Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

Numerous lies and bullshit right here.

The first US state department coup in Ukraine in 2004 was to install yushchenko, not a "Russian attempt to overthrow him".

Because yushchenko was installed president after the US coup in 2004 merely to be run off by 2010 for corruption and the previous president Yanukovych re elected by a landslide to fix the corruption in 2010.

You just can not stop with bullshit and lies.
So in 2004 Putin's puppet Yanukovych ran against Yuschenko, who ended up winning after a runoff election. Yuschenko was poisoned in an assassination attempt and this was the result:
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The people he believed poisoned him were given Russian citizenship and sheltered in Russia.

This happened. Why do you keep saying this is a lie? Just because Yuschenko ended up winning after the Orange revolution and rerun doesn't mean the Russians (or pro-Russian people sheltered in Russia) didn't try to kill him while he was their puppet Yanukovych's opponent. And that planted anti-Russian sentiment. This was a Russian coup attempt in Ukraine.

What's a lie about this? It's easily verifiable. It's the truth.

The US government overthrew the Ukrainian government twice in 10 years because they kept electing people the US state department didn't like.
I'm sorry, did the US govt at any time try to assassinate Putin's puppet in Ukraine or shelter those who did? Was Yanukovych ever given a deadly poison like his opponent was in '04? Or was he just run out of town by an angry mob and impeached by congress?
 
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That's exactly my point sir.

The "free press" in most of the world my friend has become state sponsored propoganda by the powerful elite. It's not a free press. No more in America than in Europe or Russia.

But the people, have the power. That's the secret. The people are really the ones that can decide what really happens.

If we could just wake the fuck up!

Don't buy the bullshit! Don't listen to the idiots. The "party line propoganda" parroted by the fools can only lead other fools.
Don't be one of them.
Something I doubt that ordinary people have power, officials, leaders have it. Power will then be when there will be popular unrest and acts of disagreement. Think so.
 
Exactly, and NATO has political goals it uses military tactics to achieve.

Like advancing on enemy territory using unconventional tactics like Workshop - Cognitive Warfare Concept :: NATO's ACT.

This is aggression. This is warfare waged to achieve political goals and empirical advancement.

This is NOT "defensive" treaty conduct. It's aggressive warfare waged on a different plane.

Nothing else. Don't listen to that fucking retard @hometeam

NATO is a weapon
I agree that we need a military organization. I say that all parties are to blame. I kind of already wrote both Russia and NATO.
 
So in 2004 Putin's puppet Yanukovych ran against Yuschenko, who ended up winning after a runoff election. Yuschenko was poisoned in an assassination attempt and this was the result:
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The people he believed poisoned him were given Russian citizenship and sheltered in Russia.

This happened. Why do you keep saying this is a lie? Just because Yuschenko ended up winning after the Orange revolution and rerun doesn't mean the Russians (or pro-Russian people sheltered in Russia) didn't try to kill him while he was their puppet Yanukovych's opponent. And that planted anti-Russian sentiment. This was a Russian coup attempt in Ukraine.

What's a lie about this? It's easily verifiable. It's the truth.

Still lying and bullshitting.

You said the poisoning of yushchenko caused the revolution repeatedly

That's a lie

The revolution happened before the revolution.

Get your lies straight.



I'm sorry, did the US govt at any time try to assassinate Putin's puppet in Ukraine or shelter those who did? Was Yanukovych ever given a deadly poison like his opponent was in '04? Or was he just run out of town by an angry mob and impeached by congress?


The US tried to assassinate many Eastern European leaders, like the current president of Belarus for example.

As well as many other coup attempts in Belarus, Kyrgyzstan, Iran, Syria, Yugoslavia, Libya, Venezuela, Cuba and the list goes on and on.

Does Russia have a single ally the US state department has not tried to overthrow?

China maybe, but I'm sure they'd try that too if they could.

You're a lying sleazy piece of shit trying to deny such actions are not aggressive and hostile.
 
