Sciroxx Labs Testodex Enanthate 250 - GC-MS/MS - 2016-01 - performed by ChemTox via AnabolicLab.com

[Millard]

Let me first say, huge fan of anaboliclab.com and all it stands for. Also a fan of Millard. Main reason I still come to this board.

But I did notice something about this that may not be accurate. Karl often has test phenyl blended in the test enanthate. This is actually a choice. I do not know the exact ratios, so maybe it doesn't matter. But it appears the lab only tested for enanthate, and if so, isn't it possible not accounting for the test phenyl would yield this underdosed result? The full results indicate they did not test for anything but enanthate ester.

Millard, you may want to personally review this instance, the full labs, and the sample from the lab and see for sure. The sample will reveal a phenyl content I believe. I trust your word and know you'd make sure the type of test done didn't accidentally and unfairly sling mud on a brand. That is not what anaboliclab.com or your great service to the community is about. Sciroxx's mistake is he should list the phenyl content and ratio to avoid this, or not use it at all. But he did not do this. Still not sure his brand deserves to be tarnished if this is in fact the case.

I use pharmacom and sciroxx exclusively. I am not associated with either. But I know this result would be unfair of its shown he did have a phenyl/enanthate blend.

I don't have anything to add to the report. It seems straightforward to me.

The report says that ChemTox tested for testosterone phenylpropionate.

ChemTox did not detect testosterone phenylpropionate.

Here's the report:

 

[Docd187123]

Again, until Millard and Karl decide how they are handling this, it pointless for me to sit here and just get flamed. From what I have seen, there is some doubt that the sample was tested for phenyl. I'm aware of the bottom portion of pdf 1 from the website listing compounds. But the internal email I saw reads differently and frankly, only Millard can talk with the lab and get to the bottom of it and I have faith he will. When he responds here I'm accepting what he states.

VVVVV Look below. That's 3 people who told you what was clearly visible to everybody on the forum with eyesight that doesn't render them legally blind but you only want to believe what you want to believe. FYI, appealing to an authority is still a logical fallacy.

I don't have anything to add to the report. It seems straightforward to me.

The report says that ChemTox tested for testosterone phenylpropionate.

ChemTox did not detect testosterone phenylpropionate.

Here's the report:

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[Docd187123]

Again, until Millard and Karl decide how they are handling this, it pointless for me to sit here and just get flamed. From what I have seen, there is some doubt that the sample was tested for phenyl. I'm aware of the bottom portion of pdf 1 from the website listing compounds. But the internal email I saw reads differently and frankly, only Millard can talk with the lab and get to the bottom of it and I have faith he will. When he responds here I'm accepting what he states.

So who's internal email did you see? I mean you denied being a rep, shill, employee, etc so just exactly what kind of "internal" access do you have with Karl bc it seems like Millard isn't your source of internal emails...

 

[G.I. Bro]

I don't have anything to add to the report. It seems straightforward to me.

The report says that ChemTox tested for testosterone phenylpropionate.

ChemTox did not detect testosterone phenylpropionate.

Here's the report:

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And you've made a good faith effort to talk with Karl, the lab and seen the email response from Crimele regarding the sample testing? Most of my position is based on the content of that email and it could be out of context or he may not be recalling that specific test. But he indicates only test E would be performed unless a test for phenyl was specifically requested. And that was after inquiry regarding a sample tested for Test E that also contained test phenyl. That is all I know Millard. I'm in no way questioning the validity of AL. I'm saying there at least "appears," as presented to me, a possible question as to whether it was actually tested for phenyl. I'd imagine you have emails from Karl with all of this.

 

[Docd187123]

And you've made a good faith effort to talk with Karl, the lab and seen the email response from Crimele regarding the sample testing? Most of my position is based on the content of that email and it could be out of context or he may not be recalling that specific test. But he indicates only test E would be performed unless a test for phenyl was specifically requested. And that was in after inquiry regarding a sample tested for Test E that also contained test phenyl. That is all I know Millard.

Dude do you not read what's written right before your eyes???? Simec is NOT Chemtox. And bc Chemtox uses GC/MS technology they can afford to test for everything without costing an arm and a leg. Millard doesn't have to request they test for test phenylpropionate BC CHEMTOX ALREADY DID THAT.

