Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[Big_paul]

I was just kidding these last couple posts. When I said the world could come to an end this summer, I'm not.

If you want an example watch the ammonium nitrate explosion in Beirut on YouTube. Then imagine it 1000x worse.

That is where we are at.

 

[Big_paul]

BTW that is what a tactical nuclear weapon would look like.

Can anyone deny we are in crazy town?

 

[Hughinn]

BTW that is what a tactical nuclear weapon would look like.

Can anyone deny we are in crazy town?

Crazy town is about right.

I just seen now the USAID has revamped it's NGO agitators and provocateur crowd in Hungary.

To translate: REGIME CHANGE COMING IN HUNGARY

She’s setting up the mechanisms to overthrow Viktor Orban—“Pro-democracy Non-Government Organizations” which are actually CIA contractors to recruit agents provocateurs.

Soon there’ll be riots in Budapest. You watch—they always do the same thing.



View: https://twitter.com/PowerUSAID/status/1623788521369501696?t=vkQkLbgTLHCUQOnTpxBrNg&s=19


Just like they did in Ukraine in 2014.

We see where that's going

This is from 2004 , just before the first US state department coup in Ukraine and setting up the mechanisms for the bigger coup that would happen in 2014.

Note the USAID and same NGOs appear as the main actors.

Coincidence?

Ian Traynor: US campaign behind the turmoil in Kiev

Analysis: Ukraine, traditionally passive in its politics, has been mobilised by young democracy activists and will never be the same again.

www.theguardian.com

 

[Hughinn]

But, but, but...

"Russia is the aggressor that wants to tell everyone how to live".

 

[hometeam]

We spent 20 years developing systems and doctrine to fight illiterate goat herders to ensure the gay pride flag can fly in the Baghdad and Kabul embassies

Trying to convince people that hate us they'd be happier if men in lipstick could call themselves women?

Yeah yeah, we all know you think Russia should rule Europe because Russia will keep their gay people in the closet. In Soviet times Russia imprisoned about 1,000 men a year for being openly gay, and we all know Russia misses the 1970s.

Actually Paul, I believe Poland has invaded Ukraine before.

Russia has invaded both Ukraine and Poland before. They were part of the Russian empire for many years, since Catherine the Great, and later the Soviet Union. The border Russia gave between the two republics has been at dispute. Poland believes Lviv is a Polish city. Just like Crimea was never part of Ukraine until Kruschev decided it should be in 1954.

But what these Russian orcs like @Hughinn don't seem to realize is in the latter half of the 20th century, the world entered a period of respecting each other's sovereignty - certainly in Europe and certainly from 1990 on. No more colonies, no more annexations... everybody respects everybody's borders. Russia just wants to buck that trend. In 1991 when the Soviet Union dissolved, 1 country became 14 with half the population and 1/3 the economy and now they're weak and poor and want their empire back.

View: https://youtu.be/qEu0oRajJxE?t=178

Washington DC gets whatever parts Russia leaves and the Ukrainian people get the shaft.

The US hasn't had a new state since Hawaii in 1959. Peurto Rico keeps voting no to be the 51st state and we let them be. The EU won't let Ukraine join yet, citing 7 areas they need to improve. NATO denied their application in 2008 and it hasn't been on the table since. So Washington isn't going to "get" Ukraine, at least not in the same way Russia is trying to. Like I said, orcs don't seem to realize the US isn't like Russia, we don't annex territories.

If you mean Washington will westernize Ukraine and US companies will invest there and turn a profit then go me a river. That would be a good thing and those are things Ukraine has been begging the West to do for many years. Wouldn't you if you lived next to a very poor, despotic, aggressive country like Russia who doesn't even believe Ukraine is a country or Ukrainians are a people?

 

[hometeam]

Really Paul?

Ukraine has no chance of winning.
They never really did.