I never said that. I said there was an Orange revolution in 2004 and a Revolution of Dignity in 2014, and that the poisoning of Yuschenko '04, refusing to sign an EU association agreement that had been promised '14 had all played a part in angering the Ukrainians, not wanting to be a vassal state to Russia and Putin, leading to the overthrow of the pro-Russian puppet. I can't help it if you misread me.

In 2014 Putin's puppet Yanukovych was overthrown in Ukraine. He refused to sign an EU association agreement he had promised for years and then violently cracked down on protesters, and then planned to flee the capital, apparently hoping he could rebuild his power base outside Kyiv until planned December 2014 elections. Instead, his allies abandoned him, and so he abandoned Ukraine. He lives in exile in Russia now. Ukraine's congress impeached him while he was away for abandoning his position. Every other candidate for President in the last 20 years (Yuschenko, Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Zalensky) has been pro-West. Putin's people have talked about having him run the Donbas. The Russians poisoned his opposition in 2004.

Was this part of a US state department "coup"? I hope so, because it's clear Ukraine doesn't want to be a vassal state to Putin. So Putin started recruiting, funding, equipping and training anti-Ukraine militias in the Donbas

All lies.
"there was the Orange Revolution in 2004 because the Russians (or Russian backed people, now sheltered in Russia) did this to the Ukrainian President Yushchenko to try and kill him and get their pro-Russian puppet Yanukovych installed"

Lies...

The poisoning happened AFTER the US government coup of 2004 NOT before. And the US state department coup was NOT because of it, because it happened well after the coup.

It was because yushchenko was a corrupt POS, who would later be run out of office because of his corruption.

yushchenko was a straight up state department asset. No denying it.

the coup happened before his poisoning, not after. You keep lying and bullshitting.

yushchenko was thrown out in a perfectly legal election in 2010 because of his corruption and money fleecing
Yanukovych was re-elected by a landslide then the US state department ran the second coup in 2014 against the same guy.

Because ukranian people kept electing people Washington DC didn't want in power.

So in 2014, they recruited neo Nazi militia groups like sveboda and right sector to overthrow the ukranian government and install the one they have today.

Here's John McCain with neo Nazi militia leaders before the coup
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stop lying and bullshitting.

Research who these people are you stupid fuck.

Understand that this conflict was caused by aggressive billigerent hostile and empirical acts by both sides.

Ukraine is a corrupt Eastern European ogliarchy that bribed Joe Biden and has it's own corrupt agenda.

None of it benifits American citizens

You're an ignorant wretch cheering this on

And you're a stupid bastard because you keep saying Russia poisoned him. When it's entirely possible some members of his own cabinet did it. Ukraine is a fucked up corrupt place, run by gangsters that bribe DNC politicians regularly. Nobody knows what happened there. But you keep lying


And Malaysian airlines flight was literally shot down over sm open warzone and nobody really knows what happened. Everyone is pointing the finger and most likely it was an accidental shot no matter who did it.

But you just keep lying and bullshitting claiming Russia did it , which is impossible because Russia wasn't even in the area and maybe the DPK shot it down, maybe the ukranian Nazi militia did.... nobody knows for sure. But it wasn't intentional either way and Russia damn sure didn't do it.

But you keep lying and bullshitting

It's pathetic really
 
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All lies.
"there was the Orange Revolution in 2004 because the Russians (or Russian backed people, now sheltered in Russia) did this to the Ukrainian President Yushchenko to try and kill him and get their pro-Russian puppet Yanukovych installed"

Lies...

The poisoning happened AFTER the US government coup of 2004 NOT before. And the US state department coup was NOT because of it, because it happened well after the coup.
Well here's an article from December 11th, 2004 about Yuschenko being poisoned:

The Orange Revolution took place from November 22, 2004 to January 10th 2005 when Yuschenko was declared the runoff winner. So while it wasn't the sole cause of it, it sure was fueled by the poisoning/assassination attempt. And people sure remembered this 10 years later.

