Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

Not a single President of the United States has. And the fact that you brought up some in Congress have should show that you're 100% lying when you say the US govt doesn't consider Putin a security threat and it's all about a "cartel" promoting money, power and domination in the region.

The rest of what you wrote is "you dumb shit this!", "capitalism is evil" and "you dumb fuck that!" and mostly unintelligible. Does that method of arguing ever really work for you?

"The cold war didn't end in 2015" well Putin sure said that US policy is based on "arrogance, exceptionalism and impunity" then.

Well, Putin isn't wrong is he?

Because the US has invaded multiple countries with arrogance, exceptionalism and impunity.

Never facing consequences.

How is what he said not the truth dumbass?
 
I understand there's more than one side to this, and former Finland PM Stubb really spent a lot of time trying to figure out their side. In fact his current job is as a professor in Italy, Director of the EUI Transnational School of Governance, studying and teaching this full-time.

And he says Russia today (and always has, for 300 years) considers themselves isolated and with the whole world against them. As they did with Ghengis Khan, with Napoleon, with Hitler, and now with NATO. It doesn't mean they're right it's just culturally ingrained in them.

You start invading your neighbors after a Cold War you lost trying to regain territory and you get a response that looks a whole lot like that also.

And they also consider themselves the ongoing saviors of Europe, which is strange and problematic. They feel like Europe still needs Russia to save them.

Then why don't you explain how it's any better for the US corporations to "save Europe"?

And why you think counteracting imperialist agendas with other imperial ambitions any better or different for the world?
 
Well, Putin isn't wrong is he?
Well we're talking about points of views here. From an old-timer communist, Soviet point of view he's absolutely right the US is the devil. Also is totally right from the point of view of anyone who supports Islamic Sharia law based governments.

From the UK point of view it's MacDonalds and Pepsi for whoever wants it. With China it's focus on your own internal affairs so long as your goal for acquiring Taiwan isn't affected. Most NATO countries still see Russian expansion as an existential threat - especially in Poland or Estonia. In the US you've got people who support and oppose the current administration as well as extremists like anarchists and libertarians - it's a free country. So it's not so simple as absolutely right or wrong. No US President goes into power with the intent of screwing up their country or the world.

The problem is when Putin speaks like this it's not as a friend trying to change things for the better, it's as an adversary to drum up support for his positions. This is especially so after the annexation of Crimea and the sanctions that took place. Also true after the invasion. "It's us vs the World" which rings true to most Russians after Ghengis Khan, Napoleon, and Hitler. And a lot of it is just bitterness that the Soviet Union collapsed and Russia no longer has much of a say in world affairs.
 
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Well we're talking about points of views here. From an old-timer communist, Soviet point of view he's absolutely right the US is the devil. Also is totally right from the point of view of anyone who supports Islamic Sharia law based governments.

In other words, he's absolutely right about US belligerent stances and superiority complex towards anybody that either had shit we want or refuses to do business our way.

Glad we could clear that up


From the UK point of view it's MacDonalds and Pepsi for whoever wants it. With China it's focus on your own internal affairs so long as your goal for acquiring Taiwan isn't affected.
Yes, the UK pushes global corporatism.

But so does China and China looks to better at it.


Most NATO countries still see Russian expansion as an existential threat - especially in Poland or Estonia. In the US you've got people who support and oppose the current administration as well as extremists like anarchists and libertarians - it's a free country. So it's not so simple as absolutely right or wrong. No US President goes into power with the intent of screwing up their country or the world.

An Estonian or modern polish opinion on Russia is a remnant of the Soviet Union and western propoganda.

It's no different than a San Francisco liberal claiming to know all about Missouri conservatives because they're both Americans.

Fact is since the fall of the Soviet Union, Russia hasn't threatened any of those people.

And any this whole shit "well they feel like" might be true. But every foreign policy expert the past fifty years has been against NATO expansion, for this very reason


The problem is when Putin speaks like this it's not as a friend trying to change things for the better, it's as an adversary to drum up support for his positions.

Lmfao

Have you seen Joe Biden speak?
The sack of shit has so much contempt for American people who disagree with his garbage policies that one can only imagine how he comes off to anyone else.

Is this piece of shit better than Putin?


