Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[hometeam]

So Russia doesn't get to have spheres of influence or draw red lines, but Washington does...

Yes. Bush Sr and James Baker told them this when the Berlin Wall came down. Bill Clinton also told them this, and famously when the first wave of NATO expansion happened there was no Russian objection. They didn't say "hey you said you wouldn't do this." Bush Jr told them this when they attacked Georgia. Biden and Hillary Clinton told them this during the Obama reset.

View: https://youtu.be/443WY8TTd-Q?t=2610


They said: you don't get to have spheres of influence or red lines... no more than India does or France does, because today Russia is no more powerful than India or France (who are both nuclear powers.) Russia just can't get this through their thick, history driven skulls.

Now, if Russia was to annex Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Georgia and Kazakhstan maybe they'd be a great power again, but we also told them we won't let them do that. NATO will oppose it. We won't even let them start doing that, though we did let them get away with Crimea. And you can clearly see this has been Russia's mistake not ours. They need to modernize their culture and economy and learn to get along with their neighbors and the world.

 

[hometeam]

View: https://youtu.be/2jXLcCrLrh4?t=227
"Biden was crystal clear that, even as we sought a reset with Russia, we weren't going to renege on our basic principles. We weren't going to go back to a world of spheres of influence in Europe or beyond. We weren't going to accept the proposition that one country like Russia could tell other countries what they should do or shouldn’t do, with whom they should associate or not associate." - Antony Blinken (CIA Director and former ambassador to Russia)


View: https://youtu.be/glIWLeZcVU4?t=573
"They see Ukraine as fundamentally in their sphere of influence. We don’t really recognize, we in the United States, the countries have these spheres of influence. It’s a tug-of-war that we have with Russia in any number of places, with China, with some of these other large countries, but we deny spheres of influence. We think countries should be able to make their own determinations about their foreign relations." -Jon Finer (deputy national security advisor)


View: https://youtu.be/E6Lv-3OiPhY?t=3165
"because Hillary Clinton was never going to concede that Russia had a sphere of influence in its neighboring countries in a way that Putin was always seeking to hear from his American interlocutors. I think that was probably some of the source of what turned out to be a bit of friction between them" -Jon Berlyle (former ambassador to Russia)

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"It was Vice President Biden who first used the word “reset.” And I’ll say something for Joe Biden’s framing of Russia relations in his Munich Security Conference speech. He used “reset,” and in the same speech, he also said, “No Russian veto over NATO enlargement, and no recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the two Georgian provinces Russia had grabbed.” So Biden was limiting the reset. I thought, wow, this guy is good." -Daniel Fried (National Security Council)

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"I don’t think you can exaggerate the extent to which, in the Russian mind, being a great power is a central element of Russian national identity. For the Russians and for Putin now, they're engaged in an existential struggle with the United States, because the United States refuses to acknowledge that Russian is that great power, that Russia does have a sphere of influence in the former Soviet space, that Russia is sovereign and will conduct its internal affairs as it sees fit." -Thomas Graham (national security council)

 

[hometeam]

You still don't have a fuckin clue of whose playing to what ends for whom.

No I'm not a paranoid conspiracy theorist about globalist corporations that are handlers for the President and the illuminati. There are 40 countries sending Ukraine aid and 141 countries condemning Russia. And Ukraine does indeed want to be a part of Europe, not Russia. The last thing anybody in Washington wanted was this war because they bought in to Russia being able to steamroll Ukraine. After a year of war it's clear Russia isn't as strong as anybody thought they were, which wasn't a peer to the US or China to begin with.

Russia is behind all this, not the US. Putin says in his essay that Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are historically united and the only thing keeping them apart is the West:

On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

He's continually trying to get a Russian puppet in Ukraine. How do you work with that when your policy is that Russia doesn't have spheres of influence and cannot expand?

There's this tug of war going on here between Russia, whose empire has collapsed, and for 600 years was this empire and great power... and the US, only 300 yrs old who won the cold war and doesn't want Russia to put their empire back together again because it does indeed affect our national security. Then there's Europe, who just wants peace and everyone respecting everyone's borders/sovereignty. So who do you root for?

 

[Hughinn]

Yes. Bush Sr and James Baker told them this when the Berlin Wall came down. Bill Clinton also told them this, and famously when the first wave of NATO expansion happened there was no Russian objection. They didn't say "hey you said you wouldn't do this." Bush Jr told them this when they attacked Georgia. Biden and Hillary Clinton told them this during the Obama reset.

View: https://youtu.be/443WY8TTd-Q?t=2610


They said: you don't get to have spheres of influence or red lines... no more than India does or France does, because today Russia is no more powerful than India or France (who are both nuclear powers.) Russia just can't get this through their thick, history driven skulls.