So why with all the lies accusations? Do you have to start acting like people have bad intentions just because they (like most people) disagree with you?

But you just keep lying and bullshitting claiming Russia did it , which is impossible because Russia wasn't even in the area and maybe the DPK shot it down, maybe the ukranian Nazi militia did.... nobody knows for sure. But it wasn't intentional either way and Russia damn sure didn't do it.
Sure but Russia refused to extradite the people they wanted to prosecute and try in court for the poisoning.
 
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Well here's an article from December 11th, 2004 about Yuschenko being poisoned:

The Orange Revolution took place from November 22, 2004 to January 10th 2005 when Yuschenko was declared the runoff winner. So while it wasn't the sole cause of it, it sure was fueled by the poisoning/assassination attempt. And people sure remembered this 10 years later.

So why with all the lies accusations? Do you have to start acting like people have bad intentions just because they (like most people) disagree with you?


Sure but Russia refused to extradite the people they wanted to prosecute and try in court for the poisoning.
Politics is apparently more complicated than a chess game, and it is sometimes difficult to figure out where is the lie and where is the truth. Sometimes incomprehensible combinations are played out over the chessboard.
 
Well here's an article from December 11th, 2004 about Yuschenko being poisoned:

The Orange Revolution took place from November 22, 2004 to January 10th 2005 when Yuschenko was declared the runoff winner. So while it wasn't the sole cause of it, it sure was fueled by the poisoning/assassination attempt. And people sure remembered this 10 years later.

So why with all the lies accusations? Do you have to start acting like people have bad intentions just because they (like most people) disagree with you?


Sure but Russia refused to extradite the people they wanted to prosecute and try in court for the poisoning.

Because you're a lying piece of shit.

You just straight make up bullshit and you parrot the same garbage CNN MSNBC and DNC propoganda networks spew 24/7.

You don't make any sense and contradict yourself like a fool constantly.

You say Putin is this melomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination and that it's some kind of real threat that he could.

Yet then you turn around and claim he's losing in Ukraine. Stupid.

And the fact is Putin is absolutely no threat whatsoever to the liberty of American citizens and America herself doesn't have a single legitimate national security concern in Ukraine.

But you keep lying and parroting DNC propoganda.

You pretend like Ukraine is some kind of holy land of desperate people seeking to be saved by your divine leadership and blessed with our type of democracy.

But the reality is that Ukraine is a fucked up corrupt Eastern European ogliarchy full of rampant corruption and fleecing operations run by gangsters and ogliarchs that have been bribing Joe Biden and other mostly DNC politicians for years. And the only interest any of them have in Ukraine is to line thier own pockets. Because our own type of "democracy" has been corrupted and perverted beyond the point of recognition at this point anyway.


Your bullshit is way seperate and doesn't even resemble reality. It's just a bad attempt at parroting the same bullshit we all see on state sponsored media outlets day in and out every day.

It's nauseous. Your an unoriginal, cowardly wretch who wants to sound smart by learning all the latest gossip his television can tell him without ever reading a goddamn book or doing any real research whatsoever.

A pathetic person, a punk, a bitch.

And listening to your horseshit is tiresome and not informative. Because nothing you say hasn't been said better on state sponsored media.

I wish you'd just cut the bullshit and lies. Say something original. Discuss the subject openly and sincerely. Or just fuck off and go away.
 
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I agree with Ukraine, but I doubt that Putin is so safe for Europe and America. There is a direct competition for dominance, who will beat whom.
 
I agree with Ukraine, but I doubt that Putin is so safe for Europe and America. There is a direct competition for dominance, who will beat whom.

Except the competition for dominance is between Russia, China and the US.

Not between Russia and Ukraine.

Ukraine is being used as a proxy war and battlefield between forces well beyond the country itself. A few very rich people in Kiev and Washington DC will profit from this, nobody else. Especially not the Ukrainian people.

So what do you mean you "agree with Ukraine"?

