Sciroxx Labs Testodex Enanthate 250 - GC-MS/MS - 2016-01 - performed by ChemTox via AnabolicLab.com

[G.I. Bro]

that was never widely assumed, you're making shit up

Not making anything up. I think the best way to say it is "I" incorrectly assumed the whole point of chemtox was to cross check for other compounds. If you did a chemtox, this just got done by default. As it turns out, that's not true, you must specifically request any other compound to cross check. If you request a comprehensive check, the whole laundry list gets run, according to Millard. And this apparently got done on this sciroxx test (per the pdf). I was questioning this though after seeing Crimele's email saying a tpp test would not typically be run unless specifically requested. Millard filled in the gaps. I wasn't sure the list on the pdf was definitive that all these compounds got cross checked, especially after seeing that email.

 

[Docd187123]

Crimele is chemtox, he signed the report. His internal email seemed to conflict, stating tpp test would not be performed on test E unless requested but after more review, I'm not sure it does conflict. He was answering a generic inquiry and not as to this specific test request, I think. I made my initial posts after seeing this email and probably jumped the gun a bit.

Exactly, he was answering a genetic inquiry, not as it pertains to this specific situation with Anabolic Lab.

 

[G.I. Bro]

Exactly, he was answering a genetic inquiry, not as it pertains to this specific situation with Anabolic Lab.

Lol, you've never seem the email. You didn't even know who Crimele was earlier. You can stop pretending you have much more clue than anyone else. I've admitted I probably jumped the gun in reliance on the email. But yes, I agree at this point, I think that's what happened. You can stop adding your useless 2 cents in every other post now.

 

[rutman]

Just because your go to guy is putting out underdosed test and fills you full of shit, and you actually believe him, here's a form that you can fill out and send to Karl...

 

[Yeabuddyron]

Gi your a fucking idiot. My brain hurts trying to even establish your whole point of continuing this constant push for a retest when it was already tested for. If you are not affiliated in any way with Karl thenot why the fuck does it matter to you. If you wish to continue backing his products then keep buying them. That is all so stfu. On a side note I dont want a fucking blend when buying e. If I wanted a blend I'd get sus.

 

[Docd187123]

Lol, you've never seem the email. You didn't even know who Crimele was earlier. You can stop pretending you have much more clue than anyone else. I've admitted I probably jumped the gun in reliance on the email. But yes, I agree at this point, I think that's what happened. You can stop adding your useless 2 cents in every other post now.

I haven't seen the email, only what you keep mysteriously alluding to about it. I didn't know who Crimele was until I saw his name on the Chemtox report. Both those statements are correct.

On the other hand, I had the intelligence you lacked in reading that test phenylpropionate WAS tested for, the intelligence to understand Millardms numerous attempts at correcting your mistakes, baseless assertions, and misdirection. I also had the knowledge that the person making the claim that test phenylpropionate wasn't tested for has the burden of proof to show otherwise....something a lawyer should readily understand without having a "useless" poster pointing that out to them.

I can certainly stop adding my $0.02 cents in to each of your posts but where's the fun in that? I'm having the time of my life pointing out each one of your mistakes and wouldn't change it for the world.

 

[G.I. Bro]

I haven't seen the email, only what you keep mysteriously alluding to about it. I didn't know who Crimele was until I saw his name on the Chemtox report. Both those statements are correct.

On the other hand, I had the intelligence you lacked in reading that test phenylpropionate WAS tested for, the intelligence to understand Millardms numerous attempts at correcting your mistakes, baseless assertions, and misdirection. I also had the knowledge that the person making the claim that test phenylpropionate wasn't tested for has the burden of proof to show otherwise....something a lawyer should readily understand without having a "useless" poster pointing that out to them.

I can certainly stop adding my $0.02 cents in to each of your posts but where's the fun in that? I'm having the time of my life pointing out each one of your mistakes and wouldn't change it for the world.