Now, if Russia was to annex Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Georgia and Kazakhstan maybe they'd be a great power again, but we also told them we won't let them do that. NATO will oppose it. We won't even let them start doing that, though we did let them get away with Crimea. And you can clearly see this has been Russia's mistake not ours. They need to modernize their culture and economy and learn to get along with their neighbors and the world.

Lmfao,

"We" also told them NATO would not expand one inch East after the reunification of Germany.

I think it's stupid to pretend like Russia is just going to lay down and take it. Foreign policy experts for the past 30 years have warned that having the type of policies you advocate

"you don't get to have spheres of influence or red lines... no more than India does or France does, because today Russia is no more powerful than India or France (who are both nuclear powers.) Russia just can't get this through their thick, history driven skulls"

Would lead precisely to this spot.

It was/is a terrible mistake and miscalculation that's going to cause monumental human suffering for many years. It already has.

The fact is, you're a stupid person. You may think all this is cool and that your empire will last forever.

But it won't.

You don't understand who the audience here is, and what the ramifications of this really are.

 

[Hughinn]

No I'm not a paranoid conspiracy theorist about globalist corporations that are handlers for the President and the illuminati. There are 40 countries sending Ukraine aid and 141 countries condemning Russia. And Ukraine does indeed want to be a part of Europe, not Russia. The last thing anybody in Washington wanted was this war because they bought in to Russia being able to steamroll Ukraine. After a year of war it's clear Russia isn't as strong as anybody thought they were, which wasn't a peer to the US or China to begin with.

Russia is behind all this, not the US. Putin says in his essay that Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are historically united and the only thing keeping them apart is the West:

On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

He's continually trying to get a Russian puppet in Ukraine. How do you work with that when your policy is that Russia doesn't have spheres of influence and cannot expand?

There's this tug of war going on here between Russia, whose empire has collapsed, and for 600 years was this empire and great power... and the US, only 300 yrs old who won the cold war and doesn't want Russia to put their empire back together again because it does indeed affect our national security. Then there's Europe, who just wants peace and everyone respecting everyone's borders/sovereignty. So who do you root for?

That's an incredibly stupid post.

Joe Biden is definitely not in charge
NATO does not represent the wills of the worlds people
Washington definitely wanted this war because they did everything they could to provoke it.

And none of that is theories. It's all established demonstrable facts


And the current war is one of monetary interests and empirical aspirations.

The Russian nation is done answering to Washington and will not be doing so anymore.
China has solidified it's support of Russia and half of the world looks at them with sympathy because they have suffered similarly at the hands of Washington.

Both the ruble and yen are climbing in value while the dollar sinks.
Washington sanctions are hurting thier allies in Europe more than hurting Russia because half the world does not honor Joe Bidens sanctions.

Washington has fucked over it's own allies and people to enrich itself for too long. German leadership is going to change over getting cucked by letting Washington destroy their pipeline while their people suffer. Italy has already been moving away from globalists. The cracks are forming

There's nowhere left to turn. Nobody you can trust. The world is waiting for Washington to stumble so they can pounce.

Eventually you'll lie and deny you ever supported any of this. Because you're really just a chickenshit.

 

[hometeam]

Lmfao,

"We" also told them NATO would not expand one inch East after the reunification of Germany.

Not at all. I've looked over your link. Here's the document your talking about:

Record of conversation between Mikhail Gorbachev and James Baker in Moscow. (Excerpts) | National Security Archive

nsarchive.gwu.edu

There is no promise there. Here's exactly what Gorbachev said on page 7: "That does not yet mean that we have an agreement, but we should continue to seek one."

Not only that but an agreement with the Soviet Union isn't the same as an agreement with Russia. When the Soviet Union collapsed in '91 the Soviet Premier Gorbachev no longer had a job and Yeltsin was the President of Russia. Agreements had to be redone with each new country. When Clinton started the first wave of expansion, there was no protest from Russia.

History Professor Mary Elise Sarotte, the author of the book "Not One Inch Forward" spent 3 years studying this and getting documents/transcripts declassified. She says that during talks to reunify West/East Germany Secretary of State James Baker proposed not expanding NATO not one inch East to Soviet Premier Gorbachev as a hypothetical. When he got back home he told his boss President Bush this and Bush said that's not what he wants, that NATO is a good thing, it gives Europeans security and he will be expanding NATO. So Baker called up the allies and said that's off the table.

There might be some debate over how long it took the Soviets to get the memo but Bush made it clear several times NATO is expanding. The final agreement, which the Soviets signed, included East Germany into NATO which was an expansion Eastward. They gave Russia aid in exchange for signing it. You can hear her talk about that here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHj0K9PofCw&t=889s

Of course, you'll just call the foremost expert on this topic a liar because it doesn't fit your agenda.

Then we have a US diplomat who was there and says “I was in those meetings, and Gorbachev has [also] said there was no promise not to enlarge NATO,” Zoellick recalls.