Because if someone really gave a damn about the ukranian people, they would not agree with any of this.

And Putin is absolutely zero threat to the liberty and prosperity of the American people who are funding this war. Putin could not threaten the liberty of the American people even if he wanted too.

Joe Biden on the other hand is a direct threat to the liberty and prosperity of the American people , and Joe Biden also could have easily prevented this war in Ukraine with diplomacy if he wanted to.

But the same Rich Eastern European ogliarchs that have been bribing him for years are now the ones getting billions of taxpayers dollars funneled into Ukraine.

The real losers in this game is the Ukrainian people and the American taxpayers
 
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Except the competition for dominance is between Russia, China and the US.

Not between Russia and Ukraine.

Ukraine is being used as a proxy war and battlefield between forces well beyond the country itself. A few very rich people in Kiev and Washington DC will profit from this, nobody else. Especially not the Ukrainian people.

So what do you mean you "agree with Ukraine"?

Because if someone really gave a damn about the ukranian people, they would not agree with any of this.

And Putin is absolutely zero threat to the liberty and prosperity of the American people who are funding this war. Putin could not threaten the liberty of the American people even if he wanted too.

Joe Biden on the other hand is a direct threat to the liberty and prosperity of the American people , and Joe Biden also could have easily prevented this war in Ukraine with diplomacy if he wanted to.

But the same Rich Eastern European ogliarchs that have been bribing him for years are now the ones getting billions of taxpayers dollars funneled into Ukraine.

The real losers in this game is the Ukrainian people and the American taxpayers


And your solution is?

For ukraine to simply let russia take part of its country? So that ppl dont die?

And so when they do that, you really think russia wont then try to take more? Or turn its attention to other former soviet states and land grab there too?

Or what, NATO should dissolve? Becayse then in your mind Russia will no longer feel threatened and thus stop invading its former soviet states? Becsause id expect the exact opposite to happenif NATO ceased to exist, it would simply empower russia to do more, not pacify them.
 
You will be arguing this point all day and every day, @Hughinn is a true believer.

The argument starts at are ukranians in Russia or are Russians in Ukraine.

This is the filter that separates fact from bullshit.

Wow Paul.

At the end of the day you're just like that other ignorant cocksucker aren't you?

You stupid bastards have never read and researched the history of these nations, and you're not really even interested in it, or of war for profit in general, or even war as a human experience like Ernst junger or anyone else has written about

Fuck me, god forbid you ignorant bastards ever read a book once in awhile, or reflect for even one second on the big picture.

Maybe, just maybe, Paul, the shit ain't really that simple and comic book good guys vs bad guys is just a fantasy?
 
And your solution is?

For ukraine to simply let russia take part of its country? So that ppl dont die?

Look, you've got to be realistic here.

This could have easily been prevented by simple low cost diplomacy by US NATO Ukraine alliance, but they chose not to.

Nobody had to die, because this didn't have to happen.




And so when they do that, you really think russia wont then try to take more? Or turn its attention to other former soviet states and land grab there too?

You really think Russia is trying to "take over the world"?

Italy has a better chance of rebuilding the Roman empire than Russia does the Soviet Union, much less taking over the world. Stop parroting bullshit and be realistic.


Or what, NATO should dissolve? Becayse then in your mind Russia will no longer feel threatened and thus stop invading its former soviet states? Becsause id expect the exact opposite to happenif NATO ceased to exist, it would simply empower russia to do more, not pacify them.

Without a "hostile Russia" there would be no need for NATO.

Maybe, just maybe, that's exactly why Russia wasn't allowed into NATO after the fall of the Soviet Union, despite the fact that asked twice to join NATO.

Because if NATO was a defensive alliance, then why not?

But if it's a tool for empirical expansion, then if Russia joins NATO, it defeated the purpose of NATO. Which is globalist empirical expansion of western banks and corporatized finance systems on a global scale. Localized "national security" is obviously bullshit. Because if it was true, then what stabilizes and prevents war and conflict more than Russia joining NATO?

