Im here:
1)I love how you have been trying to point this at me, I don’t have access to any of the websites backend (people who have contacted me already know this because i always ask them to wait until Melody gives access to me), but Panda trusts me and he showed me why you were full of shit, if you want to start a war, here you are.
2)You pointed out that you don’t know nothing about BTC... but you were smart enough to tell Melody that the address had received money from different addresses, super smart for not knowing anything about crypto.
3)The total amount of the money that went into that wallet was around 5K USD, do you really think that if a hacker had access to the website (as you guys have seen in the past, our past info leak was pretty famous) would have only stolen 5K? In the middle of a fucking sale where some guys were spending more than 10K? Really? This just fits better to a guy who has some money lying around and enough time to create some accounts, place some orders and don’t fullfill those.
4)Our website uses a second legal website to automatically generate the BTC addresses, this can’t be altered and this is shown in the backend, if someone like
@Millard wants to take a look at how the back end of this guy and his alt accounts looks like, same with the BTC addy given... let be it, there is no better prove that showing the admin of Meso how this looks like from the inside, this is why i said that having the website hacked is an impossible situation and im offering the opportunity to have the Meso owner to look himself at it, there is no better prove than that.
5)So apparently a new guy creates an account with a problem right? We have had the biggest sale we ever had since i have been a rep, why I don’t see a single REAL member on Meso posting about a problem similar as yours when we had a ton of sales that came from here? Nothing suspicious at all.
TLDR:
Im offering the owner of the website to take a look at the backend of this guys orders to show him how the order was generated, the way the BTC addy was generated and how this is not a hacking issue.
1. To be fair, i've said it can be anyone and not necessarily just you. I never said I wanted to start a war - I just want to get to the bottom of this and receive what I paid for.
2. I know very layman stuff about BTC like putting the address into one of the many websites that shows transactions - I know nothing about the software itself such as segwit, something I hadn't heard of until this thread.
3. $5k or so in
that wallet. Who knows if this was a bug, a trial run from whoever is behind it or if we are yet to see the scale of what has happened. We may need to wait a few weeks before people start piping up, if there are people to pipe up.
4. Any and every website, server and software can be hacked whether it's an inside job (not accusing
you, just saying in general) or someone from outside -
they can all be hacked.
5. You do have a point here but we are still early days and we haven't seen any evidence of anything from PPL yet, just words.
In all fairness, in order to check incoming and outgoing transactions all you have to do is click the Bitcoin address or type it into a search bar.. it also doesn’t quite seem like he’s pointing at you, but unsure of what the problem is or who to blame
Exactly right.
I only jumped at this guy because i was proven that he’s lying, i was proven about it by Panda, by his website security guy and also i had a second opinion from my IT friend that handles all my security stuff because even tho i trust Panda a lot i don’t know his IT guy and i wanted to be sure about it.
If you have an IT guy that is half good, i'm sure they can explain if someone has access to a server hosting a website, webpage requests or text can be intercepted/replaced with whatever you like, even just the BTC address.
If that happened, it would have zero effect on the BTC billing system.
I'm not saying that's what happened because I don't know, but from what evidence I have that seems a likely possibility.
It’s as simple as this: a ton of people made orders during the sale, only ONE guy posted about this problem and this guy is a fresh new account, if a hacker had access to the website he could have literally made hundreds of thousands in a few days... and yet it was only 5K, that seems super logical.
That is a good point but like I said above, maybe in the coming weeks we'll have more information.
I bet that there is thousands of people who just read the forum for a long time and they don't have a account here neither they plan do to as they only check what is in their interest and don't want to be involved.
If a shit is happening to them they make a account and say hey I got scam,or this gear is underdosed or whatever
Exactly right, i've lurked this forum for months reading up on sources before making an account.
Another option is he does actually have malware... very selective malware. No endpoint scanner is perfect, some better than others, and MBAM is no exception. If something is written and installed selectively enough, it could avoid getting hashed and recognized for a long time... barring heuristics/AI detection. Something rewriting a BTC address should throw up a giant red flag, I would think.