 

[Millard]

Again, until Millard and Karl decide how they are handling this, it pointless for me to sit here and just get flamed. From what I have seen, there is some doubt that the sample was tested for phenyl. I'm aware of the bottom portion of pdf 1 from the website listing compounds. But the internal email I saw reads differently and frankly, only Millard can talk with the lab and get to the bottom of it and I have faith he will. When he responds here I'm accepting what he states.

ChemTox reported (1) it tested for testosterone phenylpropionate and (2) it did not detect testosterone phenylpropionate.

Sciroxx disagrees. The burden is on Sciroxx to prove a lab report from an accredited lab testing facility is wrong.

I've authorized ChemTox to share all relevant details of the analysis with Sciroxx representatives.

 

[G.I. Bro]

Dude do you not read what's written right before your eyes???? Simec is NOT Chemtox. And bc Chemtox uses GC/MS technology they can afford to test for everything without costing an arm and a leg. Millard doesn't have to request they test for test phenylpropionate BC CHEMTOX ALREADY DID THAT.

You need to relax. I wouldn't come on here with this unless I'd seen some additional info that concerned me.

I'm looking at an email from Dr Crimele that says test phenyl would not be performed on sample sent in under Test E test request. I do see what the pdf says. This seems to conflict. This is why I'm asking Millard but I'm not sure he knows anymore than I. Im not posting the email because it contains names of additional persons and companies and I've not been given permission. I'm sure Karl has sent this to Millard.

And for the record, I'm not a representative of sciroxx or in any way affiliated other than being a a concerned consumer. Either there is some validity to this or I just look like an ass clown for assuming the email response correctly referred to this specific test (a fact I have zero certainty of). All I want is the truth because it's a brand I also use. The product was supposed to be a 200mg E / 70mg Phenyl blend. The email says what it says what it says but it's partial information.

 

[Docd187123]

You need to relax. I wouldn't come on here with this unless I'd seen some additional info that concerned me.

I'm looking at an email from Dr Crimele that says test phenyl would not be performed on sample sent in under Test E test request. I do see what the pdf says. This seems to conflict. This is why I'm asking Millard but I'm not sure he knows anymore than I. Im not posting the email because it contains names of additional persons and companies and I've not been given permission. I'm sure Karl has sent this to Millard.

And for the record, I'm not a representative of sciroxx or in any way affiliated other than being a a concerned consumer. Either there is some validity to this or I just look like an ass clown for assuming the email response correctly referred to this specific test (a fact I have zero certainty of). All I want is the truth because it's a brand I also use.

The lab, Chemtox, is an ACCREDITED lab which means they've been officially recognized and authorized to perform lab testing. When an accredited lab is saying that they specifically tested for TPP then the burden is on "Dr. Crimele" bc he/she wasn't there to do the testing and knows not a damn thing about what was tested for or what wasn't tested for.

 

[G.I. Bro]

The lab, Chemtox, is an ACCREDITED lab which means they've been officially recognized and authorized to perform lab testing. When an accredited lab is saying that they specifically tested for TPP then the burden is on "Dr. Crimele" bc he/she wasn't there to do the testing and knows not a damn thing about what was tested for or what wasn't tested for.

Nobody is alleging the raw data is flawed or the test returned incorrect data. I believe the allegation is that in reality, this sample only got tested for Test E, not phenyl, regardless of what the boilerplate template text at the bottom of the pdf states. That's the cut and dry of it. Is it accurate, no idea. I've seen one email exchange that doesn't look good but again I have no idea if the response correctly refers to this precise test. It may have tested for phenyl and all compounds listed on the pdf. I am not sure, thus I defer to Millard.

 

[Millard]

But the internal email I saw reads differently and frankly, only Millard can talk with the lab and get to the bottom of it and I have faith he will.

So who's internal email did you see? I mean you denied being a rep, shill, employee, etc so just exactly what kind of "internal" access do you have with Karl bc it seems like Millard isn't your source of internal emails...

I'm looking at an email from Dr Crimele that says test phenyl would not be performed on sample sent in under Test E test request. I do see what the pdf says. This seems to conflict. This is why I'm asking Millard but I'm not sure he knows anymore than I.

