Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[MR_Midas]

It's not emotional .

It's just that that @hometeam guy is an idiot and if you read this thread, his ignorant impetuous lies and bullshit has been pounded into the ground multiple times.

He just keeps parroting it over and over.

My patience with him is exhausted.

Nobody that has any real knowledge of this subject would buy his bullshit.
He parrots it continuously just to try to get attention and hope nobody is paying attention to the reality of the situation.

The guys a useless idiot

Still, you shouldn't insult people. If we admit they are right or not, is it not worth insulting them, or am I wrong?

 

[Hughinn]

Still, you shouldn't insult people. If we admit they are right or not, is it not worth insulting them, or am I wrong?

I think respect is important when it's deserved.

But persistently lying and bullshitting is not worthy of respect at this point.

Reading this thread, that idiot has been caught lying multiple times, showed his untruth just in case he honestly didn't know, and yet he continues to parrot the same lies.

That's not worthy of respect. It's contemptible and wretched. Especially in this case because people are suffering and dying over this They at least deserve the truth

 

[Hughinn]

I think respect is important when it's deserved.

But persistently lying and bullshitting is not worthy of respect at this point.

Reading this thread, that idiot has been caught lying multiple times, showed his untruth just in case he honestly didn't know, and yet he continues to parrot the same lies.

That's not worthy of respect. It's contemptible and wretched. Especially in this case because people are suffering and dying over this They at least deserve the truth

@MR_Midas while nobody can deny Russia made the choice to invade Ukraine, it's utterly dishonest and delusional to buy the "unprovoked" bullshit lies that idiot is parroting.

All sides deserve blame in the travesty and death this senseless war is causing.

And I cannot respect an asshole who can pretend like this is some kind of childish crusade of good vs evil, when in reality it's just greedy conniving ambitions of a few corrupt people out for themselves.

Good men are dying, while pathetic pieces of shit like him are cheering.

I do not have any respect for that.

 

[MR_Midas]

I think respect is important when it's deserved.

But persistently lying and bullshitting is not worthy of respect at this point.

Reading this thread, that idiot has been caught lying multiple times, showed his untruth just in case he honestly didn't know, and yet he continues to parrot the same lies.

That's not worthy of respect. It's contemptible and wretched. Especially in this case because people are suffering and dying over this They at least deserve the truth

I did not see his deliberate lies, but I admit that I simply did not see these posts. Can a person sincerely believe that this is true? And did not deliberately go for it?

 

[MR_Midas]

@MR_Midas while nobody can deny Russia made the choice to invade Ukraine, it's utterly dishonest and delusional to buy the "unprovoked" bullshit lies that idiot is parroting.

All sides deserve blame in the travesty and death this senseless war is causing.

And I cannot respect an asshole who can pretend like this is some kind of childish crusade of good vs evil, when in reality it's just greedy conniving ambitions of a few corrupt people out for themselves.

Good men are dying, while pathetic pieces of shit like him are cheering.

I do not have any respect for that.

I agree that all parties are to blame, Ukraine, Pogryazhskaya in corruption. Russia where there is a dictator who thinks he is the ruler of the world. And of course, the United States could not do without the participation of our authorities.

 

[AlexSpb]

I agree that all parties are to blame, Ukraine, Pogryazhskaya in corruption. Russia where there is a dictator who thinks he is the ruler of the world. And of course, the United States could not do without the participation of our authorities.

But unlike US in Russia you can speak freely or protest unlike Canada.
For 30 years before SMO the biggest opposition news channels on radio and television were sponsored also by Russian Government while they were also taking money directly from Congress of USA. Is it even remotely possible in States? You will be ostracised immediately or even imprisoned for what ever reason if some press have connections with Russia. AND Russian opposition press were getting grants from American Government (paying taxes from them in Russia LOL) and also in the time were financially helped by Russian Government to air their programs. In this light where is a Dictatorship corrupt Government? More likely it is USA.
Not talking of closing all Russia Chanels on YouTube. NOTHING in Russia is closed, that is not calls for PHYSICAL HARM of Russian people. All western propaganda is aired freely. You can choose your own poison.