‘There was no promise not to enlarge NATO’ - Harvard Law School

Robert Zoellick, the U.S. diplomat who helped negotiate the end of the Cold War, says Vladimir Putin’s claims about Ukraine are part of a disinformation campaign.

hls.harvard.edu

But also when NATO did enlarge there was no objection from Russia.

 

[hometeam]

"you don't get to have spheres of influence or red lines... no more than India does or France does, because today Russia is no more powerful than India or France (who are both nuclear powers.) Russia just can't get this through their thick, history driven skulls"

Would lead precisely to this spot.

It's a bad spot for Russia, not us. The fact is they may have been this empire and great power for 600 years but today they are no more powerful than India or France, we won't let them rebuild their empire, and they need to learn to live with the fact that they don't get to bully their neighbors anymore or tell countries in the former Soviet realm what to do.

It's just that as Thomas Graham said "you can exaggerate the extent to which, in the Russian mind, being a great power is a central element of Russian national identity." If they can't modernize and learn to get along with their neighbors and the world, this is what happens to them. It doesn't work in today's world. They will collapse over and over again. How else should we approach it?

We spent not much more than this keeping the Taliban from controlling Afghanistan for 20 years. About 5% of our defense budget. It's kind of telling when aid to Ukraine to keep Russia from occupying Ukraine is about the same as what it costed to warlords in Afghanistan at bay.

 

[hometeam]

Both the ruble and yen are climbing in value while the dollar sinks.
Washington sanctions are hurting thier allies in Europe more than hurting Russia because half the world does not honor Joe Bidens sanctions.

US economists have been hoping for many years that the dollar weakens, that way we can sell our goods cheaper on the world market giving us a competitive advantage boosting factory output and jobs.

China has been manipulating their currency for many years to make it weaker:

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm751

Japan's weak currency in the 1990s led to the rise of their automobile industry:

History of Japan's intervention in currency markets

A precipitous drop in the yen has investors wary that Japan intervenes in the open market to support the currency.

www.reuters.com

It's just that the ruble almost collapsed last year and never really has been stable, so Russians have equated currencies with economic health. Putin has to convince Russians that he's going to hit back at the US, so he's been telling them he has some currency scheme to take down the US economy. Obviously he can't hurt the US economy... Russia has a GDP of $1.4 trillion compared to the US $21 trillion.

As long as people across the world keep buying our cars, cell phones, integrated circuits, computers, medical devices etc we aren't in trouble. Russia makes nothing but vodka, oil and cheap arms. We actually produce more oil than Russia does.

Economists aren't so sure the ruble has raised in value. You can't buy the ruble anywhere right now, so there's no way to know for sure what the value is. We've been going off what Russia says the value is. Also, Russia's stock market has been frozen so you cannot asses the value of Russian stocks. And all of Russia's information that the World Bank and IMF needs to assess Russia's economy is not being submitted.

Yale economist Professor Jeffrey Sonnenfeld talks about it here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU0resswOds


Putin has decided to stop sharing their economic data, so they could have a collapsed economy and no one would know except for the fact that a lot of people would be out of work and unable to pay the bills. We've fixed the price of oil so that it actually costs them more to pump it out of the ground than anyone is paying them for it.

 

[Hughinn]

Not at all. I've looked over your link. Here's the document your talking about:

Record of conversation between Mikhail Gorbachev and James Baker in Moscow. (Excerpts) | National Security Archive

nsarchive.gwu.edu

There is no promise there. Here's exactly what Gorbachev said on page 7: "That does not yet mean that we have an agreement, but we should continue to seek one."

Not only that but an agreement with the Soviet Union isn't the same as an agreement with Russia. When the Soviet Union collapsed in '91 the Soviet Premier Gorbachev no longer had a job and Yeltsin was the President of Russia. Agreements had to be redone with each new country. When Clinton started the first wave of expansion, there was no protest from Russia.

History Professor Mary Elise Sarotte, the author of the book "Not One Inch Forward" spent 3 years studying this and getting documents/transcripts declassified. She says that during talks to reunify West/East Germany Secretary of State James Baker proposed not expanding NATO not one inch East to Soviet Premier Gorbachev as a hypothetical. When he got back home he told his boss President Bush this and Bush said that's not what he wants, that NATO is a good thing, it gives Europeans security and he will be expanding NATO. So Baker called up the allies and said that's off the table.

There might be some debate over how long it took the Soviets to get the memo but Bush made it clear several times NATO is expanding. The final agreement, which the Soviets signed, included East Germany into NATO which was an expansion Eastward. They gave Russia aid in exchange for signing it. You can hear her talk about that here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHj0K9PofCw&t=889s

Of course, you'll just call the foremost expert on this topic a liar because it doesn't fit your agenda.

Then we have a US diplomat who was there and says “I was in those meetings, and Gorbachev has [also] said there was no promise not to enlarge NATO,” Zoellick recalls.