Depends on what you mean by win or lose. Nobody rationally believes Russia will take Kiev or Kharkiv or Kherson or Odessa at this point. So if you consider Russia holding on to the Donbas and Crimea a win, that's very possible after several years of war and the West stops sending aid. It's also possible that the Russian army eventually crumbles and Ukraine retakes Crimea.

Ukraine doesn't have the same issues with morale and finding a purpose to fight that Russia does. Russia hasn't been through a Vietnam War like the US has. If you haven't gone through something like a Vietnam War where US forces killed 1.1 million enemy soldiers, never was beaten on the battlefield, bombed them to the stone age (dropped double the amount of bombs in Vietnam than were dropped on Europe and Asia during World War II) and still lost then you don't realize how important the will to fight is and the hearts and minds are of people in occupied territory.

In General Bakshi of India's latest video here:

View: https://youtu.be/JqHuvl9J-v4?t=602

He says this is a symmetrical war not an asymmetrical one... Ukraine with 700K+ troops, at least 400k-450k is the fighting element. And Russia just mobilized 300k to add to their depleted forces (150k they started with in Feb). So neither side has a the 3 to 1 numerical advantage needed to take each other's territory currently. Bakshi says the Russians were hoping superior artillery would make up for a lack of troops but that has failed - thus the mobilization. The Russian equipment not having an advantage over NATO aid. And so what we have is a stalemate and both sides preparing for late Spring or summer offensives. The attackers taking higher casualties, the defenders with the advantage.

Pro Russian people keep acting like Russia has something else up the sleeve that will change their fortunes - they don't. They lost their 1st Guards tank army (the US would call it a corps) in Kharkiv, their best equipment and best soldiers. The 200th Separate Motor Rifle Brigade and 155th Naval Infantry Brigade - gone. They can mobilize a million men, but with what equipment? They could give them rifles and send human waves like they did in WWII (and somewhat in Chechnya) but the Ukrainians would chew them up with the NATO equipment.

In many ways the Russians have already lost. They lost in Kiev, Kharkiv and Kherson, lost about half their invading army in the process. They've lost thousands of tanks and armored vehicles, many cruise missiles. Dozens of Generals killed, more fired. The mobilization, increased isolation, the hurt international standing and embarrassment. People who fled the country, monetary/economic costs. Afghanistan to the Soviets was nothing like this is to Russia. Whatever Russia "wins" out of this won't have been worth the cost.

As General Bakshi of India is keen to point out, Russia's defense budget is about $6 billion less than India's and India has twice Russia's economy, also about 50% more soldiers. Now, Russia's defense budget is shooting up to $83 billion from $70 billion this year because of the war (US budget is $817 billion) but you get my point: what makes Russia's military any better than India's? It's all those arms they stockpiled in Soviet times. And once they're gone (except for nukes) they're a 2nd rate power.

 

[hometeam]

Just like they did in Ukraine in 2014.

In 2014 Putin's puppet Yanukovych was overthrown in Ukraine. He refused to sign an EU association agreement he had promised for years. He had said he was going to sign the EU agreement, but after a trip to Moscow he changed his mind. The President of Lithuania said she spoke with him eye to eye and he said he was under some kind of pressure personally. Radosław Sikorski of Poland says that the EU was offering billions in assistance for the country over time, wrapped up in procedures, but Putin offered trucks of cash money into Yanukovych's personal account the next day.

Now, he was elected in Ukraine with this agreement as a centerpiece of his policy. Ukraine and the EU had been working on it for 5 years, and people in Kiev were in the streets holding signs saying "Ukraine is part of Europe,"

then Yanukovych ordered the Berkut police to fire on them. You can see footage of that here:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWzI9V3WSnc


Parliament pressured Yanukoych to resign, he said he would, but then he disappeared. Video shows him hopping into a helicopter. Putin says his special forces picked Yanukovych up in Crimea, took him to Russia. Ukraine's congress impeached him while he was away in Russia for abandoning his position. He still lives there today. Every other candidate for President in the last 20 years (Yuschenko, Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Zalensky) has been pro-West. Putin's people have talked about having him run the Donbas.

