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No, that's a bold faced lie. You've got a minority of "realists" saying that much like the libertarians in America and then you've got Radosław Sikorski of Poland telling us what actually what happened:
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No, that's a bold faced lie. You've got a minority of "realists" saying that much like the libertarians in America and then you've got Radosław Sikorski of Poland telling us what actually what happened:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTPc06J09vU&t=445s
and Carl Bildt as well:
View: https://youtu.be/1SpwzmPaID0?t=1232
and Alexander Stubb too:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlB-pRqdyBg
Your version of what Europe thinks is not the mainstream version. All European countries (and the majority of people in these countries) are in support of Ukraine. You think we don't have any Ukrainians or Russians that fled their country in America? Or Somalians, Nigerians, Hmong, Cubans, Venezuelans, Filipinos for that matter? The price of oil and natural gas in Europe is actually lower now than before the invasion. There is no European crisis.
It's kind of funny because Boris Johnson says Putin once threatened his life, and he also goes on to say what actually happened:
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Oh c'mon, what is wrong with you that you want to say these protesters fired on and killed themselves? Who hurt you? Are you off your meds? Sure, in the fog of war people say shots came from all over different directions and there was a conservatory building the protesters controlled but as I told you the Berkut has been tried and convicted and sheltered in Russia.
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You think we don't have any Ukrainians or Russians that fled their country in America? Or Somalians, Nigerians, Hmong, Cubans, Venezuelans, Filipinos for that matter? The price of oil and natural gas in Europe is actually lower now than before the invasion. There is no European crisis.
It's kind of funny because Boris Johnson says Putin once threatened his life, and he also goes on to say what actually happened:
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No, it doesn't. Some people say they heard shots fired from the hotel the govt controlled, some say they heard shots fired from the conservatory the protesters controlled, or behind the conservatory. But we know they didn't kill themselves. It's along the lines of no little green men in Crimea, Putin has no ties to these militias, Putin knows nothing about chemical weapons in Syria and so on. It's part of their playbook to deny everything, no matter how ridiculous it sounds:
No, it doesn't. Some people say they heard shots fired from the hotel the govt controlled, some say they heard shots fired from the conservatory the protesters controlled, or behind the conservatory. But we know they didn't kill themselves. It's along the lines of no little green men in Crimea, Putin has no ties to these militias, Putin knows nothing about chemical weapons in Syria and so on. It's part of their playbook to deny everything, no matter how ridiculous it sounds:
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And you actually believe it? Or are you just furthering an agenda with this nonsense? We know the FSB was there that day not the CIA:
Russian Spies Behind Kiev Killers
Following on a Daily Beast report, Ukrainian authorities say that Russian advisers and ex-President Yanukovych played a direct role in the slaughter of protesters on February 20.www.thedailybeast.com
I read it, ok. It says it was a false flag operation. It is not peer reviewed or published. It's just one guy out of the University of Ottawa, Ivan Katchanovski, saying his open source "research." He does not have any expertise in ballistics or forensics. Almost nobody has read it. He presented it at a conference. It was received coldly. And then another guy, David Marples from the University of Alberta, called it "not academic", "chaotic" and "politically driven."
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I read it, ok. It says it was a false flag operation. It is not peer reviewed or published. It's just one guy out of the University of Ottawa, Ivan Katchanovski, saying his open source "research." He does not have any expertise in ballistics or forensics. Almost nobody has read it. He presented it at a conference. It was received coldly. And then another guy, David Marples from the University of Alberta, called it "not academic", "chaotic" and "politically driven."
The "Snipers' Massacre" in Kyiv - Euromaidan Press
Article by: David Marples On October 17, at a symposium on “Negotiating Borders” organized by the Canadian Institute…
The fact is there was a lot of chaos that day and people have trouble figuring out where all the bullets came from, but afterwards it was clear the President had to go... and he left on his own two feet, assisted by a Russian special forces helicopter. The only plausible denial the Russians can give is they killed themselves, but they didn't.
Dr. Taras Kuzio of the University of Alberta Ukrainian Studies and Johns Hopkins Advanced International Relations had more criticism:
The Study of Ukrainian Nationalism at the University of Ottawa
In October of this year, Ivan Katchanovski who is based at the School of Political
So what happened to you that you actually believe this stuff?
I know man, I follow your stuff here and on ugbb. I agree with you and here people who are not dumb enough to buy in to American propoganda bs also think the same. I read your posts, it's just that I rarely chime in to avoid fighting with ignorant people, its like fighting with bunch of drunk people...
It doesn't take a genius to see who invaded who in 2022, that they didn't have to do it, and who attacked who in 2014 with Crimea and the Donbas. That doesn't change just because you get within driving distance of Ukraine. The only thing that's really debated is the reason they did it, and support for Ukraine only grows stronger in those neighboring countries like Poland and Finland.
Even which buildings were controlled by the protesters and which controlled by the government and how much they were controlled (and over which time frame) is debated. Here's Ivan's footage that he draws his conclusions from and it's clear you can't draw any conclusions from it:
What forensic evidence? Ivan Katchanovski is not a forensic scientist, not a policeman, was not there, did not go there and collect forensic evidence he just found stuff online. He's a Ukrainian political science teacher out of Canada. His work was not peer reviewed or published - no one would publish it, he presented it to a political science conference in Canada and people got pissed. Professor Kuzio got so pissed he did a point by point rebuttal:
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As for what Europeans think, it's not hard to look that up:
"74% of EU citizens approve of the European Union's support for Ukraine following Russia's invasion, according to the survey conducted between 12 October and 7 November 2022. In all EU Member States, a majority of citizens approve of the EU’s support, with highest support levels shown in Sweden (97%), Finland (95%), the Netherlands (93%), Portugal (92%), and Denmark (92%)."
I think there was kind of a panic in European countries like Germany over the summer about gas prices and the economy but that has died down and turned out to be unwarranted.EU citizens’ support for Ukraine is solid, Eurobarometer survey finds | News | European Parliament
Democracy remains the most important value EU citizens want Parliament to stand up for. 72% of respondents believe their country has benefited from being an EU member.www.europarl.europa.eu
Just because you live in Europe doesn't mean you understand something in Eastern Europe better than someone in America. In fact John Mearsheimer of Chicago has become kind of a rock star among so-called "realists" on Ukraine in Poland, and people like Mike McFaul and William Burns in the US govt are so knowledgeable on Putin/Russia/Ukraine that most Europeans defer to their knowledge. Biden himself has a longstanding history with Putin being the head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for 12 years and after that being Obama's point man on Russia for 8 years because Putin didn't appear to like a black President or Bill Clinton's wife who was Secretary of State.