Wake the fuck up.

What is NATO? A defensive treaty to prevent war comprised of many diverse nations and types of government?

Or a tool to contain and erode anything that doesn't conform to western banking interests and aspirations of US empire?
 
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Wow Paul.

At the end of the day you're just like that other ignorant cocksucker aren't you?

You stupid bastards have never read and researched the history of these nations, and you're not really even interested in it, or of war for profit in general, or even war as a human experience like Ernst junger or anyone else has written about

Fuck me, god forbid you ignorant bastards ever read a book once in awhile, or reflect for even one second on the big picture.

Maybe, just maybe, Paul, the shit ain't really that simple and comic book good guys vs bad guys is just a fantasy?
Dude I think there is something wrong with you.

Maybe I should have said there is no sense in attempting to have a rational conversation with you and it's best to not feed the troll
 
Dude I think there is something wrong with you.

Maybe I should have said there is no sense in attempting to have a rational conversation with you and it's best to not feed the troll
Oh you're gonna find he's perfectly fine with Russians killing Ukrainians by invading Ukraine because "they were provoked" and "you don't piss in a man's yard without getting beaten near to death" but when it comes to Russia provoking NATO by invading a European country he just can't see that logic and when it comes to helping Ukraine defend itself with aid "you're a warmongering murderous cheerleading cocksucker and just think of all the people that kills."

Anyone who reads his posts can see he lost rationality and reason over this long ago. When logic can't prove his views he'll call you a liar and insult you (punk, bitch, keyboard warrior fighting words.) I'm not sure why @MR_Midas or @Megadick3000 entertains his rantings.

And he's made quite a few anti-capitalism statements:
"Then the US banking firms and international monetary fund will decend on Ukraine like vultures and buy up all the assets for pennies on the dollar so that Cargill or Pillsbury can sell ukranian wheat and Exxon or shell can sell ukranian gas instead of the ukranian people."
"Seig heil and ling live the banner of capitalism.
May the murderous, conniving and malevolent bastards you consider heroes continue to rob, rape and plunder the poorest people of the world for years to come."
"The translation thats more accurate is: the US will come in and set up a government that enables international corporations and world monetary funds to exploit all of your resources and reward those who help us do it....
Everyone else gets to celebrate transsexual day and woke dogmas in place of whatever sort of socially cohesive theology or practice's anybody had before, with the modern Wests, generic cookie cutter version of consumerism"
"after the fall of the Soviet Union, western banks and the international monetary fund created the environment that led to the ogliarchy in Russia"
"leading them into war against their neighbors so the ones who survive can enjoy the priveledge of earning wages working for Exxon Mobil and general Mills?"
" the corporations can take over Ukraine and they can own nothing, be nobody but have unlimited porn options and enjoy diversity celebrations"
"Ukranian people will live in a puppet state owned by US corporations and they'll be working the fields and farms they used to own for western bankers."
"All so your holy leadership can steal the resources and wealth of the poorest country in Europe."
"How well has that worked out for anybody except rich bankers and corporate globalist interests?"

"And now they're deep in debt to the most corrupt, greedy, malevolent and vindictive politicians on the planet.
"I don't know who wins this war. Whether it's Joe Biden and his globalist billionaire corporate donors and NATO armed manufacturers, or Russia."
"The real tragedy is for the Ukrainian people.
They thought they were fighting for freedom and independence, led to war by corrupt, greedy politicians of a wealthy nation that doesn't care about them in the least."