Was this part of a "coup"? I hope so, because it's clear Ukraine doesn't want to be a vassal state to Putin. The Russians poisoned his opposition (President Yuschenko) in 2004. No one tried to kill Yanukovych like the Russians tried to kill Yuschenko... that's a real coup. Yanukovych was just run out of town by an angry mob, fled to Russia and didn't return. It's no reason for Russia to start recruiting and arming militias along their border trying to start a revolution of their own, and no reason to annex Ukrainian territory.

When Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, Ukraine actually had it written that they were a neutral country into their constitution. They removed it afterwards but who can blame them? And when Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022 accepting them unto NATO wasn't even on the table at NATO. If it ever happened it wouldn't be happening for years. All this instability in Ukraine from 2014 on was a result of Russia recruiting, arming, training and giving pay checks to separatist militias in the Donbas trying to create a rebellion and revolution. Giving them rockets and armored vehicles, shooting down Malaysian airlines flight 17 killing 300 passengers. Here's a documentary on the DRP:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woD44CsR4jg

 

[hometeam]

But that's not going to keep bellies full or asses warm. You need food and fuel for that.

The US actually produces more oil and natural gas than any other country in the world... more than Russia, more than Saudi Arabia. We also consume more oil than anyone and for political reasons have limited refinery capability, but we're working on green energy and Tesla is making electric cars and can always turn to shale oil if we need to. The US also produces more agriculture than anyone but China.

The reason our economy is strong and Russia's is because nobody is going to stop buying American cars, airliners, Apple cell phones, Intel chips, Microsoft operating systems, Texas Instruments integrated circuits etc anytime soon. What does Russia make? There's an old joke from Soviet times: they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work.

But, but, but...

"Russia is the aggressor that wants to tell everyone how to live".

There's another old joke from Soviet Times: With whom does the Soviet Union want to have borders with? Whomever it pleases. With whom does it please? Nobody.

 

[Hughinn]

Lmfao

There's the moron @hometeam

After choking on Joe Bidens cock and trumpeting the same propoganda from the same people that lied us into Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Libya and soo many others... And now... Ukraine

He's here to eat crow for the sin of being a fuckin idiot.

NATO,/US is going to lose in Ukraine. No question about it. It's a war they never should have provoked from the beginning. Billions of dollars for coups and color revolution in a place Americans have not one single legitimate national security concern in. But Washington has money concerns and Joe Bidens has portfolio does.

You ate the bullshit.... you've been showed a fool.

America has not one single legitimate national security concern in Ukraine today. Not one.
This is about money, for Washington DC elites. Nothing else.

And they've betrayed thier own allies and now already start to stab each other in the back while the ship catches fire.

I choose to remember, that the Washington DC establishment does not stand for the American people anymore.

They stand for themselves and care nothing for us.

Their time is coming.

 

[hometeam]

After choking on Joe Bidens cock

You're a bit small minded. I know you hate Biden and will never support anything he does, but it's not just Joe Biden supporting Ukraine here. Over 40 different countries have sent Ukraine aid. You can't hate them all. The UN voted 141-5 to condemn Russia:

the same people that lied us into Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Libya and soo many others... And now... Ukraine

And they've betrayed thier own allies and now already start to stab each other in the back while the ship catches fire.

I choose to remember, that the Washington DC establishment does not stand for the American people anymore.

Any expert on geopolitics will tell you a monopolar world is more stable and with less conflict than a multipolar one. If you were going to pick a country to be the world's sole superpower, who would it be? Putin with his political assassinations and border expansions? Xi with his zero covid and human rights abuses? Or a free, democratic society like America?

Joe Bidens has portfolio does.