View: https://youtu.be/XC-k-lhml4o
 
I mean I just can't see any logical and informed person running around howling about Russia being an "aggressive billigerent and empirical state" when compare to US, they're amateur at best.

These people's irrational hatred and contempt for Russia and Russian people is almost completely shaped by propoganda designed to invoke exactly that response.

"They hate us because we're free" they said about bin laden to justify a 20 year war over nothing.

People like this @hometeam idiot believed that bullshit "they hate our freedom"

No, they hated that we bomb civilians all over the middle east from bases in Saudi Arabia and we support what they see as a forced colonization of Palestine.

They don't give a fuck about our "freedom" because I'd bet the average Afghan peasant has a substantial amount more personal freedom than any typical California liberal.
Unfortunately, the media has created such a fictitious veil of lies and ordinary people began to hate everything related to Russia. From art to people. This is very bad. This is our reality.
 
Regardless of who you consider the more evil country, with the US they come in and remove your belligerent dictator, help you write a constitution with a parliament, then give you free elections. They free up markets and opportunities you never saw before. Then they leave, maybe leaving a base behind like in Ramstein or Okinawa.

With Russia they say "now you are part of the Russian federation: you speak Russian, observe the Orthodox church, and are loyal to Putin."
Look at what the United States in reality left behind, devastation, war and poverty of countries.
 
In other words, he's absolutely right about US belligerent stances and superiority complex towards anybody that either had shit we want or refuses to do business our way.

Glad we could clear that up
Yeah from your point of view, you're obviously a commie.
The sack of shit has so much contempt for American people who disagree with his garbage policies that one can only imagine how he comes off to anyone else.
Why don't you move to Russia?

You would be welcomed in with open arms and then the moment you made a mentally ill foaming at the mouth rant against your now current leader (Putin) like you have in this thread against Biden:
"Joe Biden to tell them all to kiss my fuckin ass. As I'd rather cut their necks than shake their hands. Because Joe Biden doesn't get to decide where I live, what I believe and where my grandchildren will die."
"Joe Biden has done more to strip Americans of liberty and choice in just two years than Putin ever could."
"the world would be a better place without Joe Biden too."
"Biden has been a destructive and divisive force here and abroad."
"they got US made humvees, M16s and helicopters thanks to Joe Biden"
"Smart leadership would be at the negotiating table, not standing on the sidelines talking shit like Joe Biden has chosen to do."
"I think we'll see governments in Europe change first and even Joe Biden is more likely to get tossed out on his ass over this than Putin."
"Saudi Arabia, India and China all thumbed thier noses at Joe Biden"
"nobody is wanting to face nuclear war with Russia over a corrupt Eastern European ogliarchy that bribed Joe Biden and his crackhead son"
"Biden is a fuckin moron. And the people who supported him are even stupider then he is"

your neighbors would soon tell on you and it wouldn't be long before you were thrown out the window of a very tall building.

You shouldn't compare the democratically elected leader of the United States to Russia's dictator when a political hack crackpot such as you has the luxury of even existing in the United States under Biden and could not exist in Russia under Putin.
 
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Folks, how do you people react when they hear Russian speech? I'm very curious. I want to visit the United States. But I would like to hear the opinions of those who are in or near those regions, how it really is.
 
Biden wasn't "elected". The election was stolen. I'm not going to discuss that because we won't get anywhere.
Well then we can go to the opinion polls... about 43% approve and 55% disapprove of Biden's performance, which is right in line where most Presidents are heading into midterms after they've spent their political capital in the first 2 years:
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And nearly 3 in 4 Americans support aid to Ukraine:
 
Well then we can go to the opinion polls... about 43% approve and 55% disapprove of Biden's performance, which is right in line where most Presidents are heading into midterms after they've spent their political capital in the first 2 years:
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And nearly 3 in 4 Americans support aid to Ukraine:
Opinion polls generally aren't accurate. None of these polls are accurate. Do you really think people are happy with what's going on now? Life has only gotten worse. Prices are high, fuel is expensive, violence everywhere. A total clown show.

People aren't happy. People aren't given a voice. Unless you support the current agenda, you have no platform to speak. Mainstream media and government are one in the same, and their messaging is propaganda and lies. People know it. They may even say they agree with it but in private, they sing a different tune. Everyone else is keeping their mouths closed, heads down, and waiting for something to change. There is no one that thinks anything that's happening is good.