‘There was no promise not to enlarge NATO’ - Harvard Law School

Robert Zoellick, the U.S. diplomat who helped negotiate the end of the Cold War, says Vladimir Putin’s claims about Ukraine are part of a disinformation campaign.

hls.harvard.edu

But also when NATO did enlarge there was no objection from Russia.

She is a liar.

Declassified documents clearly show it

 

[Hughinn]

It's a bad spot for Russia, not us. The fact is they may have been this empire and great power for 600 years but today they are no more powerful than India or France, we won't let them rebuild their empire, and they need to learn to live with the fact that they don't get to bully their neighbors anymore or tell countries in the former Soviet realm what to do.

It's just that as Thomas Graham said "you can exaggerate the extent to which, in the Russian mind, being a great power is a central element of Russian national identity." If they can't modernize and learn to get along with their neighbors and the world, this is what happens to them. It doesn't work in today's world. They will collapse over and over again. How else should we approach it?

We spent not much more than this keeping the Taliban from controlling Afghanistan for 20 years. About 5% of our defense budget. It's kind of telling when aid to Ukraine to keep Russia from occupying Ukraine is about the same as what it costed to warlords in Afghanistan at bay.

"We won't let them"...

You clearly approve of Washington trying to rule the world.

But you're also a chickenshit. So it's no surprise.

The thing is, Washington hasn't faced a war against anybody that could really fight back in forty years.

Russia isn't Afghanistan. And they've stood up for themselves and are not backing down.

Sensible leadership would not try to escalate the situation.

 

[Hughinn]

US economists have been hoping for many years that the dollar weakens, that way we can sell our goods cheaper on the world market giving us a competitive advantage boosting factory output and jobs.

China has been manipulating their currency for many years to make it weaker:

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm751

Japan's weak currency in the 1990s led to the rise of their automobile industry:

History of Japan's intervention in currency markets

A precipitous drop in the yen has investors wary that Japan intervenes in the open market to support the currency.

www.reuters.com

It's just that the ruble almost collapsed last year and never really has been stable, so Russians have equated currencies with economic health. Putin has to convince Russians that he's going to hit back at the US, so he's been telling them he has some currency scheme to take down the US economy. Obviously he can't hurt the US economy... Russia has a GDP of $1.4 trillion compared to the US $21 trillion.

As long as people across the world keep buying our cars, cell phones, integrated circuits, computers, medical devices etc we aren't in trouble. Russia makes nothing but vodka, oil and cheap arms. We actually produce more oil than Russia does.

Economists aren't so sure the ruble has raised in value. You can't buy the ruble anywhere right now, so there's no way to know for sure what the value is. We've been going off what Russia says the value is. Also, Russia's stock market has been frozen so you cannot asses the value of Russian stocks. And all of Russia's information that the World Bank and IMF needs to assess Russia's economy is not being submitted.

Yale economist Professor Jeffrey Sonnenfeld talks about it here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU0resswOds


Putin has decided to stop sharing their economic data, so they could have a collapsed economy and no one would know except for the fact that a lot of people would be out of work and unable to pay the bills. We've fixed the price of oil so that it actually costs them more to pump it out of the ground than anyone is paying them for it.

Pure stupidity.

Washington's sanctions are hurting Washington and it's allies more than Russia.

Half the world doesn't care about Joe Bidens sanctions anyway


You talk alot of stupid shit. But this takes the cake. Because the American economy is in way worse shape than Russia.

Russia has a huge manufacturing capacity and very little debt. Massive natural resources and plenty of willing trading partners.

You're one dumbass motherfukker if you think Joe Biden can starve them out or make them run.

America on the other hand is deep in debt, sold off it's manufacturing capacity for quick money and hasn't been playing the long game for a century, just trying to get rich fast. Everyone else is playing the long game.

The dollar is down "oh good we can export more" says the idiot. But we've got very little left to export and even less capacity to do so during wartime.

Russia by itself is out producing all of NATO and Washington in ammunition, artillery and equipment for fucks sake.imagine China in the mix

Get your head out of your ass

 

[Hughinn]

This misunderstanding is behind all the rhetoric mocking Russia’s “poor performance” in Ukraine. You think because our combined arms high-tech capabilities make mincemeat of jihadists running around the desert w/an AK and one magazine, that’s how all successful wars must look.

Well look, The reality is that Ukraine's original forces were a fully-equipped NATO army under full mobilization, and its soldiers were man-for-man superior to every NATO army except maybe the US Army.
We don’t even remember what it’s like to fight without being able to call down unopposed air strikes on the enemy.

But that Ukrainian army is gone now. Russia has destroyed it.

It took 8 years of NATO training arming and preparation to make that army and now it's gone.

Russia has figured out that it cannot negotiate, because Washington will not let anybody negotiate.

