The same could be said of the HPLC testing that is already performed. Should we stop the HPLC testing then? No? Thanks for playing.
If I were committed to interfering with enhanced testing efforts I would be far more thoughtful with my objections.
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If I were committed to interfering with enhanced testing efforts I would be far more thoughtful with my objections.
BigNoOne
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Ah. But HPLC doesn’t vary from vial to vial. So when blind samples come back bad, the source can always ask a customer that purchased that same batch, to submit a sample blind.
You can’t do that with sterility.
Spaceman Spiff
Well-known Member
Actually no...
you receive a bag of powder. who knows what is in there? This part disgusts me when people start homebrewing and not knowing what the fucking powder is. I have heard of a story where someone ordered some Test C and it was not Testosterone at all. unidentifiable.
You also do the testing to make sure the source isnt full of shit as well. Challenge their product and their dosing practice.
People think the batch testing truly means something. it doesnt. How big are the containers to make oils?
Even for domestic brewers, how many vials can they create with a beaker? Are they using a Breaking bad tub or a 2L Beaker which can make 190 vials?
readalot
Member
You can with all the stuff in this thread...endotoxins, metals, GCMS.
Shall we discuss a statistically valid sampling plan for sterility?
readalot
Member
You say a bunch of stuff (glad we agree on testing raws - the vendors here could use your encouragement) that does not address Funk's point. Very simple for shill to sabotage an HPLC test.
readalot
Member
See picture earlier in thread. 2L. Domestic vendor. Had the courage to daylight the intermittent metals contamination in raws.
Spaceman Spiff
Well-known Member
I genuinely don't care to look for the pic.
I know there is stuff in the raws. Anyone who handles it know there is.
It's not like you can say fuck one source and go to another as easily (they could be using the same manufacturer.)
and that stuff won't pass through a filter.
Probably some shit that just felt in the bucket
BigNoOne
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No. Cause you can’t apply that to the illegal black market. Crime will always find a way to circumvent whatever you put in place.
readalot
Member
Why are you in this thread? Sincerely asking.
BigNoOne
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Metals aren’t necessarily harmful. Copper. Iron. Calcium. Magnesium. All those metals are good for us.
BigNoOne
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He’s saying similar to what I’m saying, just in a different way. It takes all types.
readalot
Member
Agreed. Hope we get a sample for analysis. I wouldn't recommend sucking on random metal in my oral suspension though. These raws aren't filtered for oral products.
readalot
Member
It definitely will for Meso UGL standards to be improved.
Appreciate your participation. Would rather hash all this out now than later with UGL vendors' arbitration team later.
Spaceman Spiff
Well-known Member
To have an open discussion about why I think this was pointless.
Sincerely responding
readalot
Member
Thanks for your response. I appreciate your sincere participation.
I hope you will address the comments I made on your posts. You are making claims you can't support with data.
Pointless? Share your endotoxin data on raws and finished oils demonstrating the universe of UGL products has been analyzed.
Sterility, HPLC validity for Test esters with testosterone structural impurities?
What fraction of labs here test their raws?
What fraction of users here re-filter the oils they buy?
Thanks in advance for your input.
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readalot
Member
Ok, so you agree to first part of what I said
and
would reject any sterility testing done by vendors?
readalot
Member
Someone please explain to me why surveillance is not needed for these metrics in the UGL scene? You want the data and want me to show you a representative cross section of results from the UGL population. You want me to show you the issues. But without the data how do we get there?
Based on the small sample size thus far we just pack up and go home. Declare victory? That would be a big miss from scientific standpoint. I've shared demonstration, not statistically significant sample size.
Based on the small sample size thus far we just pack up and go home. Declare victory? That would be a big miss from scientific standpoint. I've shared demonstration, not statistically significant sample size.
Spaceman Spiff
Well-known Member
Pointless as is it won't change anything I am doing.
When you run tests, you have an intervention of what you would do to improve/treat the problem.
There is nothing else I would do/can do to improve it. Therefore it's pointless to test it unless it's out of curiosity
I'm not gonna bother answering these other questions as I think this whole crusade is idiotic.
Thanks
Spaceman Spiff
Well-known Member
Your constant posts also seem like you are just wanting validation from the general public.
Which you are not getting. I honestly find this pretty laughable.
I'm out of this shitty thread.
readalot
Member
I can't ask questions in my own thread, and you say you came here for sincere dialogue....but all you can offer is that the crusade is idiotic and the consumer is powerless. Ok. Have a good day. Thanks for swinging by.
