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Readalots Enhanced Testing

I don't think readalot would be embarrassed, and there's nothing to be embarrassed about.

He typed out a bunch of posts that people either had to read, or, perish the thought... use their thump to scroll through one inch. Embarrassed about that?

Or is it that he shared a well founded idea? I've seen a ton moronic ideas shared... who's been embarrassed?

I think it's way too early to be worried about... wait for it... the price of gear going up *gasp*.
 
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Excel.exe said:
What if it can help in symptom relief for chronic conditions?
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How can you determine which conditions it causes?

Excel.exe said:
What would you do?
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No idea, for someone like me who has injected tren from pellets, I am reckless and dumb; who knows what I’ll do especially since I do not suffer from any illness from it as I feel healthy overall. I first need to know what ailments it causes.

What will the rest of guys who have kilograms of raws or several hundreds of oils stockpiled would do.
 
bigMoJo said:
I don't think readalot would be embarrassed, and there's nothing to be embarrassed about.

He typed out a bunch of posts that people either had to read, or, perish the thought... use their thump to scroll through one inch. Embarrassed about that?

Or is it that he shared a well founded idea? I've seen a ton moronic ideas shared... who's been embarrassed?

I think it's way too early to be worried about... wait for it... the price of gear going up *gasp*.
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Nothing to be embarrassed about.
Wrong forum for "personal disputes", when he was being taunted.

I think people want to see the testing protocol in action, so make it more manageable.
Maybe start with 1 source only, committing to doing it properly, so we can see how it all works and what the reaction is.

The Lobster's new hgh sterility testing was received positively.
What the final cost difference to the consumer will be (x vial, for instance), should also be made clearer, for the ones complaining about price increases.

Someone in a previous message wrote that Readalot was "funded" by someone for this tests, which is not the case, but viceversa.
Readalot was provided with the raws and then he paid for the tests.

In the end, if it does not come to fruition, " what the hell does he do here now?":
I would like to think that he'd still want to be here: this is a place where knowledge is shared and he has plenty of it.
He is good at engaging with people.
He is a fair and honourable person, who is unafraid to speak his mind.
I really do not see anything wrong, there.
And if you don't like it, you can just scroll past.
 
DECLAN said:
How can you determine which conditions it causes?
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I think the main concern should be whether endotoxins will become similar to something like lead exposure (and of course lead was even in gasoline and paint years ago).

We don't know what we don't know but I do think there is increasing evidence that chronic endotoxin exposure is "bad."

I'm not sure there is a reliable way to quantify that "badness" yet but I am sure there is endotoxin exposure from UGL gear (and peptides...which admittedly are probably driving the more "diva-like" crowd such as myself to the site).

My gateway was TRT...(And allergy injections allowed me to normalize having syringes around the house...and then vials sitting in the fridge... LMFAO). I found this site in search of QSC. I ended up staying for the real world experience (and to counteract some of the terrible advice I got from TRT nation...lol)...and to give me confidence to try Deca, NPP, Primo, Mast...and learn why I couldn't tolerate Nandrolone.

Now I sit here every morning spending 20 minutes reading new posts before I start my day...lol.

Now if someone could just tell me how the fuck to have some energy at the end of a 14 hour work day to actually get off my ass and workout consistently, I would be forever grateful...hahaha.
 
RandallFlagg said:
[...]chronic endotoxin exposure[...]

[...]terrible advice I got from TRT nation...lol)[...]

[...]Now if someone could just tell me how the fuck to have some energy at the end of a 14 hour work day[...]
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Randall,
I think endtoxin exposure should at least be examined (i.e. test(s))... let's see if there is cause for concern.

I was with TRT Nation as well, feel the same about them. I think their advice, or lack therof, actually could cause harm. For example, I had zero BP issues and they didn't explain the almost sudden rise could be from gear. Which is what brought me to Meso.

As far as having energy, or time for that matter, I myself had to "carve" it all out. It's something I had to be stubborn about. My divorce helped me carve even more time out :p
 
RandallFlagg said:
I think the main concern should be whether endotoxins will become similar to something like lead exposure (and of course lead was even in gasoline and paint years ago).

We don't know what we don't know but I do think there is increasing evidence that chronic endotoxin exposure is "bad."

I'm not sure there is a reliable way to quantify that "badness" yet but I am sure there is endotoxin exposure from UGL gear (and peptides...which admittedly are probably driving the more "diva-like" crowd such as myself to the site).
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The endotoxin test will be interesting, if only because it is something that has been brought up before Readalot came back.
I don't and never had the knowledge to have an opinion about it.
Tbh, it is a term I had only come across on an article about animal feed, some time ago.
If the tests come back negative, how would you take that result, even just as a single instance?
Would it make you think it is representative of a wider picture, potentially?
The endotoxin debate has proved quite divisive, so far, has been dismissed and has not elicited any interest.
I need to see more actual info and then the thought about potential concerns can be entertained.
 