 

[Hughinn]

But unlike US in Russia you can speak freely or protest unlike Canada.
For 30 years before SMO the biggest opposition news channels on radio and television were sponsored also by Russian Government while they were also taking money directly from Congress of USA. Is it even remotely possible in States? You will be ostracised immediately or even imprisoned for what ever reason if some press have connections with Russia. AND Russian opposition press were getting grants from American Government (paying taxes from them in Russia LOL) and also in the time were financially helped by Russian Government to air their programs. In this light where is a Dictatorship corrupt Government? More likely it is USA.
Not talking of closing all Russia Chanels on YouTube. NOTHING in Russia is closed, that is not calls for PHYSICAL HARM of Russian people. All western propaganda is aired freely. You can choose your own poison.

You cannot choose in America.

Anything in media that makes an attempt to tell the Russian side of this, or even simply to cast both points of view on equal terms is banned in America.

While at the same time, in Ukraine during the US state department coup of 2014 several US sponsored media outlets operated freely while all others were shut down.

I'm not here saying one side is good and the other bad like that other goddamn idiot keeps parroting.

I'm saying all sides are at fault here. And I know my American government is literally guilty of everything they've accused others of being. They've, lied us into yet another war for greed.

 

[Hughinn]

I did not see his deliberate lies, but I admit that I simply did not see these posts. Can a person sincerely believe that this is true? And did not deliberately go for it?

You didn't see the stupid bastard lie multiple times about the 2014 coup being over a poisoning of a US state department asset?

Even when it started way before, was sponsored by the US and put a US state department asset in control?

You didn't see the dishonest piece of shit claim multiple times that Russia was not provoked and simply wanted to take over the world? Despite being shown a long history of the US government lying and backstabbing for decades while Russia continued to back up and draw lines until we finally crossed one they couldn't swallow?

Fuck, I could fill an entire page with his bullshit and lies

You believe NATO is a "harmless defense treaty that just wants to help people"?

That guy is a tool. A moron and a dishonest disingenuous unoriginal POS.

 

[Norse13]

You cannot choose in America.

Anything in media that makes an attempt to tell the Russian side of this, or even simply to cast both points of view on equal terms is banned in America.

Is that really true?

Can you not access the main Russian news agencies? Use Google Translate if you can't read Russian.
Can you please try Pravda dot ru, RT dot com, TASS dot com, meduza dot io, vesti dot ru, iz dot ru

Are they really blocked from USA ?

 

[Hughinn]

Is that really true?

Can you not access the main Russian news agencies? Use Google Translate if you can't read Russian.
Can you please try Pravda dot ru, RT dot com, TASS dot com, meduza dot io, vesti dot ru, iz dot ru

Are they really blocked from USA ?

Anything mentioning any information contrary to the lies of CNN and Washington DC cannot be found anywhere on mainstream media in the USA. Due to censorship.

And that is absolutely a fact.

Can a computer savvy person using a translator app and unconventional sources searching hard enough find a different perspective?

Sure. But how many average American people will bother to do that?

But our own media simply will not tell an objective and unbiased news segment regarding this situation.

And that's not at all reflective of a free press. Is it? That's the point @AlexSpb was making, and he's not wrong.

A recent study made by Bots manipulate public opinion in Russia-Ukraine conflict

Showed that our government is using a massive bot army to influence opinions on this war and simultaneously censoring information to the the contrary from virtually all mainstream sources most people use.

Just look at that ignorant fuck on here for the result

So yes, his point is valid, and true.

 

[Norse13]

Anything mentioning any information contrary to the lies of CNN and Washington DC cannot be found anywhere on mainstream media in the USA. Due to censorship.

And that is absolutely a fact.

Can a computer savvy person using a translator app and unconventional sources searching hard enough find a different perspective?

Sure. But how many average American people will bother to do that?

But our own media simply will not tell an objective and unbiased news segment regarding this situation.

And that's not at all reflective of a free press. Is it? That's the point @AlexSpb was making, and he's not wrong.

You can hardly call the main news channels in another country for "unconventional sources". Should I, as a European, refer to CNN as unconventional source?

RT is even in English language, as well as French, Arabic and Spanish. I watch their TV channel myself once in a while. As well as AlJazeera English, it has good coverage of parts of the world where I used to live for many years (East and West Africa).