As long as Washington has Ukrainian bodies and western mercenaries to expend along with American taxpayers money, they're not going to allow any peace talks.

This idiot @hometeam thinks this Ukrainian army is easily replaced because in his ignorance he thinks this war is like all the others, some kind of guided safari while they ride around in high tech armored vehicles shooting at guys riding camels and wearing sandals.

He's a dumbass. These poor bastards life expectancy once they hit the front lines is literally being measured in hours.

Washington needs to broker peace and end this sick assed money grab game they're playing with people's lives

This chickenshit moron @hometeam needs to wake up and call for amd to this as well and not be cheering it on

 

[hometeam]

She is a liar.

Declassified documents clearly show it

The documents show they talked about it. They don't show they agreed on it or President Bush authorized it. At the time, that wasn't something the Soviets cared about a whole lot, or was demanding. Like I said, Russia never protested after the first expansion wave. And if there was an agreement, that's something the Soviets would've wanted in writing. In fact the agreement the Soviets signed said NATO would expand into East Germany. It wasn't until 15-20 years later that Putin (who was in graduate school in Leningrad at the time, not at the meetings) brings it up.

The dollar is down "oh good we can export more" says the idiot. But we've got very little left to export and even less capacity to do so during wartime.

Here is a list of countries by exports:

Rank	Country	Exports (Current US$)
1​	China	$2,723,250.43​
2​	United States	$2,123,410.00​
3​	Germany	$1,669,993.51​
4​	Japan	$785,365.75​
5​	United Kingdom	$770,478.62​
6​	France	$733,165.40​
7​	Netherlands	$711,504.80​
8​	Hong Kong (China SAR)	$612,566.52​
9​	Singapore	$599,216.28​
10​	South Korea	$596,945.20​

Exports by Country 2025

Comprehensive analysis of exports by country, presenting detailed data and rankings on the export performance of nations worldwide, including information on each country's total export value and primary export products.

worldpopulationreview.com

Russia would be down somewhere around 13-18th.

Russia by itself is out producing all of NATO and Washington in ammunition, artillery and equipment for fucks sake.imagine China in the mix

Notice where South Korea is on that list. We've got them making artillery rounds for us. They've had to keep that manufacturing capability in place because North Korea on their border relies heavily on artillery.

US to buy South Korean howitzer rounds to send to Ukraine

A U.S. official says the U.S. will buy 100,000 rounds of howitzer artillery rounds from South Korean manufacturers to provide to Ukraine.

apnews.com

The thing is, Washington hasn't faced a war against anybody that could really fight back in forty years.

Russia isn't Afghanistan. And they've stood up for themselves and are not backing down.

And we aren't now. The Ukrainians are with our equipment. We didn't invade a country and stir up a hornet's nest this time, Russia did. And now they have to sit under the hornet's nest swatting at them until the hornets get sick of stinging them.

It's not like the Soviets didn't arm the opposition in Vietnam, or the Iranians didn't arm the opposition in Iraq. The opposition didn't need the Soviets or Iran to send their troops to fight us off. You feel this need to keep digging at our troops; we're not fighting.

Well look, The reality is that Ukraine's original forces were a fully-equipped NATO army under full mobilization, and its soldiers were man-for-man superior to every NATO army except maybe the US Army.

Not at all. They were invaded in February and the $40 billion aid package didn't come until June. We had given them no heavy weapons before the invasion... no artillery, no HIMARS, no armored vehicles.

The Trump administration had given them javelin and stinger missiles but made them store it in the far Western part of the country by Lviv to be used only in the event of such an invasion. So at the time of the invasion Ukraine was fighting with Soviet era heavy equipment (tanks, artillery, air defense) with some man portable anti-tank and anti-air missiles from the US.

Here's India's General Bakshi:

View: https://youtu.be/DoOZF5hJmpo?t=386
"Even the Americans had anticipated that Russia would just steamroll over Ukraine. It would be over in a matter of days if not weeks, and they were equipping Ukraine to fight a guerilla war. They were giving them anti-tank missiles, anti-tank shoulder fired weapons, stingers, like they had supplied to the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan. They had anticipated that Russia would steamroll the whole of Ukraine in a matter of days and then they would wage a relentless guerilla war to do another Afghanistan on the Russian forces." - Bakshi

Here's one of many articles you can find on it:

Ukrainians train in guerrilla tactics in case Russia invades

Some people in Ukraine's second-largest city are preparing to fight back if Russia invades. Kharkiv is just 40 kilometers (25 miles) from some of the tens of thousands of Russian troops massed at the border.

apnews.com

Seriously, I don't know where you come up with some of this stuff other than pulling it out of your ass.

 

[hometeam]

But that Ukrainian army is gone now. Russia has destroyed it.

It took 8 years of NATO training arming and preparation to make that army and now it's gone.