And for the record, I'm not a representative of sciroxx or in any way affiliated other than being a a concerned consumer.

Tell me @G.I. Bro: does this internal email make any reference whatsoever to me, to AnabolicLab, to Sciroxx, to Testodex Enanthate, or to sample number 15-09429? Of course, the answer is 'no, it does not."

Basically, this email states that ChemTox will only test for testosterone enanthate when asked to test for testosterone enanthate. And it will only test for other steroids if an official request is made by its customer to do so.

Again, I will direct your attention to the lab report. The report makes it abundantly clear that an official request was made to ChemTox to test for other steroids which included:

Norandrostenedione, DHEA, Epitestosterone,Testoterone, Mesterolone, Methandienone, Methenolone, Boldenone, Nandrolone, Trenbolone, Stanozolol, Norandrostenediol, Nandrolone phenylpropionate, Testosterone acetate, Testosterone propionate, Testosterone enanthate, Testosterone isocaproate, Testosterone benzoate, Testosterone cypionate, Testosterone decanoate, Testosterone phenylpropionate, Nandrolone décanoate

 

[G.I. Bro]

Tell me @G.I. Bro: does this internal email make any reference whatsoever to me, to AnabolicLab, to Sciroxx, to Testodex Enanthate, or to sample number 15-09429? Of course, the answer is 'no, it does not."

Basically, this email states that ChemTox will only test for testosterone enanthate when asked to test for testosterone enanthate. And it will only test for other steroids if an official request is made by its customer to do so.

Again, I will direct your attention to the lab report. The report makes it abundantly clear that an official request was made to ChemTox to test for other steroids which included:

Norandrostenedione, DHEA, Epitestosterone,Testoterone, Mesterolone, Methandienone, Methenolone, Boldenone, Nandrolone, Trenbolone, Stanozolol, Norandrostenediol, Nandrolone phenylpropionate, Testosterone acetate, Testosterone propionate, Testosterone enanthate, Testosterone isocaproate, Testosterone benzoate, Testosterone cypionate, Testosterone decanoate, Testosterone phenylpropionate, Nandrolone décanoate

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No it doesn't. So you have obviously seen the email. Why not just say that? And you're correct, the pdf shows that. If that's undeniable proof for you that all those were performed, I'll accept that. But to me that confirmation comes only from text in a template pdf with a bottom portion that always says that in every pdf they generate. The email, as I've stated, appears to be an answer from a inquiry and in no way references this specific lab test or sample number. So as I have admitted, it could be out of context or not referring to this specific test. I am simply raising the question. It says phenyl wouldn't be tested for a sample sent it to determine test E content but it's not clear that relates to this specific test at all. So all it really does is muddy the water imo.

 

[mkulltra58]

I'm going to repeat this because it seems pretty simple to me...FUCKING SHILL

This clearly seems like an attempt to cause confusion regarding the results of this lab result. Either that or he is just a moron but still a SHILL

 

[G.I. Bro]

I'm going to repeat this because it seems pretty simple to me...FUCKING SHILL

This clearly seems like an attempt to cause confusion regarding the results of this lab result. Either that or he is just a moron but still a SHILL

I'm not a shill but I'm certainly confused. The content of the email contradicts what I understood was previously just assumed as to every test they do. The assumption I had was that all samples get cross tested for other compounds/esters listed in the pdf. The Dr who signed the report wrote an email that at least somewhat contradicts that. Again, this would be the labs issue, not any intent on behalf of Millard or the AL team.

You guys are all about the ultimate truth, so why is the guy who digs the hardest getting fucking castrated? Millard has seen the email. It says what it says. What it means as to this test remains unclear to me. I'm hoping Millard confirms with the lab for this specific test. Even if it were true, it doesn't discredit AL, Millard or even the lab. It just shows the lab was not cross checking for every compound on every test as widely assumed because of the pdf layout and initial representations of the lab. The email tends to indicate that a specific additional compound test would have to be requested.

 

[mkulltra58]

@Millard Baker

This is exactly why I recommended avoiding any email and/or other communication with sources. They will try to use anything to discredit results or defend their products so they can keep sales up.