For a contrary view on something else than Ukraine, check our "RT News" on YouTube, their program December 01 2022 (0900 MSK). The very first slot is about French issues in West Africa, very different viewpoints than French media for sure.

I think it is helpful to watch news produced in other countries once in a while, gives different viewpoints. Not necessarily more true, but definitely different.

 

[Hughinn]

You can hardly call the main news channels in another country for "unconventional sources". Should I, as a European, refer to CNN as unconventional source?

RT is even in English language, as well as French, Arabic and Spanish. I watch their TV channel myself once in a while. As well as AlJazeera English, it has good coverage of parts of the world where I used to live for many years (East and West Africa).

For a contrary view on something else than Ukraine, check our "RT News" on YouTube, their program December 01 2022 (0900 MSK). The very first slot is about French issues in West Africa, very different viewpoints than French media for sure.

I think it is helpful to watch news produced in other countries once in a while, gives different viewpoints. Not necessarily more true, but definitely different.

In other words, you cannot find different viewpoints in the media of this country, and that's fine with you because you can look in other countries news if you're interested and motivated enough and you don't consider that "outside of the mainstream".

Really? Think about what you're saying here.

I also believe it's helpful to research other viewpoints from other people. And I also think an honest media in any country would be interested in telling both sides.

Unfortunately our own media definitely not honest and is strictly DNC/Washington establishment propoganda which was the relevant point here. And that hasn't changed just because you look outside your own country for news. That doesn't refute the point....it reiterates it.

Because you shouldn't have to in the first place

 

[Norse13]

In other words, you cannot find different viewpoints in the media of this country, and that's fine with you because you can look in other countries news if you're interested and motivated enough and you don't consider that "outside of the mainstream".

Really? Think about what you're saying here.

I also believe it's helpful to research other viewpoints from other people. And I also think an honest media in any country would be interested in telling both sides.

Unfortunately our own media definitely not honest and is strictly DNC/Washington establishment propoganda which was the relevant point here. And that hasn't changed just because you look outside your own country for news. That doesn't refute the point....it reiterates it.

Because you shouldn't have to in the first place

I have never been to USA in my life, I don't really have any opinions on the quality of news there. I have worked and lived in many countries on 3 continents and generally I find that local media have stronger focus on domestic issues than international, and that international news is usually biased one way or other.

International news generally is of less interest to the readership than domestic issues and sports. I lived in Australia for some years, the local media did not have much coverage of events in South America, nor did most Australians really care who won elections in Paraguay and whether those elections were free and fair - or not.

If I was living in USA and wanted to know what the key current topics in Canada were, I would read up Canadian news sources rather than CNN.

When I lived in Middle East, I did read Arab News and AlJazeera to get an overview of local issues rather than relying on BBC news.

Saying that, I do frequently read on a daily basis The Guardian (British) which I feel is less biased. Or perhaps it's just that their biases align with my own views. On a daily basis I read news from at least 4 countries (UK, USA, 2 European countries), trying to catch a diversity of viewpoints.

 

[MR_Midas]

You didn't see the stupid bastard lie multiple times about the 2014 coup being over a poisoning of a US state department asset?

Even when it started way before, was sponsored by the US and put a US state department asset in control?

You didn't see the dishonest piece of shit claim multiple times that Russia was not provoked and simply wanted to take over the world? Despite being shown a long history of the US government lying and backstabbing for decades while Russia continued to back up and draw lines until we finally crossed one they couldn't swallow?

Fuck, I could fill an entire page with his bullshit and lies

You believe NATO is a "harmless defense treaty that just wants to help people"?

That guy is a tool. A moron and a dishonest disingenuous unoriginal POS.

Of course, NATO is a military-political organization. Which labirovat interests of those who order the music.

 

[MR_Midas]

In other words, you cannot find different viewpoints in the media of this country, and that's fine with you because you can look in other countries news if you're interested and motivated enough and you don't consider that "outside of the mainstream".

Really? Think about what you're saying here.

I also believe it's helpful to research other viewpoints from other people. And I also think an honest media in any country would be interested in telling both sides.

Unfortunately our own media definitely not honest and is strictly DNC/Washington establishment propoganda which was the relevant point here. And that hasn't changed just because you look outside your own country for news. That doesn't refute the point....it reiterates it.