Look at television viewer numbers for the news. Most people aren't watching the news.
 
Opinion polls generally aren't accurate. None of these polls are accurate. Do you really think people are happy with what's going on now? Life has only gotten worse. Prices are high, fuel is expensive, violence everywhere. A total clown show.
Well those are polls from 10 different organizations ranging from Suffolk University to Rasmussen Reports to Ipsos and they tend to agree with each other. C'mon, you can't really believe they're all inaccurate?

Do you get out of the house much? Associate much with people of different views? You ever been to San Francisco, Seattle, Detroit or New York City where they absolutely love Biden, or at least hate the Republican alternative? The country isn't all Tennessee and rural Texas.

Most people think your conspiracies are a bit nutty. But at least you're allowed to have them in the US.
 
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Yeah from your point of view, you're obviously a commie.

Why don't you move to Russia?

You would be welcomed in with open arms and then the moment you made a mentally ill foaming at the mouth rant against your now current leader (Putin) like you have in this thread against Biden:
"Joe Biden to tell them all to kiss my fuckin ass. As I'd rather cut their necks than shake their hands. Because Joe Biden doesn't get to decide where I live, what I believe and where my grandchildren will die."
"Joe Biden has done more to strip Americans of liberty and choice in just two years than Putin ever could."
"the world would be a better place without Joe Biden too."
"Biden has been a destructive and divisive force here and abroad."
"they got US made humvees, M16s and helicopters thanks to Joe Biden"
"Smart leadership would be at the negotiating table, not standing on the sidelines talking shit like Joe Biden has chosen to do."
"I think we'll see governments in Europe change first and even Joe Biden is more likely to get tossed out on his ass over this than Putin."
"Saudi Arabia, India and China all thumbed thier noses at Joe Biden"
"nobody is wanting to face nuclear war with Russia over a corrupt Eastern European ogliarchy that bribed Joe Biden and his crackhead son"
"Biden is a fuckin moron. And the people who supported him are even stupider then he is"

your neighbors would soon tell on you and it wouldn't be long before you were thrown out the window of a very tall building.

You shouldn't compare the democratically elected leader of the United States to Russia's dictator when a political hack crackpot such as you has the luxury of even existing in the United States under Biden and could not exist in Russia under Putin.


Lmfao at how stupid you sound.

Being anti war, and pro personal liberty.
Standing against authoritarianism and for personal freedom of expression and against censorship makes me a "commie"

Pointing out my own governments lies and corruption suddenly makes me "anti American" instead of and American exceptionalist

Showing our own governments shady dealing all over the world and it's effects on our nation as whole makes me a "political hack" and "Putin apologist".


You'd be funny if you weren't so stupid and just so common these days.

What the fuck has happened to common sense anymore?
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Then showed whether they agree or not with their vote.

Look at the opinions, both past and current of every American foreign policy expert for the past thirty years.


And as far as Joe Biden?

No same person believes 81 million live registered American voters voted for this.

Nobody doubts 81 million ballots were produced during the most disorganized and disorderly election in American history. For Joe Biden
 
Being anti war, and pro personal liberty.
Standing against authoritarianism and for personal freedom of expression and against censorship makes me a "commie"
No that's not why you're a commie, it's these statements you've made:
"Then the US banking firms and international monetary fund will decend on Ukraine like vultures and buy up all the assets for pennies on the dollar so that Cargill or Pillsbury can sell ukranian wheat and Exxon or shell can sell ukranian gas instead of the ukranian people."
"Seig heil and ling live the banner of capitalism.
May the murderous, conniving and malevolent bastards you consider heroes continue to rob, rape and plunder the poorest people of the world for years to come."
"The translation thats more accurate is: the US will come in and set up a government that enables international corporations and world monetary funds to exploit all of your resources and reward those who help us do it....
Everyone else gets to celebrate transsexual day and woke dogmas in place of whatever sort of socially cohesive theology or practice's anybody had before, with the modern Wests, generic cookie cutter version of consumerism"
"after the fall of the Soviet Union, western banks and the international monetary fund created the environment that led to the ogliarchy in Russia"
"leading them into war against their neighbors so the ones who survive can enjoy the priveledge of earning wages working for Exxon Mobil and general Mills?"
" the corporations can take over Ukraine and they can own nothing, be nobody but have unlimited porn options and enjoy diversity celebrations"
"Ukranian people will live in a puppet state owned by US corporations and they'll be working the fields and farms they used to own for western bankers."
"All so your holy leadership can steal the resources and wealth of the poorest country in Europe."
"How well has that worked out for anybody except rich bankers and corporate globalist interests?"