The difference is not really intelligence. I read the same pdf you did. I doubted the laundry list of steroids on the pdf actually got cross checked after reading the Dr's email which seemed to contradict it, directly. You just assumed from the start if the pdf says it, they all got cross checked. All you have ever done is accept what you've been told and that's fine. In this case, Millard and the lab are most likely reliable. I was just digging a little more to see if there was any chance tpp didn't actually get tested as implied by the chemtox pdf. Crimele's email seemed like a smoking gun at first, but I don't think so now.

 

[Docd187123]

The difference is not really intelligence. I read the same pdf you did. I doubted the laundry list of steroids on the pdf actually got cross checked after reading the Dr's email which seemed to contradict it, directly. You just assumed from the start if the pdf says it, they all got cross checked. All you have ever done is accept what you've been told and that's fine. In this case, Millard and the lab are most likely reliable. I was just digging a little more to see if there was any chance tpp didn't actually get tested as implied by the chemtox pdf. Crimele's email seemed like a smoking gun at first, but I don't think so now.

No, the difference is intelligence bc we both looked at the same test results. I made no assumptions. An accredited labratory will only list what they tested for, not which wasn't tested.

Didn't you readily accept what you were told by Crimele and isn't that what you accuse me of doing? You didnt just jump the gun, You made accusations. Do I need to quote your posts in this thread or can you go back and read them on your own?

 

[G.I. Bro]

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Just because your go to guy is putting out underdosed test and fills you full of shit, and you actually believe him, here's a form that you can fill out and send to Karl...

Hah, pretty accurate actually. I am disappointed in the results. And I wanted more answers, I wanted to know for sure about the tpp in case it really was a blend. I did not just accept the pdf at face value after seeing the Dr's email. There is nothing so far to back up the blend theory though. I can't defend anything more, if Karl wants to explain more that's got to be on him. I think I've sufficiently shown enough bare ass here on this topic trying to understand the cross check process more. I understand the negative feedback for it. The email is most likely not what I first thought it to be.

 

[AnTabolic73]

This reminds me of Jerry springer. It's like your wife takes you there to tell you she's been banging your brother, and your child may not be yours. The results come back, and it is your baby. And your happy, forgetting all the while your wife was banging your brother.


You should be upset that he'd even put phenylprop in your test e.


Even though he didn't.

 

[mkulltra58]

I don't know what is the worst in this situation. Sciroxx claiming and lying two days ago in the comments section of the AnabolicLab results that 67mg of TPP was used in this batch. The fact that he would add an ester that wasn't supposed to be in there without informing his customers. Or the product being underdosed.

He probably would have been better off keeping his mouth shut considering the product passed based on the margin of error. But now who wants to buy underdosed products from a guy that lies about it and claims to add shit to his product without telling you.

 

[rpbb]

Hah, pretty accurate actually. I am disappointed in the results. And I wanted more answers, I wanted to know for sure about the tpp in case it really was a blend. I did not just accept the pdf at face value after seeing the Dr's email. There is nothing so far to back up the blend theory though. I can't defend anything more, if Karl wants to explain more that's got to be on him. I think I've sufficiently shown enough bare ass here on this topic trying to understand the cross check process more. I understand the negative feedback for it. The email is most likely not what I first thought it to be.

i'm confused, was the vial labeled as a blend, if not, it failed

 

[G.I. Bro]

i'm confused, was the vial labeled as a blend, if not, it failed

My understanding is it was not labeled as a blend. This would be a mistake, imo. He says he has a habit and custom on adding some tpp to the tne and this is what occurred. But the finished product is marked as Test Enanthate only.

I've encouraged him to participate in the thread himself.

 

[G.I. Bro]

I don't know what is the worst in this situation. Sciroxx claiming and lying two days ago in the comments section of the AnabolicLab results that 67mg of TPP was used in this batch. The fact that he would add an ester that wasn't supposed to be in there without informing his customers. Or the product being underdosed.