You're lacking perspective here. You're complaining about a President we can vote out with a crackhead son, meanwhile Putin and his people have had these people killed:

• Political opponents: Boris Nemtsov and Sergei Yushenkov, and also had Alexei Navalny put in jail
• Journalists: Anna Politkovskaya, Natalia Estemirova, Anastasia Baburova, Artyom Borovik, Ivan Safronov, Sergei Protazanov, Natalya Estemirova, Nikolai Potapov
• Business executives: Boris Berezovsky, Pavel Antov

It's just so oppressive and you can't have a free society under these conditions. And yet you want to nitpick the best country in the world, while supporting a country like this, because your guy isn't in power right now. How small minded are you? You can vote Joe Biden out of office, you can't vote Putin out.

It's a war they never should have provoked from the beginning.

No one threatened Russia or was going to invade Russia. Your argument that Putin was angry and he's a big dumb bear who can't help but attack when angry is weak. No one did any Jedi mind tricks on him.

If you have a problem with us getting involved go vote for the other guy in the next election, but now we're involved. At this point the debate about getting involved in Ukraine is done and over. We're $110 billion into it now, 7 in 10 people supported the aid, and now it's just a matter of who do you root for?

Do you support America, Europe, democracy and Ukraine who is just defending themself? Or you you support Putin and his band of dictators (Bashar al-Assad, Kim Jong Il, Ayatollah Khomeini, Alexander Lukashenko) in an unjustified invasion of a sovereign country they claim isn't a real country, isn't a real people?

 

[Hughinn]

You're a bit small minded. I know you hate Biden and will never support anything he does, but it's not just Joe Biden supporting Ukraine here. Over 40 different countries have sent Ukraine aid. You can't hate them all. The UN voted 141-5 to condemn Russia:

Any expert on geopolitics will tell you a monopolar world is more stable and with less conflict than a multipolar one. If you were going to pick a country to be the world's sole superpower, who would it be? Putin with his political assassinations and border expansions? Xi with his zero covid and human rights abuses? Or a free, democratic society like America?


You're lacking perspective here. You're complaining about a President we can vote out with a crackhead son, meanwhile Putin and his people have had these people killed:

• Political opponents: Boris Nemtsov and Sergei Yushenkov, and also had Alexei Navalny put in jail
• Journalists: Anna Politkovskaya, Natalia Estemirova, Anastasia Baburova, Artyom Borovik, Ivan Safronov, Sergei Protazanov, Natalya Estemirova, Nikolai Potapov
• Business executives: Boris Berezovsky, Pavel Antov

It's just so oppressive and you can't have a free society under these conditions. And yet you want to nitpick the best country in the world, while supporting a country like this, because your guy isn't in power right now. How small minded are you? You can vote Joe Biden out of office, you can't vote Putin out.


No one threatened Russia or was going to invade Russia. Your argument that Putin was angry and he's a big dumb bear who can't help but attack when angry is weak. No one did any Jedi mind tricks on him.

If you have a problem with us getting involved go vote for the other guy in the next election, but now we're involved. At this point the debate about getting involved in Ukraine is done and over. We're $110 billion into it now, 7 in 10 people supported the aid, and now it's just a matter of who do you root for?

Do you support America, Europe, democracy and Ukraine who is just defending themself? Or you you support Putin and his band of dictators (Bashar al-Assad, Kim Jong Il, Ayatollah Khomeini, Alexander Lukashenko) in an unjustified invasion of a sovereign country they claim isn't a real country, isn't a real people?

Lmfao

Last time we all heard that bullshit "defending democracy" we spent 20 years and killed hundreds of thousands of people to "liberate the Afghan people from the evil Taliban". Just to replace them with.....the Taliban


The same horseshit lies, over and over again.

It's just as stupid as the "they hate our freedom" lies

Except this time they bit off more than chew.

Ukraine is going to be a bigger embarrassment than Afghanistan.

That's the consequences of sponsoring coups, color revolutions and terrorism all over the world

Liberal Illusions Caused the Ukraine Crisis

The greatest tragedy about Russia’s potential invasion is how easily it could have been avoided.

foreignpolicy.com

 

[Hughinn]

And the bullshit they're setting up to pull in Hungary isn't going to work either.

