AlexDavis43
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Many of the studies are at least partially funded by pharma and it is disclosed on the manuscripts.
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Rant: UGL made Clen is all garbage!
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Many of the studies are at least partially funded by pharma and it is disclosed on the manuscripts.
iris
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I came across this, a while ago:
This is a video of some of the article:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxptEX6LyHg
And this:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QLvzCr6nz4
Yes, the first article is talking about small studies and other fields, not about weight loss drugs.
No, I am not into conspiracy theories.
But hearing about this made me question clinical research and they way it may be conducted, a little.
It had never dawned on me that things may not be as transparent as they are presented to me, with regards to this kind of thing.
My natural reaction is to trust and believe.
And that is why, IRL, 9 times out 10 I am disappointed by people, eventually.
Unfortunately, it is in my character to never assume that someone is lying or pretending. Why would they?
I will take it all at face value and go with it.
Sometimes, down the line, something may push me to say "ok but what if".
And this is one of those things, where I trust what I am told but, at the same time, there is something that makes me put a little question mark, there.
If you want to call this irrational, silly and unsubstantiated, I accept that.
Yes, many others appear to have no affiliations or interests.
But, for example, if researchers involved in a clinical trial are not paid by the company but have bought into the company that makes the drugs they are researching, are they going to disclose that this is the case? Is it possible that this may influence the way the data is analysed, for example, as they have interest in the company’s financial performance?
Maybe this is far-fetched and irrelevant, in the greater scheme of things.
But with so much money behind it all, and these drugs now being touted as a cure for so many ills (when I am being told here that they have been around for 30 years), sometimes I feel like playing devil's advocate.
I have learnt you don't like the feelz, in this place, and that's all good.
And yes, I have read a few of the studies that have been referenced here by so many people (first and foremost, the in house GLPS pin up Ghoul). For that, I am thankful.
However, I am not going to pretend that I support something when it is not really the case, yet.
Until I make my mind up about this, I won't mention it again, otherwise it's just idiotic.
Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise? - The BMJ
Health research is based on trust. Health professionals and journal editors reading the results of a clinical trial assume that the trial happened and that the results were honestly reported. [...]More...
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This is a video of some of the article:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxptEX6LyHg
And this:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QLvzCr6nz4
Yes, the first article is talking about small studies and other fields, not about weight loss drugs.
No, I am not into conspiracy theories.
But hearing about this made me question clinical research and they way it may be conducted, a little.
It had never dawned on me that things may not be as transparent as they are presented to me, with regards to this kind of thing.
My natural reaction is to trust and believe.
And that is why, IRL, 9 times out 10 I am disappointed by people, eventually.
Unfortunately, it is in my character to never assume that someone is lying or pretending. Why would they?
I will take it all at face value and go with it.
Sometimes, down the line, something may push me to say "ok but what if".
And this is one of those things, where I trust what I am told but, at the same time, there is something that makes me put a little question mark, there.
If you want to call this irrational, silly and unsubstantiated, I accept that.
Yes, many others appear to have no affiliations or interests.
But, for example, if researchers involved in a clinical trial are not paid by the company but have bought into the company that makes the drugs they are researching, are they going to disclose that this is the case? Is it possible that this may influence the way the data is analysed, for example, as they have interest in the company’s financial performance?
Maybe this is far-fetched and irrelevant, in the greater scheme of things.
But with so much money behind it all, and these drugs now being touted as a cure for so many ills (when I am being told here that they have been around for 30 years), sometimes I feel like playing devil's advocate.
I have learnt you don't like the feelz, in this place, and that's all good.
And yes, I have read a few of the studies that have been referenced here by so many people (first and foremost, the in house GLPS pin up Ghoul). For that, I am thankful.
However, I am not going to pretend that I support something when it is not really the case, yet.
Until I make my mind up about this, I won't mention it again, otherwise it's just idiotic.
Came across this thread and can confirm. A few years back when trying UGL Clen i got crazy sides, purely just sides honestly.
Now on pharma Clen as actual prescription from my Doc at 10mcg and my weight dropped basically by 3KGs in 5 days without doing anything different, soft jitters, higher heartrate but now a week after it seems like my body got used to it. Can breath well just no jitters whatsoever. Heartrate went back to normal as well and 0 issues. Sometimes i dont even know if i took it as i dont feel any sides, hope the fat burning process still keeps going but the difference compared to UGL Clen is crazy.
Now on pharma Clen as actual prescription from my Doc at 10mcg and my weight dropped basically by 3KGs in 5 days without doing anything different, soft jitters, higher heartrate but now a week after it seems like my body got used to it. Can breath well just no jitters whatsoever. Heartrate went back to normal as well and 0 issues. Sometimes i dont even know if i took it as i dont feel any sides, hope the fat burning process still keeps going but the difference compared to UGL Clen is crazy.
Pelletkachel
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The fatburning will keep going if ur food is still on track, you don’t NEED side effects for something to work… And you also don’t need to cycle off clen for it to “work” again
Yeah, i had the choice between an inhaler and Clen and Clen makes it easier to travel for me, insurance covers this fully as i have Asthma so 10mcg daily is the way to go for me. Love how deep i can breath with it and the difference between UGL and Pharma is insane, i did not expect it
xrayphoton13
Member
I discovered the same thing recently. Back around 2005 or so when I was 19 I ordered liquid clen from a research chem site. You would shake it really hard before use and then use the dropper lid to measure the dose. All I remember is the tremors and feeling stiff and awful like I couldn't workout well. I swore off clen forever and stuck with the ECA stack until last year when my coach wanted me to use clen. I almost said no but I got pharma this time from India and the difference was stupid. I get the tiniest tremors at first but workouts are amazing, strength goes up, and weight just falls off. I can't believe the difference between the two
Exactly, it really is a day and night difference. I did not expect this at all. 1-2 days little tremors but after a week. Nothing, no sides, nothing at all and weight keeps going down, i love it!
xrayphoton13
Member
I'm taking it with reta right now. Ate like shit for two days and weight still went down a pound. Gotta get more cardio in though. Resting HR is up and so is bp. Some of that could just be the crappy eating though. We just found out my wife's mom has an aggressive form of cancer that's spreading and I'm a stress eater like none other
Thank you for sharing your experiences, I will give clen another try here in a few months. Wishing your MIL all the best and a quick recovery.
Anat
Member
I had one experience with Clen from Malay Tiger, nuclear-grade stuff. After the first dose, I was shaking so much I might as well have been dancing Tecktonik. After that, I said, “Nope, thanks, not for me.” Maybe I’ll give it another shot in the future - when I decide to drop below 10% body fat.
throwawaybb21
New Member
Have indian clen from pct zone. Take 1, 40mcg barely feel anything. Take 2, 80mcg my heart is beating like hell… anyways i always hated the feeling of being on clen, compared to stuff like eca. Eca is euphoric without the crazy heartrate and jitters.
Remember that clen is cardiotoxic
I just got some clean from a peptide site. I haven't used clean in years and decided to give it a go again. Legit for sure. Def don't miss the clen shakes.
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