He's said this about Biden:
"is the same one Joe Biden and the DNC are telling us now is worth WW3 and mutually assured destruction"
"Stop trying to rule the whole goddamn world It would be a better place without Joe Biden too."
"But I know enough about them, and Joe Biden to tell them all to kiss my fuckin ass. As I'd rather cut their necks than shake their hands.
Because Joe Biden doesn't get to decide where I live, what I believe and where my grandchildren will die. I won't bow before the idols of wokeness and empire"
"Joe Biden and the DNC need a Pearl harbor, and they just might stage one"
"What about Joe Biden and his group of thieves and ogliarchs? "
""Joe Biden is far more likely to be thrown out of office for this mess than Putin, and before it's all over, he just might"
"Who here thinks for one second any of the cowards in our current administration would stay in Washington while it was shelled?
Joe Biden would certainly be in a bunker somewhere eating smashed peas and shitting himself in a diaper."
"the lying corrupt bastard Joe Biden would have to admit his own fault in this situation and he won't do that. "
" Joe biden has done more damage to this country than any president since Bush. "
"Have you seen Joe Biden speak? The sack of shit has so much contempt for American people who disagree with his garbage policies"
"This shit is beyond ridiculous at this point. Joe Biden is a fuckin moron. Anybody still supporting him is a brainless, witless fuckin idiot. "
"You think Putin is the problem? Joe biden could've prevented this before it even got started"


He's said this about Putin:
"Well, Putin isn't wrong is he? Because the US has invaded multiple countries with arrogance, exceptionalism and impunity. Never facing consequences. How is what he said not the truth dumbass?"
"This guy is not Satan or Stalin.
And he does make sense"
"western banks and the international monetary fund created the environment that led to the ogliarchy in Russia, they made it legal not Putin. He came well afterwards The real thing Putin did was expel those ogliarchs that wouldn't get on board with the Russian national interests."
"You're basically making the exact stupid ass argument I told everyone here you would eventually make "Putin is a megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination"
Because that's literally all you've got. It's stupid and childish.
Putin is a ruthless dude, but he's not Joseph Stalin."


He's made quite a few homophobic, anti-trans statements and clearly believes Western values are decadent and degenerative just like Putin and the Russian Orthodox church does.

It's pretty clear who has the moral high ground in this war, but @Hughinn just can't bring himself to place the fault where it belongs. He loves the motherland too much, and has too much contempt for the West and it's values and that clouds his thinking. To him it'll always be big bad Biden who made them invade, and Russia cannot be blamed for what they've done.

Because if someone really gave a damn about the ukranian people, they would not agree with any of this.
You're forgetting something... no one is forcing Ukraine to fight. They've been attacked, their country's existence threatened, and they're angry. If Zelensky signed a peace deal today there would be riots in Kiev.

It's Russia that is the aggressor here, Russia wants Ukraine to be part of Russia, and Ukraine doesn't want to be part of Russia. Russia could stop fighting and go home at any time here, but if Ukraine stops they lose provinces or cease to exist. And that all NATO is doing here is helping them to defend themselves.

And since when did Ukrainians ever give a damn about America or dead Americans? It's an alliance of convenience, for both sides.
 
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Dude I think there is something wrong with you.

Maybe I should have said there is no sense in attempting to have a rational conversation with you and it's best to not feed the troll

Oh you're gonna find he's perfectly fine with Russians killing Ukrainians by invading Ukraine because "they were provoked" and "you don't piss in a man's yard without getting beaten near to death" but when it comes to Russia provoking NATO by invading a European country he just can't see that logic and when it comes to helping Ukraine defend itself with aid "you're a warmongering murderous cheerleading cocksucker and just think of all the people that kills."

Anyone who reads his posts can see he lost rationality and reason over this long ago. When logic can't prove his views he'll call you a liar and insult you (punk, bitch, keyboard warrior fighting words.) I'm not sure why @MR_Midas or @Megadick3000 entertains his rantings.