It's entirely likely we're going to see the end of NATO

 

[hometeam]

Lmfao

Last time we all heard that bullshit "defending democracy"

Whether you're intelligent enough to understand it or not, there's a conflict going on between:
1. free democratic leaders like Biden, Rishi Sunak of the UK, Emmanuel Macron of France, Olaf Scholz of Germany etc
and
2. despotic authoritarian dictators like Putin, Bashar al-Assad, Kim Jong Il, Ayatollah Khomeini, Alexander Lukashenko.

Ukraine is the centerpiece of this conflict. Putin and his band of dictators doesn't want a Western democratic Ukraine on his border. Russians haven't had democracy in their 1000 year history, have no idea what it is, and once they see it in ukraine they might want that for themselves. Europe wants Ukraine as a European brother.

Stubb outlines it here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfqeApORYhY


But we know you hate democracy, you like dictators.

"liberate the Afghan people from the evil Taliban". Just to replace them with.....the Taliban

For someone who claims to be an American, you sure know very little about recent American history other that what they say on RT TV in Russia. Afghanistan was about al-Qaeda and 9-11. The Taliban was a sideshow, they were harboring al-Qaeda. And you sure seem to like autocratic regimes and want to see gay people oppressed, for someone who claims to be American.

And the bullshit they're setting up to pull in Hungary isn't going to work either.

It's entirely likely we're going to see the end of NATO

Oh please. Putin has troops in Armenia, Belarus, Moldova, parts of Georgia, he sent them into Khazakstan. He's running out of neighbors to invade!

NATO, on the other hand, is stronger than it's ever been. NATO falling apart is just some Russian fantasy. The more Putin threatens his neighbors, the more they want to band together, the more they beg for Western security assistance. NATO didn't expand Eastward... nobody asked these Eastern European countries like Poland, Bulgaria or Estonia to join NATO. They begged NATO to join, if Russia was your neighbor you would too. These Eastern European countries came to the West, not the other way around.

 

[hometeam]

One other observation about Russia: How many times does Russia have to collapse before they realize that their system of an authoritarian Tsar ruler with oligarchs and expansionism doesn't work in today's world? The Soviet Union tried that already with their bullying and expanding into neighbors, revanchism, the big lie, the iron fist, and an inability or refusal to modernize their culture or their economy. They may have been Europe's saviors at one point but the Soviet Union died because it doesn't work today. How many times do they have to keep attempting this before they finally adapt to the modern world like Britain and France has?

 

[Hughinn]

Whether you're intelligent enough to understand it or not, there's a conflict going on between:
1. free democratic leaders like Biden, Rishi Sunak of the UK, Emmanuel Macron of France, Olaf Scholz of Germany etc
and
2. despotic authoritarian dictators like Putin, Bashar al-Assad, Kim Jong Il, Ayatollah Khomeini, Alexander Lukashenko.

Ukraine is the centerpiece of this conflict. Putin and his band of dictators doesn't want a Western democratic Ukraine on his border. Russians haven't had democracy in their 1000 year history, have no idea what it is, and once they see it in ukraine they might want that for themselves. Europe wants Ukraine as a European brother.

Stubb outlines it here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfqeApORYhY


But we know you hate democracy, you like dictators.


For someone who claims to be an American, you sure know very little about recent American history other that what they say on RT TV in Russia. Afghanistan was about al-Qaeda and 9-11. The Taliban was a sideshow, they were harboring al-Qaeda. And you sure seem to like autocratic regimes and want to see gay people oppressed, for someone who claims to be American.


Oh please. Putin has troops in Armenia, Belarus, Moldova, parts of Georgia, he sent them into Khazakstan. He's running out of neighbors to invade!

NATO, on the other hand, is stronger than it's ever been. NATO falling apart is just some Russian fantasy. The more Putin threatens his neighbors, the more they want to band together, the more they beg for Western security assistance. NATO didn't expand Eastward... nobody asked these Eastern European countries like Poland, Bulgaria or Estonia to join NATO. They begged NATO to join, if Russia was your neighbor you would too. These Eastern European countries came to the West, not the other way around.