"And now they're deep in debt to the most corrupt, greedy, malevolent and vindictive politicians on the planet.
"I don't know who wins this war. Whether it's Joe Biden and his globalist billionaire corporate donors and NATO armed manufacturers, or Russia."
"The real tragedy is for the Ukrainian people.
They thought they were fighting for freedom and independence, led to war by corrupt, greedy politicians of a wealthy nation that doesn't care about them in the least."


These are clearly the rantings of someone with strong communist beliefs bitter about the fall of communism and angry about capitalism coming to Eastern Europe. Well your leaders squandered every extra dollar they had on weapons for border expansion and threatening their rivals, as well as corruption within the Soviet party. The Soviet Union spent 15%-17% percent of their GDP on their military compared to the US 5%-6%.

No same person believes 81 million live registered American voters voted for this.

Nobody doubts 81 million ballots were produced during the most disorganized and disorderly election in American history. For Joe Biden
Well here's how many total votes have been casted in every Presidential election since 1980:
1980: 85.1 million
1984: 92 million
1988: 90 million
1992: 103 million
1996: 94.7 million
2000: 101 million
2004: 121 million
2008: 129 million
2012: 129 million
2016: 129 million
2020: 153 million
If that's your evidence it's a bit weak. I guess the 1992 election and 2004 election was rigged too.

As for what people actually believe:
  • A January 2021 Morning Consult survey of 1,990 registered voters nationwide showed 65% responded that they believe the 2020 election was "free and fair." But when those results were broken down by party affiliation, only one-third of Republicans were in agreement with that statement. When asked what sources helped lead them to believe the election was fraudulent, a majority of Republicans cited former President Donald Trump, who has repeatedly claimed without evidence that his loss was not legitimate.
  • A December 2021 poll of 1,000 adults conducted by the University of Massachusetts Amherst and YouGov, found that 58% of all respondents believed Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 election was legitimate. Only one-third of respondents said it was not legitimate. Of those who view the election as illegitimate, 83% named "fraudulent ballots supporting Joe Biden" as the reason for their belief.
  • Another December 2021 poll, this one conducted by the Washington Post and the University of Maryland, asked 1,101 adults: "Regardless of whom you supported in the 2020 election, do you think Joe Biden’s election as president was legitimate, or was he not legitimately elected?" Nearly 7 in 10 respondents said Biden was legitimately elected, while 29% said he was not.
  • A Quinnipiac University poll conducted one month after the November 2020 election found similar results. Six in 10 respondents said Biden’s win was legitimate, versus 34% who said it was not legitimate. A majority of respondents in the Quinnipiac poll also said they did not believe there was widespread voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election, whereas 38% said they did believe there was fraud.
  • When Quinnipiac conducted a second poll six months after the election, the number of respondents who believed the election to be legitimate increased to nearly two-thirds. Respondents who said the contest was illegitimate dropped to 29%.
 
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No that's not why you're a commie, it's these statements you've made:
"Then the US banking firms and international monetary fund will decend on Ukraine like vultures and buy up all the assets for pennies on the dollar so that Cargill or Pillsbury can sell ukranian wheat and Exxon or shell can sell ukranian gas instead of the ukranian people."
"Seig heil and ling live the banner of capitalism.
May the murderous, conniving and malevolent bastards you consider heroes continue to rob, rape and plunder the poorest people of the world for years to come."
"The translation thats more accurate is: the US will come in and set up a government that enables international corporations and world monetary funds to exploit all of your resources and reward those who help us do it....
Everyone else gets to celebrate transsexual day and woke dogmas in place of whatever sort of socially cohesive theology or practice's anybody had before, with the modern Wests, generic cookie cutter version of consumerism"
"after the fall of the Soviet Union, western banks and the international monetary fund created the environment that led to the ogliarchy in Russia"
"leading them into war against their neighbors so the ones who survive can enjoy the priveledge of earning wages working for Exxon Mobil and general Mills?"
" the corporations can take over Ukraine and they can own nothing, be nobody but have unlimited porn options and enjoy diversity celebrations"
"Ukranian people will live in a puppet state owned by US corporations and they'll be working the fields and farms they used to own for western bankers."
"All so your holy leadership can steal the resources and wealth of the poorest country in Europe."
"How well has that worked out for anybody except rich bankers and corporate globalist interests?"