Because you shouldn't have to in the first place

So the media in Russia or Europe are different? It seems to me that there are no independent media, their opinion is paid and staged. Independents quickly absorb or remove = close.

 

[Hughinn]

Of course, NATO is a military-political organization. Which labirovat interests of those who order the music.

Exactly, and NATO has political goals it uses military tactics to achieve.

Like advancing on enemy territory using unconventional tactics like Workshop - Cognitive Warfare Concept :: NATO's ACT.

This is aggression. This is warfare waged to achieve political goals and empirical advancement.

This is NOT "defensive" treaty conduct. It's aggressive warfare waged on a different plane.

Nothing else. Don't listen to that fucking retard @hometeam

NATO is a weapon

 

[Hughinn]

So the media in Russia or Europe are different? It seems to me that there are no independent media, their opinion is paid and staged. Independents quickly absorb or remove = close.

That's exactly my point sir.

The "free press" in most of the world my friend has become state sponsored propoganda by the powerful elite. It's not a free press. No more in America than in Europe or Russia.

But the people, have the power. That's the secret. The people are really the ones that can decide what really happens.

If we could just wake the fuck up!

Don't buy the bullshit! Don't listen to the idiots. The "party line propoganda" parroted by the fools can only lead other fools.
Don't be one of them.

 

[Hughinn]

I have never been to USA in my life, I don't really have any opinions on the quality of news there. I have worked and lived in many countries on 3 continents and generally I find that local media have stronger focus on domestic issues than international, and that international news is usually biased one way or other.

International news generally is of less interest to the readership than domestic issues and sports. I lived in Australia for some years, the local media did not have much coverage of events in South America, nor did most Australians really care who won elections in Paraguay and whether those elections were free and fair - or not.

If I was living in USA and wanted to know what the key current topics in Canada were, I would read up Canadian news sources rather than CNN.

When I lived in Middle East, I did read Arab News and AlJazeera to get an overview of local issues rather than relying on BBC news.

Saying that, I do frequently read on a daily basis The Guardian (British) which I feel is less biased. Or perhaps it's just that their biases align with my own views. On a daily basis I read news from at least 4 countries (UK, USA, 2 European countries), trying to catch a diversity of viewpoints.

You speak wisely to your own credit.

The type of men willing to make himself informed regardless of what the popular narrative is wherever he is at.

But, you're not typical my friend.

Most people look the local news and consider it the truth. In lots of cases, it's not.
You seek it on your own, and if most people were like you, then things would be different.

Unfortunately, they're not.

 

[hometeam]

You didn't see the stupid bastard lie multiple times about the 2014 coup being over a poisoning of a US state department asset?

I never said that. I said there was an Orange revolution in 2004 and a Revolution of Dignity in 2014, and that the poisoning of Yuschenko '04, refusing to sign an EU association agreement that had been promised '14 had all played a part in angering the Ukrainians, not wanting to be a vassal state to Russia and Putin, leading to the overthrow of the pro-Russian puppet. I can't help it if you misread me.

In 2014 Putin's puppet Yanukovych was overthrown in Ukraine. He refused to sign an EU association agreement he had promised for years and then violently cracked down on protesters, and then planned to flee the capital, apparently hoping he could rebuild his power base outside Kyiv until planned December 2014 elections. Instead, his allies abandoned him, and so he abandoned Ukraine. He lives in exile in Russia now. Ukraine's congress impeached him while he was away for abandoning his position. Every other candidate for President in the last 20 years (Yuschenko, Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Zalensky) has been pro-West. Putin's people have talked about having him run the Donbas. The Russians poisoned his opposition in 2004.

Was this part of a US state department "coup"? I hope so, because it's clear Ukraine doesn't want to be a vassal state to Putin. So Putin started recruiting, funding, equipping and training anti-Ukraine militias in the Donbas... sending in non-uniformed soldiers. Shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 killing 300 people. Trying to create his own unrest, the kind that got his puppet overthrown, except that it didn't work it just angered the Ukrainians more, solidified their opposition to Russia. Zelensky was elected in 2019 and had nothing to do with 2014. But Putin wanted a puppet in Ukraine and there are no other pro-Russia candidates. He thought his military could swat Ukraine's like a fly and install a puppet regime. That turned out to be a big miscalculation and big mistake.

