Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[Hughinn]

Tell me what changed?

Tell me the difference between the UK and the British empire.

Then you've answered your own stupid question.

The only difference is the state run industries became owned by Putin's friends.

Is that any different than most media outlets, banking interests and monetary interests are all Joe Bidens friends and donors?

No, Putin is trying to a Stalinist Tsar and Russia is trying to become the old Russian empire. Look at his essay on Ukraine, Belarus and Russia historically being united and it only being the West keeping them apart and weak.

On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And tell me they're not. It's not LMAO funny.

Lmfao.
"Putin is a megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination and is the modern equivalent of Hitler"

Hey bitch, you ever heard about chicken little?

Germany invading Poland ended up killing 400,000 Americans, including many in rural Louisiana. If you can't see how 21st century Russian expansion can easily do the same, that's called small mindedness. There's more to this than Biden's re-election.

No, there isn't.

Joe Biden gets re elected, we keep on fighting foreign wars on behalf of international banking interests.

If he loses, we don't.

There really isn't any more to this story for American taxpayers

Even if I'm wrong about this, Washington is wrong about this, and Europe is wrong about this it's reasonable to think so after Putin's speeches and Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine. It's reasonable to contain it. And we're not even shedding any blood to contain it we're just giving the Ukrainians the resources to do what they want to do.

You're absolutely stupid and completely wrong about it.

Washington is out for themselves, not American people. They've lied to Americans for decades to enrich themselves.

They lied about Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Libya, Venezuela, Syria, Laos, Korea, Sudan, Yemen, Vietnam, and too many other places to list.

But, it's your stupid azz preaching we should believe them about Ukraine?


And above all, you still have not answered me.

OF WHAT THREAT TO AMERICAN CITIZENS LIBERTY, FREEDOM, PROPERTY AND WAY OF LIFE IS ANYBODY IN RUSSIA?

OF WHAT THREAT TO AMERICAN LIBERTY, RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS IS JOE BIDEN?

Cut the bullshit.

Answer the questions

 

[Hughinn]

Where?

You dumb fuck.

For the last time

NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard | National Security Archive

Western leaders gave multiple assurances against NATO expansion to Gorbachev in 1990-1991 according to declassified American, Russian, British, Germans documents

nsarchive.gwu.edu

 

[Hughinn]

Where are these documents and transcripts you claim you posted about this "not one inch" promise?

Just because someone more educated than you, whose studied it more than you, comes to a different conclusion than you doesn't mean they're lying. More likely than not you're simply misinformed.

And you've got to keep in mind that your "Biden's not in charge he has handlers who forced Putin to invade and can call the war off at any time, and the Ukrainians are losing so bad NATO troops are going in soon" is not one shared by anyone who knows what they're talking about. Just because their conclusion doesn't match your worldview doesn't mean they're lying. More likely than not you're just delusional.

I've posted it numerous times you stupid bastard.

You're posting bullshit opinions from academics that make their fortunes in Washington.

I'm posting NSA archived documents showing their lying

You're truly a grotesque person of inconceivable stupidity

NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard | National Security Archive

Western leaders gave multiple assurances against NATO expansion to Gorbachev in 1990-1991 according to declassified American, Russian, British, Germans documents

nsarchive.gwu.edu

 

[hometeam]

OF WHAT THREAT TO AMERICAN CITIZENS LIBERTY, FREEDOM, PROPERTY AND WAY OF LIFE IS ANYBODY IN RUSSIA?

OF WHAT THREAT TO AMERICAN LIBERTY, RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS IS JOE BIDEN?

Cut the bullshit.

Answer the questions

I answered the question, first of all Putin and his allies (Bashar al-Assad, Ayatolla Khomeini, Kim Jong Il, and Alexander Lukashenko) are promoting an anti-democratic iron fist way of government throughout the world.