What a fukkin moron.

@hometeam idiot over here thinks his leadership is trying to "save the world"

When the truth is most of the world is trying to protect themselves from them.

 

[Hughinn]

One other observation about Russia: How many times does Russia have to collapse before they realize that their system of an authoritarian Tsar ruler with oligarchs and expansionism doesn't work in today's world? The Soviet Union tried that already with their bullying and expanding into neighbors, revanchism, the big lie, the iron fist, and an inability or refusal to modernize their culture or their economy. They may have been Europe's saviors at one point but the Soviet Union died because it doesn't work today. How many times do they have to keep attempting this before they finally adapt to the modern world like Britain and France has?

One real life observation about Russia, is that Ukraine matters more to Russia than it does anybody else except Ukrainian people.

This war was provoked by Washington DC meddling in other nations politics and their now tied into a war they started with no way out that saves face and no path to victory.

They fucked over the Ukrainian people, they fucked thier European allies and shit down the necks of the American taxpayers all while enriching themselves thinking they were destined to be holy liberal gods on earth and rule over everybody else.

Well that shit ain't happening. It's every bit as stupid as the fairytales you spew daily about "saving democracy" and fighting "supervillain cartoon characters"

Now they'll lose this war, the allies they backstabbed will forever be changed and the world stage will continue to move away from Washington as the bullying and robbing is simply to much to bear. Nobody, not even thier own allies and citizens trust them anymore.

The few "friends" they claim to have keep them at a safe distance while the rest of the world is trying to figure out how to avoid them altogether.

 

[Hughinn]

Yeah yeah, we all know you think Russia should rule Europe because Russia will keep their gay people in the closet. In Soviet times Russia imprisoned about 1,000 men a year for being openly gay, and we all know Russia misses the 1970s.


Russia has invaded both Ukraine and Poland before. They were part of the Russian empire for many years, since Catherine the Great, and later the Soviet Union. The border Russia gave between the two republics has been at dispute. Poland believes Lviv is a Polish city. Just like Crimea was never part of Ukraine until Kruschev decided it should be in 1954.

But what these Russian orcs like @Hughinn don't seem to realize is in the latter half of the 20th century, the world entered a period of respecting each other's sovereignty - certainly in Europe and certainly from 1990 on. No more colonies, no more annexations... everybody respects everybody's borders. Russia just wants to buck that trend. In 1991 when the Soviet Union dissolved, 1 country became 14 with half the population and 1/3 the economy and now they're weak and poor and want their empire back.

View: https://youtu.be/qEu0oRajJxE?t=178



The US hasn't had a new state since Hawaii in 1959. Peurto Rico keeps voting no to be the 51st state and we let them be. The EU won't let Ukraine join yet, citing 7 areas they need to improve. NATO denied their application in 2008 and it hasn't been on the table since. So Washington isn't going to "get" Ukraine, at least not in the same way Russia is trying to. Like I said, orcs don't seem to realize the US isn't like Russia, we don't annex territories.

If you mean Washington will westernize Ukraine and US companies will invest there and turn a profit then go me a river. That would be a good thing and those are things Ukraine has been begging the West to do for many years. Wouldn't you if you lived next to a very poor, despotic, aggressive country like Russia who doesn't even believe Ukraine is a country or Ukrainians are a people?

No, Washington will take whatever part of Ukraine Russia doesn't.

And I don't care if the entire NATO army mobilized against Russia. They'll just get the world nuked. And even if Russia didn't launch nukes, they're not going to defeat Russia in a land war. Not going to happen.


The best thing to do, is mind your own business

But Washington wants to rule the world.

 

[Hughinn]

At this point, any rational American should wonder why an idiot like @hometeam would be howling for war and death to propagate what?

An economic system and government structure that benifits only the powerful elite.