He probably would have been better off keeping his mouth shut considering the product passed based on the margin of error. But now who wants to buy underdosed products from a guy that lies about it and claims to add shit to his product without telling you.

Ya it was not a horrible underdose. It would not have been that bad. Every batch from China has to be tested because so many are bad or low purity. I assumed he'd come to the thread also and has not. I at least asked some questions and dug around a bit because based on some of the initial stuff I saw (Dr's email), I thought maybe there was some validity to it. I opened myself up to some heat and being labeled a a shill for that, but it's expected. I'm much less confident now. All there is now is a bare allegation it was a blend, and even if so, the chemtox cross check should have caught it if their representations on the pdf result are all accurate.

Just sit back and see if Karl produces anything. He's apparently taking with the lab.

 

[flenser]

I just sort of skimmed this thread, so maybe I missed someone else say this. The raw data has the same peaks that are in the calibration data. If it contained TPP wouldn't there be an extra peak above 16.50? It's not there.

 

[G.I. Bro]

I just sort of skimmed this thread, so maybe I missed someone else say this. The raw data has the same peaks that are in the calibration data. If it contained TPP wouldn't there be an extra peak above 16.50? It's not there.

No because that specific analysis only checked for a Test Enanthate signature so to speak. That test performed would not see the additional testosterone content from the tpp and would result in an underdose as it would only see test enanthate content. The 207mg number comes from this analysis which looked only for test enanthate. The other Chemtox analysis, referred to heavily here in this thread, is what was supposed to cross check for any of those other listed compounds like tpp. If it was done as represented, it should indicate the presence of tpp if there was in fact any tpp present - this is essentially Karl's contention and allegation. It was a 200mg/70mg tne/tpp blend but the content number only accounted for the test enanthate, thus it would show as underdosed.

 

[rpbb]

once again, for the people that are slow, it was labeled test e, it tested as underdosed , thus a failure. the fact that it may be mixed with something else only makes it worse. And I'm getting very annoyed that people are questioning the program because of junk gear

 

[mkulltra58]

once again, for the people that are slow, it was labeled test e, it tested as underdosed , thus a failure. the fact that it may be mixed with something else only makes it worse. And I'm getting very annoyed that people are questioning the program because of junk gear

This is always going to be a part of the program, no matter how many things you cover. Sources and their reps/shills are going to try to attack the credibility of testing or AnabolicLab to try to save face with their customers. Millard has done an awesome job designing the program and handling everything thus far. When shit like this happens, we just need to keep reinforcing the truth and let the results speak for themselves. People can make their own decision.

But, I agree it is annoying and offensive. Don't come to our home, shit on our rug, and then tell us that it is chocolate and was there before you ever came over.

 

[G.I. Bro]

I agree it should have been labeled as a blend if it was. That's bad call in and of itself. But the blood serum peak and Pharmacokinetics (real world effects in body) are basically identical to it being all test enanthate anyway. I assume he chose to do this slight blend because it had no real world impact on the steroids effectiveness. (If we assume the blend allegation is true).

If anyone is interested, Karl did respond at AL's site in the comments under this test at issue. He's implied to me he won't log in and post on meso.

Sciroxx Laboratories Testodex Enanthate 250 Lab Test Results - Anabolic Lab

 

[mkulltra58]

I agree it should have been labeled as a blend if it was. That's bad call in and of itself. But the blood serum peak and Pharmacokinetics (real world effects in body) are basically identical to it being all test enanthate anyway. I assume he chose to do this slight blend because it had no real world impact on the steroids effectiveness. (If we assume the blend allegation is true).

If anyone is interested, Karl did respond at AL's site in the comments under this test at issue. He's implied to me he won't log in and post on meso.

Sciroxx Laboratories Testodex Enanthate 250 Lab Test Results - Anabolic Lab

Do you know of any proof that customers were made aware that this product was supposedly a blend prior to lab testing? Even so, his explanation makes zero sense considering no TPP was found in the product. This all sounds like excuses for underdosed gear.