That's not enough for you? The liberty, prosperity, and way of life of our allies in Europe is in fact linked to our own. The last time there was such an invasion in Europe 400,000 Americans died because Germany invaded Poland, and Putin's own essay says he believes Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are historically united and the only thing keeping them apart and weak is the West:

On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So cut the crap. This is more important than your Biden fetish, and wish to oppose every decision he makes and wish to see him fail no matter how that affects the country. This is more important than 5% of our defense budget and spinning every topic in the news to meet your party's agenda.

 

[Hughinn]

I answered the question, first of all Putin and his allies (Bashar al-Assad, Ayatolla Khomeini, Kim Jong Il, and Alexander Lukashenko) are promoting an anti-democratic iron fist way of government throughout the world.

That's not enough for you? The liberty, prosperity, and way of life of our allies in Europe is in fact linked to our own. 400,000 Americans died because Germany invaded Poland and Putin's own essay says Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are historically united and the only thing keeping them apart is thye West:

On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So cut the crap. This is more important than your Biden fetish, and wish to oppose every decision he makes and wish to see him fail no matter how that affects the country. This is more important than 5% of our defense budget.

You haven't answered the question at all.

You're wiggling like a reptile.

European economics are not synonymous with American citizens liberty. Nor is the choices in governance of the worlds diverse people

Neither is old ethnic fueds of corrupt Eastern European ogliarchies that paid Joe Biden.

It doesn't matter what kind of government ukranian people choose to the liberty of American citizens.

So stop the bullshit

And answer the question


OF WHAT THREAT TO AMERICAN CITIZENS LIBERTY, FREEDOM, PROPERTY AND WAY OF LIFE IS ANYBODY IN RUSSIA?

OF WHAT THREAT TO AMERICAN LIBERTY, RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS IS JOE BIDEN?

That question doesn't have anything to do with politics in Ukraine, Europe or Russia and everything to do with politics in America.

So stop slithering around the question like a snake and answer it, or go the fuck away

 

[hometeam]

OF WHAT THREAT TO AMERICAN CITIZENS LIBERTY, FREEDOM, PROPERTY AND WAY OF LIFE IS ANYBODY IN RUSSIA?

WWIII is the exact same threat to our liberty, freedom, prosperity and way of life that WWII was. All these world wars started with a series of invasions in Europe that should've been contained. What is it about this that doesn't compute for you?

This isn't a world where we can say this is so far away it doesn't affect us and just let Russia grab everything it wants. We will be dragged into it eventually.

OF WHAT THREAT TO AMERICAN LIBERTY, RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS IS JOE BIDEN?

None whatsoever. It's just part of your Biden fetish to push this idea.

 

[Hughinn]

WWIII is the exact same threat to our liberty, freedom, prosperity and way of life that WWII was. All these world wars started with a series of invasions in Europe that should've been contained. What is it about this that doesn't compute for you?

Except we don't have any interest in ww3 except for monetary interests of Joe Biden and his billionaire corporate donors.

American citizens do not.

This isn't a world where we can say this is so far away it doesn't affect us. We will be dragged into it eventually.

"Dragged into it"?

Washington started it.

There was no more need to instigate ww3 than there is to fight it for the American people.

None whatsoever. It's just part of your fetish to say that.

Really?

"Putin" is not threatening or questioning the constitutional liberty and rights of American citizens.

Joe Biden is

 

[hometeam]

Except we don't have any interest in ww3

Of course we don't! But look what happens if we did nothing and Ukraine becomes Russia:

Suddenly Russia shares borders with the NATO member countries of Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania. They all have history with Russia. They will arm themselves to the teeth... good for the US arms industry, bad for peace. Putin currently has troops in Moldova, wants Belarus. Lviv is historically a Polish city.

You can't see WWIII breaking out there?

 

[hometeam]

You're absolutely stupid and completely wrong about it.

And we should just trust Putin that his expansion ends in the Donbas, after he just attacked Kiev? And Kharkiv and Kherson. Has troops in Moldova and Belarus. Are you nuts?

Explain how Putin is a greater threat to the freedom, rights and Liberty of the American people than Joe Biden.

You just can't do it

You say you're not a Putin lover, but that's the only explanation for this. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Right wing American extremists have become so extreme they've found an enemy in the party in power and NATO, and an ally in the Kremlin. What happened to you that warped your mind this badly?