Liberals want to rule the world. They think they're better than everyone else and that only an idiot like @hometeam could understand why it's necessary to kill hundreds of thousands of people in order to spread a noxious ideology that will benifit who?

Not American people, not Ukrainian people, not anybody that just works to make an honest living.

But to propagate an ideology...and let's be clear...to push a religion...that benifits the people at the top. That's it.

This idiot @hometeam is perfectly fine with the murder and destruction necessary to bring his ideology to people who don't want it.

Is his ideology worth killing for? To him certainly, as he's made very clear.

But to the various diverse people of the world who just want to rule themselves on thier own terms, this is the same old "born onto sin" bullshit that was pushed centuries ago to put specific people in charge of the exploitation and distribution of resources.

And that's it. This fukkin idiot @hometeam is no different than a jihadist in Arabia somewhere who thinks everyone should bow to his Sharia law and his god.

Except @hometeam has a religion where government replaces god and woke ideology is the doctrine instead of scripture. It's the same old bullshit.

He's cheering on the "crusade" and "holy war". But instead of pushing religious dogma, he's pushing woke ideology and government structure as a way to the "utopia" that all religious zealot idiots have as their motivation to justify the lies they tell themselves and everyone else

 

[Big_paul]

I wonder is Putin as insane as Hitler? If Hitler could have ended civilization in April of 45 would he have? Does anyone think Putin will not take 8 billion people with him if he fails, and failure is much different in Russia than losing an election and having a few thousand imbeciles take a shit on capital hill?

 

[hometeam]

No, Washington will take whatever part of Ukraine Russia doesn't.

And I don't care if the entire NATO army mobilized against Russia. They'll just get the world nuked. And even if Russia didn't launch nukes, they're not going to defeat Russia in a land war. Not going to happen.


The best thing to do, is mind your own business

But Washington wants to rule the world.

Why are you repeating these mantras after I just educated you and you should know better? Didn't you read?

First of all, Americans aren't orcs. We won't "get" Ukraine like the Russians are trying to do. Ukraine won't be the 51st state. Ukraine has been begging the West to invest there and turn a profit for many years. You're fine with Russia getting Ukraine, then you condemn the US for doing what Russia is doing and the US isn't even doing that.

Secondly, A didn't invade B because of C. I laid out exactly what happened with Yanukovych above. You haven't disputed any of it. It was clear he needed to go after the Berkut fired on those protesters. And we know for a fact that the Russian FSB was there when they were firing on protesters, not the CIA.

Ukraine crisis: What we know about the Kiev snipers

Controversy surrounds the mass shooting of protesters in Kiev which precipitated the downfall of former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.

www.bbc.com

"Agents of [Russia's Federal Security Service] the FSB took part in both the planning and execution of the so-called anti-terrorist operation," he told reporters. Unidentified Russians were present at SBU headquarters during the protests in Kiev this winter, he said."

You have yet to say exactly what you think the US did here other than show some pictures of people shaking hands. Yanukovych fled on his own accord, never came back. And nobody in the West ever played a Jedi mind trick on Putin or ever thought Russia invading Ukraine would be a good thing.

Lastly, "Ukraine matters more to Russia than it does anybody else except Ukrainian people" Really? Says who? Here's a video of Russian conscripts reporting to a conscription office:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqx_-OHE1Hk

They're asked why they are fighting. How many do you think says it's because Ukraine is important to them? Zero. It's important to their Tsar, not them. Most of them don't even know why they're there. If it was important, Putin would've mobilized before invading and called it a war not a special military operation. And 500k Russians wouldn't have fled Russia once the mobilization was announced.

We're $110 billion into it now, 7 in 10 people supported the aid, so whether you like it or not we're involved. Now it's just a matter of who do you root for?
Do you support America, Europe, democracy and Ukraine who is just defending themself? Or you you support Putin and his band of dictators (Bashar al-Assad, Kim Jong Il, Ayatollah Khomeini, Alexander Lukashenko) in an unjustified invasion of a sovereign country they claim isn't a real country, isn't a real people?