I'll also add that after the Kharkiv rout Ukraine had captured 460 Russian main battle tanks, 92 self-propelled howitzers, 448 infantry fighting vehicles, 195 armored fighting vehicles and 44 multiple-launch rocket systems

Ukraine’s New Offensive Is Fueled by Captured Russian Weapons

Ukraine’s rapid breakthrough in the Kharkiv region a month ago ended up putting hundreds of pieces of Russian armor into Kyiv’s hands, military officials say.

www.wsj.com

These came mostly from Russia's 1st Guards tank army, their most elite army meant to fight NATO if there ever was a confrontation, and so this was their best and most modern equipment. The 1st Guards just left their equipment, shed their uniforms, and ran.

Beaten Twice In Ukraine, Russia’s Elite 1st Guards Tank Army Is Poised To Attack Yet Again

A Luhansk offensive would be the 1st Guards Tank Army’s third chance to prove itself in Ukraine. Or, alternatively, a third chance for Ukrainian forces to wreck the formation.

www.forbes.com

 

[Hughinn]

The documents show they talked about it. They don't show they agreed on it or President Bush authorized it. At the time, that wasn't something the Soviets cared about a whole lot, or was demanding. Like I said, Russia never protested after the first expansion wave. And if there was an agreement, that's something the Soviets would've wanted in writing. In fact the agreement the Soviets signed said NATO would expand into East Germany. It wasn't until 15-20 years later that Putin (who was in graduate school in Leningrad at the time, not at the meetings) brings it up.


Here is a list of countries by exports:

Rank	Country	Exports (Current US$)
1​	China	$2,723,250.43​
2​	United States	$2,123,410.00​
3​	Germany	$1,669,993.51​
4​	Japan	$785,365.75​
5​	United Kingdom	$770,478.62​
6​	France	$733,165.40​
7​	Netherlands	$711,504.80​
8​	Hong Kong (China SAR)	$612,566.52​
9​	Singapore	$599,216.28​
10​	South Korea	$596,945.20​

Exports by Country 2025

Comprehensive analysis of exports by country, presenting detailed data and rankings on the export performance of nations worldwide, including information on each country's total export value and primary export products.

worldpopulationreview.com

Russia would be down somewhere around 13-18th.


Notice where South Korea is on that list. We've got them making artillery rounds for us. They've had to keep that manufacturing capability in place because North Korea on their border relies heavily on artillery.

US to buy South Korean howitzer rounds to send to Ukraine

A U.S. official says the U.S. will buy 100,000 rounds of howitzer artillery rounds from South Korean manufacturers to provide to Ukraine.

apnews.com

And we aren't now. The Ukrainians are with our equipment. We didn't invade a country and stir up a hornet's nest this time, Russia did. And now they have to sit under the hornet's nest swatting at them until the hornets get sick of stinging them.

It's not like the Soviets didn't arm the opposition in Vietnam, or the Iranians didn't arm the opposition in Iraq. The opposition didn't need the Soviets or Iran to send their troops to fight us off. You feel this need to keep digging at our troops; we're not fighting.


Not at all. They were invaded in February and the $40 billion aid package didn't come until June. We had given them no heavy weapons before the invasion... no artillery, no HIMARS, no armored vehicles.

The Trump administration had given them javelin and stinger missiles but made them store it in the far Western part of the country by Lviv to be used only in the event of such an invasion. So at the time of the invasion Ukraine was fighting with Soviet era heavy equipment (tanks, artillery, air defense) with some man portable anti-tank and anti-air missiles from the US.

Here's India's General Bakshi:

View: https://youtu.be/DoOZF5hJmpo?t=386
"Even the Americans had anticipated that Russia would just steamroll over Ukraine. It would be over in a matter of days if not weeks, and they were equipping Ukraine to fight a guerilla war. They were giving them anti-tank missiles, anti-tank shoulder fired weapons, stingers, like they had supplied to the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan. They had anticipated that Russia would steamroll the whole of Ukraine in a matter of days and then they would wage a relentless guerilla war to do another Afghanistan on the Russian forces." - Bakshi

Here's one of many articles you can find on it:

Ukrainians train in guerrilla tactics in case Russia invades

Some people in Ukraine's second-largest city are preparing to fight back if Russia invades. Kharkiv is just 40 kilometers (25 miles) from some of the tens of thousands of Russian troops massed at the border.

apnews.com

Seriously, I don't know where you come up with some of this stuff other than pulling it out of your ass.

Damn fool, just cut the bullshit already.

Seriously, enough bullshit copy and paste propoganda.

Fact is, Ukraine has already burned through most of the NATO arsenal of ammunition and artillery. It will take years simply to replenish what Ukraine has already used.

Enough bullshit copy and paste propoganda.

Just real logic here.

Russia is literally pounding Ukraine into rubble. Tens of thousands of missiles and artillery rounds per day. Ukrainian soldiers trained for 8 years to have a very formidable army. And by all honest accounts, it was. But it's now gone. Destroyed. Eliminated. Dead or crippled. Hundreds of thousands. Gone.