 

[Millard]

And you're correct, the pdf shows that. If that's undeniable proof for you that all those were performed, I'll accept that. But to me that confirmation comes only from text in a template pdf with a bottom portion that always says that in every pdf they generate

Actually, it's not on every lab report PDF that ChemTox generates.

It is only on the PDFs where... ChemTox tests for all of those steroids.

For example, here is a methandienone report in which I only officially requested quantitative testing for methandienone:

 

[Docd187123]

I'm not a shill but I'm certainly confused. The content of the email contradicts what I understood was previously just assumed as to every test they do. The assumption I had was that all samples get cross tested for other compounds/esters listed in the pdf. The Dr who signed the report wrote an email that at least somewhat contradicts that. Again, this would be the labs issue, not any intent on behalf of Millard or the AL team.

You guys are all about the ultimate truth, so why is the guy who digs the hardest getting fucking castrated? Millard has seen the email. It says what it says. What it means as to this test remains unclear to me. I'm hoping Millard confirms with the lab for this specific test. Even if it were true, it doesn't discredit AL, Millard or even the lab. It just shows the lab was not cross checking for every compound on every test as widely assumed because of the pdf layout and initial representations of the lab. The email tends to indicate that a specific additional compound test would have to be requested.

You're complaining about getting castrated? Look at your initial response to Trapmonster and tell me he deserved that kind of response with a straight face.....

You came in guns drawn with your mind already made up, denied completely logical response, tried to punk a member who tried to answer your questions, allude to some random emails, etc and you're the one who feels wronged?

 

[Millard]

I'm hoping Millard confirms with the lab for this specific test.

I've already done it today. Guess what ChemTox told me via email?

They tested for testosterone phenylpropionate.

They did not find testosterone phenylpropionate.

 

[G.I. Bro]

Actually, it's not on every lab report PDF that ChemTox generates.

It is only on the PDFs where... ChemTox tests for all of those steroids.

For example, here is a methandienone report in which I only officially request quantitative testing for methandienone:

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OK well that's progress to me. So some samples you request cross reference, some you don't. So we can definitely say the pdf for sciroxx listing all those compounds means you requested additional tests for every single compound listed there? Cmon. Doesn't even pass the smell test. You didn't request that laundry list. I thought the assumption was every one of these tests cross referenced for other compounds, guess not? Is only by specific request, as the Dr's email states. Which is it. It should have also detected the presence of test phenyl too. Why didn't it?

How do you reconcile the Dr's email?

All of these are valid questions. I'm just saying, shit doesn't add up. I'm an attorney. This is what I do. I don't think sciroxx got tested for phenyl at all. Just test E and it was a 200/70 blend. Hence the underdose.

Why not just have the lab run 1 simple test of the same sample for phenyl? An alternative is Karl completely made up the blend thing, which is pretty bold. And if true, I'd never use him again.

 

[GigaloRob]

An alternative is Karl completely made up the blend thing, which is pretty bold

Karl is a lot of things but I wouldn't put "honest" on that list.

 

[Docd187123]

OK well that's progress to me. So some samples you request cross reference, some you don't. So we can definitely say the pdf for sciroxx listing all those compounds means you requested additional tests for every single compound listed there? Cmon. Doesn't even pass the smell test. You didn't request that laundry list. I thought the assumption was every one of these tests cross referenced for other compounds, guess not? Is only by specific request, as the Dr's email states. Which is it. It should have also detected the presence of test phenyl too. Why didn't it?

How do you reconcile the Dr's email?

All of these are valid questions. I'm just saying, shit doesn't add up. I'm an attorney. This is what I do. I don't think sciroxx got tested for phenyl at all. Just test E and it was a 200/70 blend. Hence the underdose.

Why not just have the lab run 1 simple test of the same sample for phenyl? An alternative is Karl completely made up the blend thing, which is pretty bold. And if true, I'd never use him again.

Oh so you're an attorney? So that means you're well versed in taking half truths and spinning them into the "truth", misdirection, deception, etc. If you are an attorney you should have been taught logic and if you were taught logic, why have you committed at least two logical fallacies in this thread alone?

PS: I thought you were going to believe Millard on his word. Now you're calling him a liar. How much does Sciroxx pay you or how much free and/or discounted gear do you get from them?