I've made a handful of BTC transactions these past few weeks and when I recorded the video today showing Dark Reader, the BTC address on the test order was not a segwit as far as I know and the link in the email matched the page I was forwarded to unlike the original order - So If I had malware that was replacing BTC addresses it would have happened today but did not.
I don’t know why a hacker would want to stole just 5K when literally he could have left with several hundred thousand dollars, it’s not worth the risk at all.
And why having the extra work of creating an email that literally lacks of an S and even my blind cousin could see it, to just say “order confirmed” with that someone could have noticed it was a scam attempt more quickly and measures could have been taken quicker in the case of having a security breach, why also this guy would have the urge of emailing Melody about how was the order going in less than 3 days after placing the order?
I did email you guys and specifically mentioned the email and you did react to it being a scam however accusing me of it instead of actually investigating it. It seems like you both were so convinced I was a scammer simply because the webpage had Dark Reader on without you realising.
I emailed Melody a few days after the order because there was no update email saying if it was dispatched (I don't know if you guys even do that) and I didn't want to sit for 2-3 weeks hoping that it was sent out when it may not have been.
Ordering from China is always a pain with shipping, it's better to be proactive than to sit twiddling your thumbs hoping it has been sent out.
I honestly don't see how asking if your order has been accepted and/or dispatched is considered suspicious. Every retailer gives this information - I think almost every source i've used previously has.
1)Im going to tell Panda to log in to answer this, the answer he can give you is simple: i have literally 0 access to the websites backend, the only thing that i have seen from the backend is what he showed me, Panda also has access to all my info, he knows me personally, im not a rep who could fuck him without getting a revenge, if you can explain to me why you are pointing this at me, i will gladly answer, easiest way to explain that I don’t have access (i just have a normal account as a customer too) is to ask him directly.
2)No, i have not checked the addresses, Melody just gave me the info that every complaint came from new accounts created on the website (we can show pics of this), i can show pics of the emails were literally the way of developing the conversation was the same (also i can show the hours just to show that when i started or ended the conversation with one of his accounts suddenly an old one that have written for days popped out).
3)As i pointed out i have a simple solution, let’s just have a member from Meso (a high rep one) or even Millard to check the backend and the crypto payment gateway, this will end this no sense of scamming attempt.
It would be great for Panda himself to answer some questions here.
3. That literally is not a solution at all, like I said above
any website, software or server can be hacked. Billion dollar companies that focus on software security are hacked so how come your website is impenetrable? You should sell your software because that is like gold dust.
I learned this when i was in school and i was a teen, probably half a dozen guys here at least will have edited the text or pic of a website once in their lives.
Let’s not treat the OP as an angel and also let’s judge him under my same lens, pointing out that maybe he doesn’t know how to edit a QR code when im accusing him of being a scammer it’s giving him a lot of hope, the guy literally knew how to use Wickr on the computer, take screenshots from fucking Wickr without those screenshots appearing on Pandas Wickr etc, let’s me honest the guy knows way more than what he’s saying.
Do you really think using Wickr is complicated? You literally type it in google, go to the homepage, download, install, type a username/password in and it's good to go.
I never knew Wickr notified of screenshots - two seconds of googling says that Wickr on the PC (which I am using) does not have screenshot notification capabilities so does that make me a hacker now?
https://support.wickr.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001710133-Wickr-Screenshot-Detection
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A few questions if you or PPL can answer them:
A. You said you have had a bunch of new accounts make complaints - What complaints have you had and how many separate accounts and over what timespan? Can you show us the screenshots of all of these with expanded timestamps?
B. Did you take the below screenshot?
C. Why did you lie and say that I had emailed earlier than I had? The above screenshot as mentioned in my original post, proves that I was telling the truth and that you straight up lied.
D. Have you looked into the payment code 041026682648504?
I'll likely add more questions tomorrow but for now it's late.