 

[Hughinn]

Of course we don't! But look what happens if we did nothing and Ukraine becomes Russia:

Lmfao

You don't even realize how stupid you sound do you?

Russia is no more capable of occupying Poland or anywhere else that the population doesn't want them there than Washington was capable of occupying Afghanistan.

Russia is going to take the Eastern parts of the Donbass and because they have the support of the people that live there. And that's as much the fault of the US/Washington coup and Ukraine itself as much as it is Russia.

Crimean people for example will fight Ukrainian occupation at this point every bit as hard as Kyiv would fight Russia

Romania, Hungary etc don't have any reason to fear Russia unless they create one. Like Washington did with Ukrainian Nazi militia and Kiev ogliarchs.

Suddenly Russia shares borders with the NATO member countries of Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania. They all have history with Russia. They will arm themselves to the teeth..

Lmfao

Contradicting yourself again here.

Russia could not occupy such large anti Russian populations even if they wanted to.

And there's no evidence whatsoever they even want to.
A stupid essay from decades ago is not evidence of anything. Putin still has a Russian parliament and a nation to answer to.

. good for the US arms industry, bad for peace. Putin currently has troops in Moldova, wants Belarus. Lviv is historically a Polish city.

You can't see WWIII breaking out there?

Obviously the potential for catastrophe and war exist here. Primarily because Washington refuses to negotiate for peace.

 

[Hughinn]

And we should just trust Putin that his expansion ends in the Donbas, after he just attacked Kiev? And Kharkiv and Kherson. Has troops in Moldova and Belarus. Are you nuts?

Lmfao.
You're nuts if you think it's even remotely possible for Russia to expand outside of the places where it has the support of the people.

Washington can't do it. They've certainly tried and failed Multiple times, all over the world. I'm sure they'd love to fly the rainbow flag over Tehran and Moscow. But that's not possible, because the people there don't want it.

And Belarus? Well, they're supporters of Russia. They're trading partners and allies. What's the problem with that?

You say you're not a Putin lover, but that's the only explanation for this. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Right wing American extremists have become so extreme they've found an enemy in the party in power and NATO, and an ally in the Kremlin. What happened to you that warped your mind this badly?

Lmfao again!

What happened?
Start with thirty solid years of lies, war and deceit from Washington and it's not hard to understand.

It's not "extremist" in the least to distrust a regime that has lied to it's own citizens and most of the world for nearly a half century.

For fucks sake, you idiot, Washington's closest allies don't trust them. Most of the world tries to avoid them and anybody strong enough is doing everything they can to protect themselves from Washington.

Washington is no more trustworthy than the Kremlin, Beijing, or anybody else at this point.

 

[hometeam]

And Belarus? Well, they're supporters of Russia. They're trading partners and allies. What's the problem with that?

Belarus has a dictator, who Putin can bully around. That's what has kept the peace, for now. Here's a tip: you probably shouldn't call others stupid when you yourself doesn't know what Putin said about Belarus in his essay. Belarus is next.

Lmfao.
You're nuts if you think it's even remotely possible for Russia to expand outside of the places where it has the support of the people.

You've already said having NATO on it's border is a red line for Russia, right? And you support that red line.

But in case this is a bit above your small minded red neck rural Louisiana head... Russia doesn't have to invade Poland to start WWIII. No one has invaded anyone in Europe for 80 years since WWII and Russia is trying to break that precedent here. Russia is trying to say it's okay to invade your neighbors if you don't like what's going on there. Once that happens and they get away with it, what's to stop Poland from invading and capturing Lviv (which would now be Russia)? Lviv is historically a Polish city but also historically part of the Russia empire. Poland has said they want it back.

Not to mention NATO member states Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania that border Ukraine/Russia would be starting a counter insurgency in there, fostering war like Putin did in the Donbas for 8 years. And you think this is something we wouldn't get dragged into even if we did nothing and stuck our head in the sand?