And he's made quite a few anti-capitalism statements:
"Then the US banking firms and international monetary fund will decend on Ukraine like vultures and buy up all the assets for pennies on the dollar so that Cargill or Pillsbury can sell ukranian wheat and Exxon or shell can sell ukranian gas instead of the ukranian people."
"Seig heil and ling live the banner of capitalism.
May the murderous, conniving and malevolent bastards you consider heroes continue to rob, rape and plunder the poorest people of the world for years to come."
"The translation thats more accurate is: the US will come in and set up a government that enables international corporations and world monetary funds to exploit all of your resources and reward those who help us do it....
Everyone else gets to celebrate transsexual day and woke dogmas in place of whatever sort of socially cohesive theology or practice's anybody had before, with the modern Wests, generic cookie cutter version of consumerism"
"after the fall of the Soviet Union, western banks and the international monetary fund created the environment that led to the ogliarchy in Russia"
"leading them into war against their neighbors so the ones who survive can enjoy the priveledge of earning wages working for Exxon Mobil and general Mills?"
" the corporations can take over Ukraine and they can own nothing, be nobody but have unlimited porn options and enjoy diversity celebrations"
"Ukranian people will live in a puppet state owned by US corporations and they'll be working the fields and farms they used to own for western bankers."
"All so your holy leadership can steal the resources and wealth of the poorest country in Europe."
"How well has that worked out for anybody except rich bankers and corporate globalist interests?"

"And now they're deep in debt to the most corrupt, greedy, malevolent and vindictive politicians on the planet.
"I don't know who wins this war. Whether it's Joe Biden and his globalist billionaire corporate donors and NATO armed manufacturers, or Russia."
"The real tragedy is for the Ukrainian people.
They thought they were fighting for freedom and independence, led to war by corrupt, greedy politicians of a wealthy nation that doesn't care about them in the least."


He's said this about Biden:
"is the same one Joe Biden and the DNC are telling us now is worth WW3 and mutually assured destruction"
"Stop trying to rule the whole goddamn world It would be a better place without Joe Biden too."
"But I know enough about them, and Joe Biden to tell them all to kiss my fuckin ass. As I'd rather cut their necks than shake their hands.
Because Joe Biden doesn't get to decide where I live, what I believe and where my grandchildren will die. I won't bow before the idols of wokeness and empire"
"Joe Biden and the DNC need a Pearl harbor, and they just might stage one"
"What about Joe Biden and his group of thieves and ogliarchs? "
""Joe Biden is far more likely to be thrown out of office for this mess than Putin, and before it's all over, he just might"
"Who here thinks for one second any of the cowards in our current administration would stay in Washington while it was shelled?
Joe Biden would certainly be in a bunker somewhere eating smashed peas and shitting himself in a diaper."
"the lying corrupt bastard Joe Biden would have to admit his own fault in this situation and he won't do that. "
" Joe biden has done more damage to this country than any president since Bush. "
"Have you seen Joe Biden speak? The sack of shit has so much contempt for American people who disagree with his garbage policies"
"This shit is beyond ridiculous at this point. Joe Biden is a fuckin moron. Anybody still supporting him is a brainless, witless fuckin idiot. "
"You think Putin is the problem? Joe biden could've prevented this before it even got started"


He's said this about Putin:
"Well, Putin isn't wrong is he? Because the US has invaded multiple countries with arrogance, exceptionalism and impunity. Never facing consequences. How is what he said not the truth dumbass?"
"This guy is not Satan or Stalin.
And he does make sense"
"western banks and the international monetary fund created the environment that led to the ogliarchy in Russia, they made it legal not Putin. He came well afterwards The real thing Putin did was expel those ogliarchs that wouldn't get on board with the Russian national interests."
"You're basically making the exact stupid ass argument I told everyone here you would eventually make "Putin is a megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination"
Because that's literally all you've got. It's stupid and childish.
Putin is a ruthless dude, but he's not Joseph Stalin."


He's made quite a few homophobic, anti-trans statements and clearly believes Western values are decadent and degenerative just like Putin and the Russian Orthodox church does.

It's pretty clear who has the moral high ground in this war, but @Hughinn just can't bring himself to place the fault where it belongs. He loves the motherland too much, and has too much contempt for the West and it's values and that clouds his thinking. To him it'll always be big bad Biden who made them invade, and Russia cannot be blamed for what they've done.