"And now they're deep in debt to the most corrupt, greedy, malevolent and vindictive politicians on the planet.
"I don't know who wins this war. Whether it's Joe Biden and his globalist billionaire corporate donors and NATO armed manufacturers, or Russia."
"The real tragedy is for the Ukrainian people.
They thought they were fighting for freedom and independence, led to war by corrupt, greedy politicians of a wealthy nation that doesn't care about them in the least."


These are clearly the rantings of someone with strong communist beliefs bitter about the fall of communism and angry about capitalism coming to Eastern Europe. Well your leaders squandered every extra dollar they had on weapons for border expansion and threatening their rivals, as well as corruption within the Soviet party. The Soviet Union spent 15%-17% percent of their GDP on their military compared to the US 5%-6%.


Well here's how many total votes have been casted in every Presidential election since 1980:
1980: 85.1 million
1984: 92 million
1988: 90 million
1992: 103 million
1996: 94.7 million
2000: 101 million
2004: 121 million
2008: 129 million
2012: 129 million
2016: 129 million
2020: 153 million
If that's your evidence it's a bit weak. I guess the 1992 election and 2004 election was rigged too.

As for what people actually believe:
  • A January 2021 Morning Consult survey of 1,990 registered voters nationwide showed 65% responded that they believe the 2020 election was "free and fair." But when those results were broken down by party affiliation, only one-third of Republicans were in agreement with that statement. When asked what sources helped lead them to believe the election was fraudulent, a majority of Republicans cited former President Donald Trump, who has repeatedly claimed without evidence that his loss was not legitimate.
  • A December 2021 poll of 1,000 adults conducted by the University of Massachusetts Amherst and YouGov, found that 58% of all respondents believed Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 election was legitimate. Only one-third of respondents said it was not legitimate. Of those who view the election as illegitimate, 83% named "fraudulent ballots supporting Joe Biden" as the reason for their belief.
  • Another December 2021 poll, this one conducted by the Washington Post and the University of Maryland, asked 1,101 adults: "Regardless of whom you supported in the 2020 election, do you think Joe Biden’s election as president was legitimate, or was he not legitimately elected?" Nearly 7 in 10 respondents said Biden was legitimately elected, while 29% said he was not.
  • A Quinnipiac University poll conducted one month after the November 2020 election found similar results. Six in 10 respondents said Biden’s win was legitimate, versus 34% who said it was not legitimate. A majority of respondents in the Quinnipiac poll also said they did not believe there was widespread voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election, whereas 38% said they did believe there was fraud.
  • When Quinnipiac conducted a second poll six months after the election, the number of respondents who believed the election to be legitimate increased to nearly two-thirds. Respondents who said the contest was illegitimate dropped to 29%.

America has turned communist and every indication is that America is well on its way to becoming more communist. It is more communist than any of those communist countries ever were. All we are missing is scarcity. The difference is that our people won't wait patiently in breadlines: our people will start killing each other.

America tossed out the constitution long ago. If you think this is the country the founding father's intended, then you need to go back and reconsider.

It's impossible to trust any election numbers. We've probably never even had a real election (in the modern era atleast). States are always called well before the entire vote is counted and the result is almost always decided on election night. They don't care about the popular vote or voting at all because it is a democratic republic and the popular vote is more symbolic than decisive. That said, when the popular vote is so overwhelmingly strong for a candidate, it can't be rigged against the candidate so easily. That's probably why Trump won in 2016.

Trump won the 2020 election. The turnout was like nothing ever seen before. Trump filled every venue with thousands of people everywhere he went. We've never seen a bigger rockstar. Meanwhile, Joe Biden couldn't get anyone to attend his rallies. He had like 5-10 people who were paid to be there. Biden did not get that turnout. It's fiction.
 

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