Just look at this map and tell me that letting Putin take whatever he wants is safer for our national security and world security than defensive aid to Ukraine and containment:

 

[hometeam]

And we have military bases in Europe. Condemn them if you want but they're welcome there, they keep the peace and they aren't going away:

 

[Hughinn]

Belarus has a dictator, who Putin can bully around. That's what has kept the peace, for now. Here's a tip: you probably shouldn't call others stupid when you yourself doesn't know what Putin said about Belarus in his essay. Belarus is next.

You keep spewing this irrelevant bullshit about "Putin's essay"
Nobody cares


You should read some of the shit Joe Biden has said throughout his career.

And if the president of Belarus is a Putin stooge, then zelensky is obviously a puppet of Washington.

What's the difference?

You've already said having NATO on it's border is a red line for Russia, right? And you support that red line.

No Russia said that was thier red line.

My suggestion is to respect it, instead of stepping over, just it to squat and shit right in front of them, then lie to act confused when it triggered them into action.

But in case this is a bit above your small minded red neck rural Louisiana head... Russia doesn't have to invade Poland to start WWIII.

No shit Sherlock?

Then why do you keep saying Russia will invade Poland

Lmfao

No one has invaded anyone in Europe for 80 years since WWII

Horseshit.

Yugoslavia, Serbia Kosovo etc. All NATO and Washington meddling

Russia is trying to say it's okay to invade your neighbors if you don't like what's going on there.

Washington does that all of the time.

Why don't you have a problem with it when they do it?

Once that happens and they get away with it, what's to stop Poland from invading and capturing Lviv (which would now be Russia)? Lviv is historically a Polish city but also historically part of the Russia empire. Poland has said they want it back.

Not to mention NATO member states Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania that border Ukraine/Russia would be starting a counter insurgency in there, fostering war like Putin did in the Donbas for 8 years. And you think this is something we wouldn't get dragged into even if we did nothing and stuck our head in the sand?

In other words, it's stupid to pretend like Russia, Washington, Poland or anyone else can invade and occupy a territory where the local population does not support it.

So why do you keep lying through your teeth that Russia is somehow going to invade Poland, Hungary, Romania etc.

You're making yourself look stupid again

Just look at this map and tell me that letting Putin take whatever he wants is safer for our national security and world security than defensive aid to Ukraine and containment:

"Take whatever he wants"

Lmfao

You just said it isn't even possible, even if he wanted to without the support of the local population.

You're really an idiot and you just keep proving it

 

[hometeam]

In other words, it's stupid to pretend like Russia, Washington, Poland or anyone else can invade and occupy a territory where the local population does not support it.

Lviv is a Polish city in Ukraine that Poland wants back. What has kept the peace is:
1)the UN
2)the rules based order in Europe over the last 80 years since WWII that no one invades anyone
3)Ukraine has been Westernizing and becoming like Poland

Now if Russia succeeds in taking Kiev, conquers Ukraine, installs Yanukovych, that all goes away.

You keep spewing this irrelevant bullshit about "Putin's essay"
Nobody cares

Anyone cares who wants to know what Putin thinks of Ukraine, Belarus, Russia and the West and why he started this war, where he's going with it:

On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's a bit more important than your Libertarian podcaster's spin on it.

Horseshit.

Yugoslavia, Serbia Kosovo etc. All NATO and Washington meddling

This shows a basic lack of understanding of that conflict. Yugoslavia was not an invasion is was a breakup of the country's 6 federated republics

This is why Gorbachev and Yeltsin didn't like NATO supporting the separatist Serbs. It was too much like the breakup of the Soviet Union, which they also (wrongly) blame on the West.

But except for the secession of the Serbs and Kosovo, the borders in Europe have indeed been frozen since WWII, the US and UN have guaranteed that, and this has been a good thing for peace and prosperity.

In other words, it's stupid to pretend like Russia, Washington, Poland or anyone else can invade and occupy a territory where the local population does not support it.

So why do you keep lying through your teeth that Russia is somehow going to invade Poland, Hungary, Romania etc.