Washington and NATO (same thing) do not have enough manufacturing capacity to match it, much less surpass it. Just on weapons and ammunition alone.

Much less supply fighting men in large enough quantities.

And there's no way Joe Biden is going to send 50k, 60k, 200k American soldiers off to die in the meat grinder of Ukraine.

Washingtons entire military probably couldn't produce 75k combat prepared infantry soldiers across it's entire armed forces.

It's been chasing around little brown men wearing bed sheets and riding camels for the past thirty years.

You're a fukkin joke. An idiot. You've got not the slightest clue about any of it.

Nothing but another mouth bellowing out the same bullshit propoganda CNN MSNBC and DNC propoganda networks do much better everyday

 

[Hughinn]

I'll also add that after the Kharkiv rout Ukraine had captured 460 Russian main battle tanks, 92 self-propelled howitzers, 448 infantry fighting vehicles, 195 armored fighting vehicles and 44 multiple-launch rocket systems

Ukraine’s New Offensive Is Fueled by Captured Russian Weapons

Ukraine’s rapid breakthrough in the Kharkiv region a month ago ended up putting hundreds of pieces of Russian armor into Kyiv’s hands, military officials say.

www.wsj.com

These came mostly from Russia's 1st Guards tank army, their most elite army meant to fight NATO if there ever was a confrontation, and so this was their best and most modern equipment. The 1st Guards just left their equipment, shed their uniforms, and ran.

Beaten Twice In Ukraine, Russia’s Elite 1st Guards Tank Army Is Poised To Attack Yet Again

A Luhansk offensive would be the 1st Guards Tank Army’s third chance to prove itself in Ukraine. Or, alternatively, a third chance for Ukrainian forces to wreck the formation.

www.forbes.com

Blah blah blah copy and paste propoganda bullshit.

The ukranian army built by Washington has been destroyed.

Washington is trying to resurrect a corpse here. Nothing more.

They're not trying to "win". Because they've already lost any real objective here.

The Biden administration has no coherent plan here for what victory even looks like. They've got no real military strategy's to accomplish anything here.

All they've got is a propoganda and Media strategy to drag it out and keep up the killing and suffering as long as they can to enrich themselves in the process.

And you're one ignorant sack of shit for cheering it on, when we the people could make them end this.... today.

But you're a stupid bastard. A coward and a chickenshit. And as long as others can be convinced to fight for you, you'll sit back and cheer for it.

Utterly wretched, such a lowlife piece of shit. A coward and a cunt.

But other Americans know better. This is hurting working class people everywhere while enriching the already rich and powerful.

It needs to stop. And may God curse your cowardly conniving guts for cheering on such deviant and conniving goals as destroying the Ukrainian people to enrich Washington.

 

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Russia is literally pounding Ukraine into rubble. Tens of thousands of missiles and artillery rounds per day.

Notice you didn't say heavy bombers, and they can't use their tanks or attack helicopters without getting blown up.

So we've got cruise missiles (with a 1,000 lb warhead), Iranian drones (with a 100 lb warhead), and artillery (with a 14 lb warhead.) Sorry but you're not going to reduce a country to rubble with that. Kiev, Kharkiv, Dnipro etc are vibrant cities who have all been attacked. It's a WWI style symmetrical war and Russia isn't strong enough to invade outside of the Donbas.

Fact is, Ukraine has already burned through most of the NATO arsenal of ammunition and artillery. It will take years simply to replenish what Ukraine has already used.

Russia has their ammo problems too.

"Yevgeny Prigozhin, known for years to be a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, said in a Thursday message on his Telegram channel that all of his direct lines to the Kremlin have stopped responding. This was after he complained on Sunday that the Russian government isn't giving his fighters in Ukraine enough ammunition."

Wagner boss says the Kremlin won't talk to him anymore after he complained that Russia isn't giving his troops enough ammo

Yevgeny Prigozhin, once thought to be a close Putin ally, said on Thursday that all of his direct lines to the Kremlin have stopped responding.

www.businessinsider.com

View: https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1628477870497562625?s=20


"US and Ukrainian officials have offered widely different estimates of Russian fire, with US officials saying the rate has dropped from 20,000 rounds per day to around 5,000 per day on average. Ukraine estimates that the rate has dropped from 60,000 to 20,000 per day.
But both estimates point to a similar downward trend."

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/10/politics/russian-artillery-fire-down-75-percent-ukraine/index.html

"Russia is attempting to import a batch of 20,000 artillery shells from Iran to replenish its own depleted stockpiles, the chief of the Main Directorate of Intelligence, Kyrylo Budanov, said in an interview with business magazine Forbes Ukraine on Feb. 22.
"A test batch has been already imported, currently they are trying to get one more batch, but not a trial one,” Budanov said."

