Sciroxx Labs Testodex Enanthate 250 - GC-MS/MS - 2016-01 - performed by ChemTox via AnabolicLab.com

[Trapmonster]

Wow I stepped away from this for less than 24 hours and this thread took a turn. Thank guys for backing me up, I knew I wasn't reading something that was not on the report... and don't you think you owe me an apology for coming at me foul @G.I. Bro ? I was just trying to answer your question...

 

[Docd187123]

Wow I stepped away from this for less than 24 hours and this thread took a turn. Thank guys for backing me up, I knew I wasn't reading something that was not on the report... and don't you think you owe me an apology for coming at me foul @G.I. Bro ? I was just trying to answer your question...

I'd say screw his apology. It ain't even worth it. I'm surprised as hell you managed to keep your cool and maintain composure after his response to your trying to help him. Kudos to you.

 

[G.I. Bro]

Wow I stepped away from this for less than 24 hours and this thread took a turn. Thank guys for backing me up, I knew I wasn't reading something that was not on the report... and don't you think you owe me an apology for coming at me foul @G.I. Bro ? I was just trying to answer your question...

I never thought you weren't reading what the report said. I never disputed that. I read it too, I understood what the report said and that it listed a laundry list of compounds apparently checked for. I was saying Crimele's internal email seemed to contradict that, directly. I doubted if tpp really got checked for due to what he said in it. That was my initial basis for all that. I'll gladly apologize though. You were just thinking I failed to grasp the pdf indicated tpp was checked for. In the end, I don't think the email is the smoking gun I once did after Millard clarified some. I belive it was out of context and not in response to this precise test.

I have no idea if Karl's allegation that there was tpp in the sample is true. But as of now, nothing hard supports it other than what he said. And I do believe a comprehensive cross check was "requested" and performed on this specific sample as represented by the lab. If there was tpp, even in small amounts, it should have detected that.

 

[Gramps]

He indicates in his comment that he made AL aware before the test.

Uh huh... Think about what you posted there... Here 's a hint for the clueless such as yourself - he didn't know ahead of time it was being tested.

It was labled as 250 and came back as 207 so it was shit. Karl claimed to be mixing in magic "extras" which he wasn't really. To add mystery shit is misleading, and if he really did then THAT shit is underdosed as well. Why in the FUCK are you still here defending this lying motherfucker with his underdosed-who-fucking-knows what's in the bottle? I never knew you until now but you're a total douchebag to keep playing this "I won't take up for Karl, but..." game. God damn swallow and move on already. Quit fucking with the program without something real to back your shit up.

 

[Millard]

He indicates in his comment that he made AL aware before the test. No idea if this is true.

Uh huh... Think about what you posted there... Here 's a hint for the clueless such as yourself - he didn't know ahead of time it was being tested.

Anaboliclab does not reveal the products to be tested to anybody UNTIL all samples in each round of testing have been collected. The sample collection phase (for drostanolone propionate, methandienone, testosterone enanthate, testosterone propionate and trenbolone acetate) was completed on November 7, 2015. The names of the products to be tested were first publicly announced on November 9, 2015 in the following post:

https://anaboliclab.com/news/november-2015-update/

For the record, Karl contacted me after this update and presented the same claim that the Sciroxx Testodex Enanthate 250 product was intentionally contaminated with an undisclosed ingredient. And Karl has known since then that AnabolicLab requested ChemTox to test for a complete anabolic steroid screen including testosterone phenylpropionate.

 

[rpbb]

thanks Millard, it's beyond bazaar that Karl would label a vial something than mix it with something else. than GI jumps into the thread for whatever reason and try to defend it. it seems to me that when I order test e, I expect to get test e. I guess that's too hard a concept for GI to understand

 

[mkulltra58]

Anaboliclab does not reveal the products to be tested to anybody UNTIL all samples in each round of testing have been collected. The sample collection phase (for drostanolone propionate, methandienone, testosterone enanthate, testosterone propionate and trenbolone acetate) was completed on November 7, 2015. The names of the products to be tested were first publicly announced on November 9, 2015 in the following post:

https://anaboliclab.com/news/november-2015-update/

For the record, Karl contacted me after this update and presented the same claim that the Sciroxx Testodex Enanthate 250 product was intentionally contaminated with an undisclosed ingredient. And Karl has known since then that AnabolicLab requested ChemTox to test for a complete anabolic steroid screen including testosterone phenylpropionate.

Thanks for this info! Since Karl told Millard there was supposed to be something else in it, of course Millard would make sure to test for all other compounds. Karl probably panicked when he saw this product being tested because he knew it was underdosed. Sources can't be trusted which we knew all along. This isn't breaking news. I'll say it again, this is why AL needs to be so careful when dealing with sources.

