Recovery from 4 year blast and cruise.

I started this thread knowing full well that i was gonna get a lot of shit from members on here, for self medicating.
You can listen to the likes of DrJim and accept that you fucked up and you have to live with your new crappy level.. But the proofs in the fucking pudding boys.
Bro science 1 DrJim 0.
I already knew this I don't see your point?


Arent we the bitchie one ! Must be those rising female hormone levels :rolleyes: :confused: :p
 
I already knew this I don't see your point?
all he is saying is based on the info provided you don't have any real issues based on medical standards. Now, if you feel like you want a higher number (clearly is the case) then that's another topic of discussion.

As you know, medical science relies on facts and data that can be backed up. Outliers that take unadvisable amounts of drugs, for unadvisable amounts of time and end up with a favorable result in the short term are just that, outliers. It's probably not a good idea to have loads of people do what you did, imo. But my opinion clearly means nothing, just ask my wife.

Stop being so aggressive and looking for issues, seriously. The world is full of different types of people, move around them, not through them. It's an easier and happier path. Except for @MindlessWork fuck that pedo.

Arent we the bitchie one ! Must be those rising female hormone levels :rolleyes: :confused: :p
Lol, dude. The effort this guy put in on his own is commendable, not advisable, but commendable. I think he took enough clomid to poison a horse.
 
all he is saying is based on the info provided you don't have any real issues based on medical standards. Now, if you feel like you want a higher number (clearly is the case) then that's another topic of discussion.

As you know, medical science relies on facts and data that can be backed up. Outliers that take unadvisable amounts of drugs, for unadvisable amounts of time and end up with a favorable result in the short term are just that, outliers. It's probably not a good idea to have loads of people do what you did, imo. But my opinion clearly means nothing, just ask my wife.

Stop being so aggressive and looking for issues, seriously. The world is full of different types of people, move around them, not through them. It's an easier and happier path. Except for @MindlessWork fuck that pedo.


Lol, dude. The effort this guy put in on his own is commendable, not advisable, but commendable. I think he took enough clomid to poison a horse.


"To get along you gotta go along" - Cool Hand Luke
Is words I live by . I do my share of arguing here , but in the end you have to see other peoples point of view .
 
Bore off man.
Couldn't reply sooner, but saw your post. You be you, by all means man. I'm who I am and I guarantee you that I come across like a sledgehammer sometimes. I do know that I'm not a sledgehammer all the time though...
 
I simply asked a question. Ofcourse I know the regulations doctors have and such a level that they will prescribe TRT. I am sick to death of this thread now I really am. Chowmein mudda fukaz.
 
I was. But what does it fucking matter. Your all a bunch of little fucking bitches that would get bombed the fuck out regardless of how big and tough you think you are.
Outlier? How the fuck am I an outlier when everything I'm saying is the truth?
I bet non of you can actually stand and bang, fucking pathetic little cunts.
Ask yourself icky, if you had a level of 12nmol WITH all the symptoms of low T what would you do? How would you feel? Just think about that for a moment. Now kindly fuck off back under your little rock guys and find someone else to talk your shit too. Cause I have no reason to be here any longer.
 
I did a (using 12) nmol to ng/dl conversion on your test result and your 366 ng according to this chart , thats normal . Lowish normal for your age but our US doctors wouldnt put you on TRT until you go under 250-300ng (9-10 nmol).

By most real drs yes but if you go to one of these trt or anti-aging “clinics” they would have given him a prescription..many of those places or pill mills for ped’s, they’ll give you T, GH, deca, anavar, basically whatever that is still legal and available as long as you pay.
 
all he is saying is based on the info provided you don't have any real issues based on medical standards. Now, if you feel like you want a higher number (clearly is the case) then that's another topic of discussion.

As you know, medical science relies on facts and data that can be backed up. Outliers that take unadvisable amounts of drugs, for unadvisable amounts of time and end up with a favorable result in the short term are just that, outliers. It's probably not a good idea to have loads of people do what you did, imo. But my opinion clearly means nothing, just ask my wife.

It is well known that the "normal" range testonerone level, that is unfortunately still the gold standard in the medical books has a major flaw in that it does not account for age... if a 21 year old healthy man goes to a doctor to get tested for low T and is around the range of 360 or so, they will say he is in normal range. That is a level more typical of a healthy man well in to their 60's or 70's. If he has a level of 1000, that would be more typical of a 16 year old boy in the midst of puberty getting the necessary amounts of testosterone to turn him into a man. Clinically low, and clinically high levels DO NOT TAKE AGE INTO CONSIDERATION, which is ignorant as fuck. But hey, pharmaceutical companies make more money off ED meds and TRT therapy than they ever would off a treatment that actually cured the problem like hcg mono-therapy.

Anyway here is a medical study essentially backing up everything this guy did, so you know the concept at least, is not bro science. There is real medical science backing up the ideas with documented outcomes.js.

There is always room for growth, both in muscle and in brains... I don't comment much, but I've read many hundreds of your comments on meso over the years, and learned a great deal from you. You have my respect, and thanks for the knowledge I've gained from you. Never stop growing brother.
https://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(19)30242-5/fulltext
 
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It is well known that the "normal" range testonerone level, that is unfortunately still the gold standard in the medical books has a major flaw in that it does not account for age... if a 21 year old healthy man goes to a doctor to get tested for low T and is around the range of 360 or so, they will say he is in normal range. That is a level more typical of a healthy man well in to their 60's or 70's. If he has a level of 1000, that would be more typical of a 16 year old boy in the midst of puberty getting the necessary amounts of testosterone to turn him into a man. Clinically low, and clinically high levels DO NOT TAKE AGE INTO CONSIDERATION, which is ignorant as fuck. But hey, pharmaceutical companies make more money off ED meds and TRT therapy than they ever would off a treatment that actually cured the problem like hcg mono-therapy.

Anyway here is a medical study backing it up, so you know the concept at least, is not bro science. There is real medical science backing up the ideas with documented outcomes.js
https://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(19)30242-5/fulltext
Oh, I understand all of that. Never debated that someone on the low side of can have a quality of life bump when exogenous test is used. I'd agree with it tbh.

OP doesn't want trt though. He wants to fix his issues so he isn't reliant on it.
 
I had to bookmark this. I'll use it one day when I'm being told I don't know shit.
** @Jay Monks ** :p:D


Hope it all stays good for you. Never going to use anabolics again?
You pissed me off icky with your approach to my problem. But you can never truly know unless you have been through it so yeah, you don't know.
I'm pretty sure the most recent level will be slightly higher due to all the drugs I've been taking and with lack of sleep.
All being well I'm considering having a 6-8 week cycle next year before I go on holiday to Portugal.
 
You pissed me off icky with your approach to my problem. But you can never truly know unless you have been through it so yeah, you don't know.
I'm pretty sure the most recent level will be slightly higher due to all the drugs I've been taking and with lack of sleep.
All being well I'm considering having a 6-8 week cycle next year before I go on holiday to Portugal.
Lol, I thought you were 100% done with AAS? How long will you run your PCT after that cycle?
 
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