You're forgetting something... no one is forcing Ukraine to fight. They've been attacked, their country's existence threatened, and they're angry. If Zelensky signed a peace deal today there would be riots in Kiev.

It's Russia that is the aggressor here, Russia wants Ukraine to be part of Russia, and Ukraine doesn't want to be part of Russia. Russia could stop fighting and go home at any time here, but if Ukraine stops they lose provinces or cease to exist. And that all NATO is doing here is helping them to defend themselves.

And since when did Ukrainians ever give a damn about America or dead Americans? It's an alliance of convenience, for both sides.

Both of you stupid bastards will be denying you supported this bullshit eventually.

Just like the Iraq war over wmd lies. Made by the same people lying to you today about this fiasco.

Just like 20 years in Afghanistan all to "save" the Afghan people from the "evil Taliban" just to spend hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars to replace the Taliban with.....the Taliban.

There's nothing wrong with me @Big_paul
But there's plenty wrong with you and that other idiot.

Go on believing in comic book fairytale bullshit and lies. Crusade after crusade against the next "Hitler of the month,".
 
These fucked up idiots like @Big_paul and @hometeam are nothing new.

Cheering on the destruction and death , while pretending it's some kind of childish crusade of good vs evil like a marvel comic book movie.

They're stupid people. Morons and fools.

Every war for at least the past 80 years has been based on lies to get you to believe that it's necessary. When all ot really does is consolidate the wealth and resources of the world into fewer and fewer hands. It makes the rich get richer, the powerful more powerful and it kills the peasant people off.

Iraq war, based on lies...

The Lies that Led to the Iraq War and the Myth of 'Intelligence Failure'

Libya..based on lies. The British Parliament itself forced to admit it, only after it's too late.

The Lies that Led to the Iraq War and the Myth of 'Intelligence Failure'

NATO bombing of Yugoslavian territories based on lies..

NATO's War against Yugoslavia was based on Lies - Global Research

Syria, based on lies

France publishes intelligence brief for war in Syria based on lies

Afghanistan, based on lies

The Afghanistan War Was Founded on Lies. Some People Are Still Telling Them | History News Network

New report reveals the Afghanistan War was always based on lies

And this bullshit in Ukraine is also based on lies.
These idiots cheering it on don't care about the ukranian people anymore than than the US state department or NATO care about the ukranian people, because they could have easily prevented this whole thing with simple low cost diplomacy.

They wanted this war, because it's making them rich. They helped instigate it, just to profit from it.
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Just like they have done for decades on end all over the world. What's the future for Ukraine? We only have to look at the past

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And that corrupt Eastern European ogliarch zekensky, the conman and liar who led the entire country to ruin, what about him?

Well, we've seen that before too

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Heroes of the empire today, with idiots like big Paul and hometeam cheering them on.

Tomorrow they'll be on the CIA retirement plan


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And those Ukranian neo Nazi militia groups we're arming right now?

Well, they'll be the new Boogeyman in the ongoing "war on terror" that never ends with these same goddamn idiots howling that we have to chase them all over the world and kill them. Just like Al Qaeda

http://theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=0228


So if you choose to cheerlead these lies and bullshit like those other two idiots, then go on ahead.

But they'll both be denying they supported any of it eventually. Because they're fools and ignorant wretches.

Don't fall for it
 
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In 1997 alarms went off.

Foreign policy experts all over the world warned that NATO expansion would destabilize Eastern Europe and eventually lead to war.

Experts warned NATO expansion would lead to war: Why did nobody listen to them? - Defence View

If the experts were against NATO expansion, then was for it?

A powerful lobby compromised of weapons manufacturers and globalist billionaire donors of Washington DC establishment politicians.

The NATO Expansion Lobby - Militarist Monitor

We're being played for fools here.

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Enough of the bullshit

These stupid bastards supporting this are delusional.

It has nothing to do with "freedom or democracy"

It's about power and money

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