You believe NATO is a "harmless defense treaty that just wants to help people"?

NATO as an organization has had a couple small bombing campaigns in Yugoslavia and Libya (UN resolutions 713 and 1973) but other than that nothing offensive. And you don't see any of the 30 NATO member countries trying to expand their borders like Russia does, except for arguably Turkey with the Kurds.

NATO is about "hey, if you attack Estonia you attack all of Europe" and after Putin's '07 Munich speech, attacking Georgia and Ukraine, it's pretty clear every one of their neighbors should be NATO members now, for their own security and to contain this reasonable threat of Russian expansion.

Fuck, I could fill an entire page with his bullshit and lies

Well lets see it, where are the lies.

 

[Hughinn]

I never said that. I said there was ean Orange revolution in 2004 and a Revolution of Dignity in 2014, and that the poisoning of Yuschenko '04, refusing to sign an EU association agreement that had been promised '14 had all played a part in uering the Ukrainians, not wanting to be a vassal state to Russia and Putin, leading to the overthrow of the pro-Russian puppet.

Numerous lies and bullshit right here.

The first US state department coup in Ukraine in 2004 was to install yushchenko, not a "Russian attempt to overthrow him".

Because yushchenko was installed president after the US coup in 2004 merely to be run off by 2010 for corruption and the previous president Yanukovych re elected by a landslide to fix the corruption in 2010.

You just can not stop with bullshit and lies.

Yushchenko was a US state department asset. Through and through. His wife was literally an employee of the US state department.

The 2004 US coup was to install him. NOT protest his defeat, you stupid lying bastard.

I can't help it if you misread me.

Using your own own bullshit and lies, is not misreading you.

It's calling your lies and bullshit for what it is.

Lies and bullshit.

In 2014 Putin's puppet Yanukovych was overthrown in Ukraine.

Yes, by way of the second US state department coup in Ukraine. Yanukovych was overthrown, despite being legally elected for the second time.

The US government overthrew the Ukrainian government twice in 10 years because they kept electing people the US state department didn't like.

He refused to sign an EU association agreement he had promised for years and then violently cracked down on protesters, and then planned to flee the capital, apparently hoping he could rebuild his power base outside Kyiv until planned December 2014 elections.

This is completely horseshit.

Yanukovych, like most Ukraine leadership prior to himself tried to maintain a neutral position and get what he could from both sides. Russia and NATO.

You have no proof whatsoever to back up that bullshit. You're lying and bullshitting

Instead, his allies abandoned him, and so he abandoned Ukraine. He lives in exile in Russia now. Ukraine's congress impeached him while he was away for abandoning his position.

Post a US state department coup.

How is any of that credible?

Every other candidate for President in the last 20 years (Yuschenko, Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Zalensky) has been pro-West. Putin's people have talked about having him run the Donbas. The Russians poisoned his opposition in 2004.

Again, lies and bullshit

Was this part of a US state department "coup"? I hope so, because it's clear Ukraine doesn't want to be a vassal state to Putin.

More lies.

If all of Ukraine was in agreement, the the US government coups would not have started a civil war.

So Putin started recruiting, funding, equipping and training anti-Ukraine militias in the Donbas... sending in non-uniformed soldiers. Shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 killing 300 people. Trying to create his own unrest, the kind that got his puppet overthrown, except that it didn't work it just angered the Ukrainians more, solidified their opposition to Russia. Zelensky was elected in 2019 and had nothing to do with 2014. But Putin wanted a puppet in Ukraine and there are no other pro-Russia candidates. He thought his military could swat Ukraine's like a fly and install a puppet regime. That turned out to be a big miscalculation and big mistake.


NATO as an organization has had a couple small bombing campaigns in Yugoslavia and Libya (UN resolutions 713 and 1973) but other than that nothing offensive. And you don't see any of the 30 NATO member countries trying to expand their borders like Russia does, except for arguably Turkey with the Kurds.

NATO is about "hey, if you attack Estonia you attack all of Europe" and after Putin's '07 Munich speech, attacking Georgia and Ukraine, it's pretty clear every one of their neighbors should be NATO members now, for their own security and to contain this reasonable threat of Russian expansion.


Well lets see it, where are the lies.

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