Resting Heart Rate

[rexstudy]

Figured I'd share in case it's helpful for anyone. And also want to see what others have experienced.

Pre-cycle RHR was in the 50-55 range. Started 500mg/wk test e and after it saturated my RHR had increased to the 80-85 range. Added primo and after 2 weeks ramped to 400mg/wk (stupid!) and RHR got into the 90's. Other unpleasant side effects here as well. Dropped primo dosage down to 200/wk. After a couple weeks RHR went back to the 80-85 range. Also added a ton more walking/long low effort cardio along the way while researching and ordering accessory meds.

Ended up adding 80mg telmisartan (ARB) and 5mg lisinopril (ACE-Inhibitor) daily in hopes of reducing it and because they're what arrived first. A little over a week on those and I didn't see much improvement to RHR. Did see BP improve slightly but it wasn't as concerning as my RHR.

Yesterday I added 5mg nebivolol (beta blocker) and the today my RHR average has been 66.

I already expected the beta blocker to be better for heart rate but I wasn't expecting that much of a change that quickly. Course it could also be possibly the ARB & ACE-I needed that week to start working. But the big change the day after adding nebivolol seems to point to it being the main thing.

Anyone got similar experiences w/ lowering RHR?

 

[Xplicit]

Nebivolol 10mg ed. Game changer.

Btw, i would advise against taking an ace inhibitor and an arb at the same time. A google search will explain why. Glad the nebivolol worked out for you.

 

[clearheaded]

yes beta blockers work in 30 min or less...

yes almost a gram of gear will have you running on high octane fuel....

sometimes gets better overtime once your heart gets reformatted with testosterone.

have you checked your E levels?

 

[PaintDrinker]

Any have a good source for BP meds?

 

[Sector]

Also looking for a beta blocker source

@OP I would try to do more moderate intensity cardio as well to really get the heart rate going. It will go a long ways in bringing down your resting heart rate as well, as your heart gets stronger

 

[rexstudy]

Also looking for a beta blocker source

@OP I would try to do more moderate intensity cardio as well to really get the heart rate going. It will go a long ways in bringing down your resting heart rate as well, as your heart gets stronger

The India based PCT vendors on this forum.

Good call on the cardio. Been doing daily HIIT like P90x. Also used to run a decent amount - halfs & 10ks - but it has been awhile.

 

[rexstudy]

yes beta blockers work in 30 min or less...

yes almost a gram of gear will have you running on high octane fuel....

sometimes gets better overtime once your heart gets reformatted with testosterone.

have you checked your E levels?

Yea, was a nice surprise how fast that beta blocker kicked in.

Blood test on just the 500 test e: total test 2771 (633 before), free test 475 (65 before), e2 80 (15 before). Haven't added an AI yet but have it on hand.

Getting blood work again soon to see how the 200mg primo changed things. Pretty sure the original higher dose took e2 lower than I wanted - I wasn't enjoying that at all.

 

[rexstudy]

Nebivolol 10mg ed. Game changer.

Btw, i would advise against taking an ace inhibitor and an arb at the same time. A google search will explain why. Glad the nebivolol worked out for you.

Thanks! Will be dropping one or both for sure. Surprisingly hadn't seen that yet and I feel like I spent a decent chunk of time researching.

 

[Sapopeluo]

Increase cardio… why adding more chems? Been I’m just in test, it does not make too much sense

 

[jdubzzz44]

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Any have a good source for BP meds?

BG has everything international pct.zone has some stuff us domestic

 

[jdubzzz44]

Increase cardio… why adding more chems? Been I’m just in test, it does not make too much sense

I’m doing an hour of cardio a day and since I started my cycle and added hgh my rhr went from high 50s to high 70s

 

[PaintDrinker]

Increase cardio… why adding more chems? Been I’m just in test, it does not make too much sense

It’s not always that simple but I get what your saying

 

[mknodc13]

Man I’m in a similar boat right now. 200/200 Test/primo, 600 hCG and my RHR went from 55 to 85. I’m getting bloods next week, so I’m hesitant to change my protocol until after.
Are you experiencing any high e2 symptoms like water retention? I’m definitely feeling some e2 sides. I might reduce hCG or play with the T/P ratio after bloods.

 

[readalot]

I’m doing an hour of cardio a day and since I started my cycle and added hgh my rhr went from high 50s to high 70s

Great point and anecdote. More cardio won't fix this.

 

[Mongo966]

Yep my RHR is usually mid-60's.
Test E @ 250mg/week sends it into the 80's, adding 200mg/week primo puts it into the 90's.
Increasing cardio does fuck all to prevent it.

 

[PiscesMoon]

Propranolol is a beta blocker that may be used to provide consistent way towards management & situational relief - from both acute and "general"/day to day heart rate spikes.

Have been able to get propranolol Rx for almost 3 years now. 40mg x 60 per month.

It is prescribed also for performance anxiety in smaller doses (usually 10-20mg and smaller pill count per month). And then for migraine management at higher dosage/count. This is all available online at least in the US.

Otherwise, it seems to be one of the cheapest and most readily available offerings from over seas pharmacies like from India for example.

 

[readalot]

RHR and correlation to PED dosages.. My Experience

Ive been blasting again for the last 7 weeks, slowly increasing my dosages of both AAS, GH, and Insulin while monitoring my RHR through my Apple Watch. At least for me, there seems to be a direct correlation between RHR and either my dosages and/or weight (I’m up 16lbs lean mass/water)...

thinksteroids.com

Nice paper

Figure 4
Genomic androgen effects on the adrenergic system in the cardiac muscle (CM). The genomic AR signaling involves androgen crossing the plasma membrane, entering the cytoplasm, dissociation of chaperone proteins, and binding to the AR. Testosterone (T) stimulates the expression of the α1-adrenergic receptor (α1-AR) and β2-adrenergic receptor (β2-AR), improving ionotropic activity and leading to the development of contraction without cardiotoxic effects. In addition, T increments the expression of the β1 adrenergic receptor (β1-AR), acutely improving the cardiomyocytes' function, but chronically leading to hypertrophy and heart failure.

Two words to understand with PED use....

Inotrope - Wikipedia

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Chronotropic - Wikipedia

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[rexstudy]

I see beta blockers mentioned a ton but I hardly ever see this important bit:

Beta blockers will drastically limit your max heart rate when doing cardio.

 

[Nostrame]

Yep my RHR is usually mid-60's.
Test E @ 250mg/week sends it into the 80's, adding 200mg/week primo puts it into the 90's.
Increasing cardio does fuck all to prevent it.

Does trt dose keep it mid/60s or do you have to completely come off to get back to baseline?

 

[Nostrame]

Man I’m in a similar boat right now. 200/200 Test/primo, 600 hCG and my RHR went from 55 to 85. I’m getting bloods next week, so I’m hesitant to change my protocol until after.
Are you experiencing any high e2 symptoms like water retention? I’m definitely feeling some e2 sides. I might reduce hCG or play with the T/P ratio after bloods.

You’re only taking 200 of each and you’re the jumps that high? I don’t get it, this is a low dose, perhaps you’re sensitive to e2?