' sounds a bit lazy. This is drug use...not cooking.

If you're going to take shortcuts, she's going to feel like crap.

I think 10 mg is Reasonable and not overdoing it
Nobody is being lazy also she donesnt feel bad she feels great just throat hurts a little

 

[Happycamper]

I would say AAS ABUSER doses.
10 mgs a day isn't abusing oxandrolone.
Merely an AAS USER dose... 10 mgs is the norm for females.

Typically anyone who takes more than the pharmaceutical recommended dose and taking it for purposes other than what it is intended for is 'abusing' the drug. This isn't a judgement of the person and therefore not personal, just verbiage.

We are all drug 'abusers' here. Not a judgement, just a literal use of the phrase.

 

[Wendylifts]

Most of us here also have just completed our first cycle(s) and by no means are experts. Everything is anecdotal at best. We can offer our own experiences, opinions and recite what we've read online from our own research which may be helpful but is by no means evidence. I don't mean to be unhelpful with this post, but also don't want you to think you're talking to a bunch of seasoned professionals.

 

[Sampei]

I'm a man (last time I checked) but I can get the same thing sometime on cycle. It's like a pain in your throat. You go to bed fine and you wake up
And you feel like there is something there and it hurts whole swallowing or even if you put pressure on the area.

For me it goes away in one two days and most of the time is just that I have got cold after the gym or during the night while sleeping (I feel warm All day long so I sleep without anything to cover me or I find myself sweating all night, but when you sleep body temperature decrease and you then get cold easily if you don't anything on you). I don't think it's AAS related but you never know....

After my first cycle I got a paralysed vocal chord that lasted 3 months and the doctor didn't know what the fuck was going on. Casualty? Sure probably wasn't nothing related to AAS but you never know. It's always a gamble when you play with your endocrine system.

 

[Happycamper]

Most of us here also have just completed our first cycle(s) and by no means are experts. Everything is anecdotal at best. We can offer our own experiences, opinions and recite what we've read online from our own research which may be helpful but is by no means evidence. I don't mean to be unhelpful with this post, but also don't want you to think you're talking to a bunch of seasoned professionals.

All the more important for the person to be conservative in the beginning with doses and watch for sides. They are running their own experiment, so to speak.

 

[Happycamper]

After my first cycle I got a paralysed vocal chord that lasted 3 months and the doctor didn't know what the fuck was going on. Casualty? Sure probably wasn't nothing related to AAS but you never know. It's always a gamble when you play with your endocrine system.

I have an abnormality with my vocal chords right now too, post cycle. My voice isn't deeper or raspy, just strained at times.

 

[Sampei]

I have an abnormality with my vocal chords right now too, post cycle. My voice isn't deeper or raspy, just strained at times.

Mine was completely gone. I couldn't talk loud, screaming was impossible, my volume was like when you talk super low during the night when you are 10
And don't want your parents to
Hear you, just as an example, can't say it in any other way.

It was fucked up. They thought it could be mononucleosis, or some
Kind of a tumor, or whatever. So started doing all the analysis and eco, mri etc. To bad when I went for the mri the problem was disappeared. They found nothing. Now I talk as I always did and no one would ever said I had that problem.

Sometime it's a mystery, we are playing the happy alchemist with one of the most complex machine. We should always be prepared to strange side effects.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

We are all drug 'abusers' here. Not a judgement, just a literal use of the phrase.

I disagree. We are "using" medicines to achieve specific goals. Physicians also use medicines to achieve specific goals. Who's to say the former is "abuse" because it isn't officially sanctioned, but the latter is "use" because it is?

The argument is obviously philosophical but one where reasonable people can disagree.

 

[Happycamper]

I disagree. We are "using" medicines to achieve specific goals. Physicians also use medicines to achieve specific goals. Who's to say the former is "abuse" because it isn't officially sanctioned, but the latter is "use" because it is?

The argument is obviously philosophical but one where reasonable people can disagree.

Abuse synonyms are 'misuse' or 'misapply' - no matter whether it is doctors or laypeople, the substances here are being 'misapplied' or 'abused'. That is not to say the intentions are nefarious, just that they are being used for purposes other than their intended application and at doses that are risky to our health.

The philosophical argument can be applied to the connotation of the word 'abuse', but we are literally abusing a substance.

Personally, I don't have a negative connotation of the phrase as it is applied here as I would 'child abuse', for instance...but I've been a 'substance abuser' all my life to small degrees. That is to say drinking to get drunk, smoking weed to get high, dropping E at a rave, using caffeine in copious amounts, using AIDS drugs to get sexy strong etc. None of which, to me, are bad things. Definitely substance abuse though.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Abuse synonyms are 'misuse' or 'misapply' - no matter whether it is doctors or laypeople, the substances here are being 'misapplied' or 'abused'.

Still disagree. Anabolic steroids were developed for their potential to build tissue. That's why Physicians "apply" or use them for cachexia; that's why we "apply" or use them to build muscle.

It would be irrational to suggest that steroids are being applied properly when physicians want to build tissue but applied improperly when bodybuilders want to build tissue. In both instances, the medicine is being used for its intended purpose.

That is to say drinking to get drunk, smoking weed to get high, dropping E at a rave, using caffeine in copious amounts, using AIDS drugs to get sexy strong etc. None of which, to me, are bad things. Definitely substance abuse

That's the point: alcohol's intended purpose is to induce intoxication. Same with marijuana and E. All of which can be used or applied for their intended purpose of inducing intoxication without being abused. The line where use becomes misuse is a matter of degree, however it's essentially undefinable.

 

[Happycamper]

Still disagree. Anabolic steroids were developed for their potential to build tissue. That's why Physicians "apply" or use them for cachexia; that's why we "apply" or use them to build muscle.

It would be irrational to suggest that steroids are being applied properly when physicians want to build tissue but applied improperly when bodybuilders want to build tissue. In both instances, the medicine is being used for its intended purpose.



That's the point: alcohol's intended purpose is to induce intoxication. Same with marijuana and E. All of which can be used or applied for their intended purpose of inducing intoxication without being abused. The line where use becomes misuse is a matter of degree, however it's essentially undefinable.

Point taken and agreed in context; however, I still see it as substance abuse because I'm playing a risk game with the dosage, duration of use, and even the purchase of the substance not being pharm grade, etc. Anyway, I am arguing literal use of language against contextual, and contextual will make more sense.

My favorite french lyric: le context est plus fort que le concept

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

My favorite french lyric: le context est plus fort que le concept

Il n'y a pas de hors-texte.

--Jacques Derrida

 

[Devika]

Il n'y a pas de hors-texte.

--Jacques Derrida

Love this!

 

[wedorecover]

Love this!

How long tell you started to notice the var working

 

[Wendylifts]

About 4-5 weeks after the beginning of the abuse. Didn't change the oil....used shitty gas....

 

[wedorecover]

About 4-5 weeks after the beginning of the abuse. Didn't change the oil....used shitty gas....

lol I didn't notice that how long did u run it for