You're making yourself look stupid again



"Take whatever he wants"

Lmfao

You just said it isn't even possible, even if he wanted to without the support of the local population.

You're really an idiot and you just keep proving it

I'm not saying Putin would ultimately break the will of all the Ukrainian people and make them submit to him. I'm saying without our aid he would occupy Ukraine while the bordering states Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania are promoting a counter-insurgency in Ukraine, arming themselves to the teeth, and Poland wants Lviv back. And Belarus is next.

You don't see a mess like that possibly causing WWIII? You don't see us getting dragged into it no matter what we do? With the bases we have in Poland, Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria?

So, go ahead and "LMAO this" and "stupid that" but leave the national security comments to the experts. This is about more than just your Biden fetish.

 

[Fautquejyaille]

And we have military bases in Europe. Condemn them if you want but they're welcome there, they keep the peace and they aren't going away:

Usa peace !!!!!! Just war
Shut up
Usa =the true criminal and terrorist state

 

[Hughinn]

Lviv is a Polish city in Ukraine that Poland wants back. What has kept the peace is:
1)the UN
2)the rules based order in Europe over the last 80 years since WWII that no one invades anyone
3)Ukraine has been Westernizing and becoming like Poland

Now if Russia succeeds in taking Kiev, conquers Ukraine, installs Yanukovych, that all goes away.

Idiot....you just agreed that Russia has no chance of occupying all of Ukraine, or invading and occupying Poland.

Now you talking bullshit "what if" rabbit holes to justify Washington expanding hostile military alliances into unfriendly territories based on stupid assed "what ifs" you just acknowledged yourself is stupid fantasyland bullshit.

Really bud, you need to give this up.

You just keep making yourself look like an idiot

Anyone cares who wants to know what Putin thinks of Ukraine, Belarus, Russia and the West and why he started this war, where he's going with it:

On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's a bit more important than your Libertarian podcaster's spin on it.

Is it more important than what Joe Biden thinks about school integration? Constitutional liberty? Foreign policy?

I'm American, why can't we talk about shit that really matters here instead

This shows a basic lack of understanding of that conflict. Yugoslavia was not an invasion is was a breakup of the country's 6 federated republics

This is why Gorbachev and Yeltsin didn't like NATO supporting the separatist Serbs. It was too much like the breakup of the Soviet Union, which they also (wrongly) blame on the West.

But except for the secession of the Serbs and Kosovo, the borders in Europe have indeed been frozen since WWII, the US and UN have guaranteed that, and this has been a good thing for peace and prosperity.

In other words, you lied. Borders did change in Europe and NATO did indeed have a part in it. Especially when they bombed certain people to help others.

So you lied.... again when you said European borders haven't changed and only did now because of Russia.

Obviously that's bullshit

I'm not saying Putin would ultimately break the will of all the Ukrainian people and make them submit to him. I'm saying without our aid he would occupy Ukraine while the bordering states Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania are promoting a counter-insurgency in Ukraine, arming themselves to the teeth, and Poland wants Lviv back. And Belarus is next.

In other words, once again, you admit your own line of bullshit is utterly delusional and ridiculous.

Putin could not ever successfully occupy Ukraine, Poland, Hungary, etc and pretending like fighting a proxy war in Ukraine as a pretext for preventing such a delusional idea is a total lie.

Lmfao.... you've shot your own stupid argument right in the ass.


Why don't you just fuck off? You're a bad joke dude

You don't see a mess like that possibly causing WWIII? You don't see us getting dragged into it no matter what we do? With the bases we have in Poland, Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria?

So, go ahead and "LMAO this" and "stupid that" but leave the national security comments to the experts. This is about more than just your Biden fetish.

"National security expert's?

Well most of them all agree NATO expansion was a bad idea.


Obviously they were right.

Maybe Washington should try to broker peace instead?

Ignored Warnings: How NATO Expansion Led to the Current Ukraine Tragedy

History will show that Washington’s treatment of Russia in the decades following the demise of the Soviet Union was a policy blunder of epic proportions.

www.cato.org

 

[hometeam]

Idiot....you just agreed that Russia has no chance of occupying all of Ukraine, or invading and occupying Poland.