Russia attempting to import 20,000 artillery shells from Iran, says Budanov

Russia is attempting to import a batch of 20,000 artillery shells from Iran to replenish its own depleted stockpiles, the chief of the Main Directorate of Intelligence, Kyrylo Budanov, said in an interview with business magazine Forbes Ukraine on Feb. 22.

english.nv.ua

Whatever gave you the idea that artillery is the deciding factor here and Russia's supply is unlimited?

 

[hometeam]

The ukranian army built by Washington has been destroyed.

The 250k Ukraine started with before the invasion that had almost no aid was destroyed, yes. Then they mobilized to 700k troops, was sent $113+ billion in aid, and Ukrainian troops were sent to the UK, Germany, Spain and Poland for training. Keep in mind Russia's annual military budget is $80 billion, so $113 billion is aid is significant. Now Ukraine has a whole new army, but like we discussed there's a skill shortage.

The 200k Russia invaded with was destroyed too. Lets not forget who won at Kiev and Kharkiv. If you were part of Russia's original invasion force there's a 50/50 chance you are wounded, missing or dead. So Russia had to mobilize. And the mobilization went horribly bad - they had no trainers or equipment to train them with.

Russia is literally pounding Ukraine into rubble. Tens of thousands of missiles and artillery rounds per day.

You do realize one B-52 bomber can drop 70,000 lbs of bombs on a bombing run, right?

Ukrainian soldiers trained for 8 years to have a very formidable army. And by all honest accounts, it was.

What are you talking about? They couldn't even beat the Russian backed militias in the Donbas. Why are you pulling stuff out of your ass?

 

[Fautquejyaille]

Notice you didn't say heavy bombers, and they can't use their tanks or attack helicopters without getting blown up.

So we've got cruise missiles (with a 1,000 lb warhead), Iranian drones (with a 100 lb warhead), and artillery (with a 14 lb warhead.) Sorry but you're not going to reduce a country to rubble with that. Kiev, Kharkiv, Dnipro etc are vibrant cities who have all been attacked. It's a WWI style symmetrical war and Russia isn't strong enough to invade outside of the Donbas.


Russia has their ammo problems too.

"Yevgeny Prigozhin, known for years to be a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, said in a Thursday message on his Telegram channel that all of his direct lines to the Kremlin have stopped responding. This was after he complained on Sunday that the Russian government isn't giving his fighters in Ukraine enough ammunition."

Wagner boss says the Kremlin won't talk to him anymore after he complained that Russia isn't giving his troops enough ammo

Yevgeny Prigozhin, once thought to be a close Putin ally, said on Thursday that all of his direct lines to the Kremlin have stopped responding.

www.businessinsider.com

View: https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1628477870497562625?s=20


"US and Ukrainian officials have offered widely different estimates of Russian fire, with US officials saying the rate has dropped from 20,000 rounds per day to around 5,000 per day on average. Ukraine estimates that the rate has dropped from 60,000 to 20,000 per day.
But both estimates point to a similar downward trend."

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/10/politics/russian-artillery-fire-down-75-percent-ukraine/index.html

"Russia is attempting to import a batch of 20,000 artillery shells from Iran to replenish its own depleted stockpiles, the chief of the Main Directorate of Intelligence, Kyrylo Budanov, said in an interview with business magazine Forbes Ukraine on Feb. 22.
"A test batch has been already imported, currently they are trying to get one more batch, but not a trial one,” Budanov said."

Russia attempting to import 20,000 artillery shells from Iran, says Budanov

Russia is attempting to import a batch of 20,000 artillery shells from Iran to replenish its own depleted stockpiles, the chief of the Main Directorate of Intelligence, Kyrylo Budanov, said in an interview with business magazine Forbes Ukraine on Feb. 22.

english.nv.ua

Whatever gave you the idea that artillery is the deciding factor here and Russia's supply is unlimited?

Cnn lol
You are very stupid

 

[Fautquejyaille]

The 250k Ukraine started with before the invasion that had almost no aid was destroyed, yes. Then they mobilized to 700k troops, was sent $113+ billion in aid, and Ukrainian troops were sent to the UK, Germany, Spain and Poland for training. Keep in mind Russia's annual military budget is $80 billion, so $113 billion is aid is significant. Now Ukraine has a whole new army, but like we discussed there's a skill shortage.

The 200k Russia invaded with was destroyed too. Lets not forget who won at Kiev and Kharkiv. If you were part of Russia's original invasion force there's a 50/50 chance you are wounded, missing or dead. So Russia had to mobilize. And the mobilization went horribly bad - they had no trainers or equipment to train them with.


You do realize one B-52 bomber can drop 70,000 lbs of bombs on a bombing run, right?


What are you talking about? They couldn't even beat the Russian backed militias in the Donbas. Why are you pulling stuff out of your ass?

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