Type-IIx said:
Expanded heavy metals test
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And this is inaccurate. It's not expanded heavy metals. It's expanded metals. But you know that as I have mentioned it to you many times.

Heavy metals are class 1 elemental impurities.

USP <232> and <233>.

readalot

Post in thread 'Source QC and C of A (do you have one?)'

PDEs:
www.pharmacalculation.com

Permitted Daily Exposure Calculation

Pharma Calculation is a popular educational site for pharmacy students, pharmacy technicians and pharmaceutical professionals.
www.pharmacalculation.com www.pharmacalculation.com




Elemental impurities:


USP 232 and 233 Pharmaceutical Elemental Impurity Testing

www.intertek.com www.intertek.com
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The rest of your posts on this thread were entertaining. Thank you.
 
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Excel.exe said:
He is the last person I would ever assume is embarrassed about anything he does. Especially those results.

I see 3 outcomes
1. He manages to get every single product tested of one vendor and the results are good then vendor gets to move up the tier ladder. This will result in prices being increased.
2. Even if one test result fails the vendor will be forced to produce newer batches that pass the results
3. He tries to get every single product tested of every vendor at the same and he is asked to get a life.

With the first outcome, other vendors will be asked to get their products tested.
With the second outcome, other vendors will be asked to get their products tested and he gets to claim the "I told you so".
With the third outcome, he gets to claim the "I knew this would happen".

It is a win-win situation for him. The first outcome will be severely affecting group of people like me who only buy during promos.
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Remind me to refrain from playing chess with you for money. Very thoughtful analysis.

As you state watch what happens here in Act 3...
 
iris said:
The endotoxin test will be interesting, if only because it is something that has been brought up before Readalot came back
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The thread that started all this fun.
readalot said:
1. 3rd party C of A on finished product batch specific to that shipment
- endotoxin screen
- metals with ICP
- purity(ies) / concentration(s) using hplc plus ms (or gcms)
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You are correct ghoul also brought this up during my first ban. The quote above was from a year ago. Do you see any mention of heavy metals there, LOL?

Pretty consistent message. We are nearing the home stretch. Thanks for coming on the journey.
 
DECLAN said:
I highly doubt people here will throw away their gear because of these tests lol, maybe if someone can show them immediate symptoms or illness caused by these heavy metals or endotoxins.
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@readalot What could those immediate symptoms or illness be like and how long would it after discontinuing any gear that had heavy metals or endotoxins to get some relief?

Would discontinuing be enough or someone would need to do something like said here?
 
Excel.exe said:
@readalot What could those immediate symptoms or illness be like and how long would it after discontinuing any gear that had heavy metals or endotoxins to get some relief?

Would discontinuing be enough or someone would need to do something like said here?
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Was chatting with a former Meso member at SST about the endotoxin deal.


had me thinking about Test Flu? Short term an acute endotoxin exposure could present very similar to that. Longer term we are taking about immune system response / autoimmune issues potentially.

As soon as I find an acceptable ugl vendor I am through with compounding pharmacies. They are worse than the UGLs. They have no excuse.

I never raised the spectre of heavy metals in AAS products. I did want to characterize the metal content and that will be done soon.

As I shared in another thread, if you want heavy metals just eat a lot of tuna. Surefire way to elevate your serum Hg levels. Hope you don't turn out like me. That's enough to turn folks away from tuna. I am hypocrite though, I admit. Still eat it but have been doing more herring and sardines lately.
 
readalot said:
Longer term we are taking about immune system response / autoimmune issues potentially.
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How would someone test for these through blood work? White blood cell count? hs;CRP? What else?

readalot said:
As soon as I find an acceptable ugl vendor I am through with compounding pharmacies. They are worse than the UGLs. They have no excuse.
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I am surprised you did not talk about the love letter FDA sent to about Empower Pharmacy.
 
Excel.exe said:
How would someone test for these through blood work? White blood cell count? hs;CRP? What else?


I am surprised you did not talk about the love letter FDA sent to about Empower Pharmacy.
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I only have so much time for my little unpaid (negative pay LOL) project. Millard was at least kind enough to give me a 2 week break to get some work done.

I have lots I could share on one 503B outsourcing facility that's big on marketing and not much else. I'll get back to you on the blood work question. But yes you've hit on some of the acute phase immune response tests.

Edit: Acute-phase protein - Wikipedia

A Nontrivial Analysis of Patient Safety Risk from Parenteral Drug- and Medical Device-Borne Endotoxin - PMC

A thorough and systematic analysis of potential endotoxin-related safety issues from parenteral drugs and devices is important to ensure appropriate current Good Manufacturing Practices, compendial requirements, standards and regulatory guidance. ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
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