Not with NATO sending aid like this, no they have no chance. In case you haven't noticed they still don't even control Bakhmut after 8 months of assaulting it. This is not an asymmetrical war this is symmetrical, because of the NATO weapons.

But without aid, yes Russia would by occupying Ukraine. Ukraine would've run out of equipment somewhere around July. Is this disputed by the Russians, US, NATO, Ukraine, General Bakshi? Is this something you think I've been inconsistent about? I think it's more likely you're misunderstanding me. And even if Russia was occupying Ukraine you'd have that counter-insurgency guerilla war I was referring to because Ukraine isn't giving up any time soon.

Is it more important than what Joe Biden thinks about school integration? Constitutional liberty? Foreign policy?

I'm American, why can't we talk about shit that really matters here instead

None of that relates to the Ukraine War, except that you want your guy running the country instead and you feel if Ukraine succeed Biden succeeds. You have a fetish with spinning every topic in the news into a Biden outrage or Biden failure, so you've become a Putin lover.

In other words, you lied. Borders did change in Europe and NATO did indeed have a part in it. Especially when they bombed certain people to help others.

So you lied.... again when you said European borders haven't changed and only did now because of Russia.

Obviously that's bullshit

Go ahead and reread what I wrote, because you just aren't understanding it. I'll help you, I wrote:
"No one has invaded anyone in Europe for 80 years since WWII"
That is not a lie. I didn't say anything about borders not ever changing. The Kosovo War was a civil war fought in Yugoslavia, where the UN eventually went in and stopped people from fighting and Yugoslavia broke up. So borders have changed in just one country, internally.

And none of that changes my original point: The last time there was such an invasion in Europe 400,000 Americans died because Germany invaded Poland. After WWII we formed the UN and said now we respect each others border and no one invades anyone. Russia is trying to break that 80 year precedent here. Russia is trying to say it's okay to invade your neighbors if you don't like what's going on there.

Putin could not ever successfully occupy Ukraine, Poland, Hungary, etc and pretending like fighting a proxy war in Ukraine as a pretext for preventing such a delusional idea is a total lie.

He doesn't need to. All he needs is for one missile to be shot from one side to the other to start WWIII. And you're telling me that doesn't affect our national security in any way whatsoever?

Well most of them all agree NATO expansion was a bad idea.

No, most of them agreed it was a good idea with small minority of outliers who disagreed on Ukraine and Georgia joining- which is why Georgia and Ukraine never got into NATO and wasn't going to for the foreseeable future.

Remember? You need a unanimous vote to join NATO. And we didn't ask Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Romania to join NATO, they asked us. We unanimously agreed. In hindsight, they were right to ask us. In hindsight, we were right to protect them to contain Russian expansion.

 

[hometeam]

Usa peace !!!!!! Just war
Shut up
Usa =the true criminal and terrorist state

Until now, the only war we've seen in Europe is the Yugoslavia civil war, so you can thank the US for that 80 years of relative peace in Europe. And Yugoslavia would've been much worse if not for the US/NATO/UN too

Most of Europe doesn't even spend 2% of their GDP on their military. Why? Because they've got the US protecting them. See all those bases? They are wanted there. And in the event of WWIII, it's best to have your military spread out.

 

[Hughinn]

Until now, the only war we've seen in Europe is the Yugoslavia civil war, so you can thank the US for that 80 years of relative peace in Europe. And Yugoslavia would've been much worse if not for the US/NATO/UN too

Idiot.

You can also thank the US for the end of that peace.

And you have no idea what Yugoslavia or anyone else would have come to without US interventionists creating wars and chaos.

Most of Europe doesn't even spend 2% of their GDP on their military. Why? Because they've got the US protecting them. See all those bases? They are wanted there.

Bullshit.

They have to tolerate those bases. Nothing more

And in the event of WWIII, it's best to have your military spread out.

There's no need for a ww3 except that Washington want one