 

[xy5jn0]

thanks Millard, it's beyond bazaar that Karl would label a vial something than mix it with something else. than GI jumps into the thread for whatever reason and try to defend it. it seems to me that when I order test e, I expect to get test e. I guess that's too hard a concept for GI to understand

Makes you wonder what else he's claiming he's mixing into other compounds.

 

[G.I. Bro]

Uh huh... Think about what you posted there... Here 's a hint for the clueless such as yourself - he didn't know ahead of time it was being tested.

No actually, I agree with you there. I'm not endorsing the statement, I simply said that's what he's claimed in his comment. If you read my last 4-5 posts I don't know how you can say I'm continuing to defend him. I'm not sitting here trying to persuade anyone. I've stated what I was told, shown and thought. I've since changed my opinion on the veracity of said claims. I'm just a spectator of this debacle like the lot of you. But by initially entertaining his allegation, asking questions, and pressing Millard for detail, I was quickly labeled a paid shill, rep, associate, etc. It is what it is, I don't really care. I've supported AL and will continue to. It's a great asset to the community. It also forces UGL to test their products better. I'm not associated with sciroxx or trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes here.

 

[Gramps]

I'm not associated with sciroxx or trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes here.

Then consider your job here as done and quit babbling endlessly! Any lawyer that represents a client becomes an extension of said client. You're guilty by association. You must be that lawyer who lives in an apartment over a bowling alley as your arguing ability just can't stay on point. And I thought MY lawyer sucked - you just made her a point higher on my scale but enough with your shortcomings...

Here's where I now stand: When I had a glitch with Valkerie months ago (some details here, some at ASF) a rep sent me a Scirrox product as a bonus for bloodwork since the source deals with both and didn't have the valk product on hand. I was hesitant THEN to use it, now I'll NEVER touch another Scirrox product (however you spell the name?) since not even Karl knows what's in his own shit. Whatever really is in the bottle is low dosed, and who the hell knows what else is packed in as a filler product. You might as well be eating McNuggets or hotdogs as you know more about what's in your product than you will by ordering Scirrox products. Those are the facts, and those facts have been pointed out by science.

Karl, we all know you read here. Your silence has spoken loud and clear! And your shill has fucked you using almost no real effort as well. I always felt you were treated harsh here based on info that was posted before my time here. These posts cleared things up very well. FUCK OFF and shove that shit you're peddling up your ass dry.

 

[G.I. Bro]

Then consider your job here as done and quit babbling endlessly! Any lawyer that represents a client becomes an extension of said client. You're guilty by association. You must be that lawyer who lives in an apartment over a bowling alley as your arguing ability just can't stay on point. And I thought MY lawyer sucked - you just made her a point higher on my scale but enough with your shortcomings...

Here's where I now stand: When I had a glitch with Valkerie months ago (some details here, some at ASF) a rep sent me a Scirrox product as a bonus for bloodwork since the source deals with both and didn't have the valk product on hand. I was hesitant THEN to use it, now I'll NEVER touch another Scirrox product (however you spell the name?) since not even Karl knows what's in his own shit. Whatever really is in the bottle is low dosed, and who the hell knows what else is packed in as a filler product. You might as well be eating McNuggets or hotdogs as you know more about what's in your product than you will by ordering Scirrox products. Those are the facts, and those facts have been pointed out by science.

Karl, we all know you read here. Your silence has spoken loud and clear! And your shill has fucked you using almost no real effort as well. I always felt you were treated harsh here based on info that was posted before my time here. These posts cleared things up very well. FUCK OFF and shove that shit you're peddling up your ass dry.

You guys are fucking insane. I don't legally represent sciroxx haha. Give it a break. There is zero business or interest association whatsoever. I'm sorry I played devil's advocate and entertained his allegation for the sake of exploring the testing process and the Dr's internal email on cross testing other compounds only per request. Lord.

 

[Gramps]

Well all appreciate you bringing this to light - the problem is you did so claiming to have inside info. "I" didn't get an email from Karl (yeah you contacted him, we know, yet he has had plenty of opportunities to clear the air but left you hanging). Your very own wording was more supportive rather than accusing. It was made real clear you were a customer supporting your purchasing choices and not so much an innocent bystander.

 

[rpbb]

You guys are fucking insane. I don't legally represent sciroxx haha. Give it a break. There is zero business or interest association whatsoever. I'm sorry I played devil's advocate and entertained his allegation for the sake of exploring the testing process and the Dr's internal email on cross testing other compounds only per request. Lord.

no we're not, read through your posts, if you don't realize that you were coming off as a shill, than you're just an idiot

 

[G.I. Bro]

Well all appreciate you bringing this to light - the problem is you did so claiming to have inside info. "I" didn't get an email from Karl (yeah you contacted him, we know, yet he has had plenty of opportunities to clear the air but left you hanging). Your very own wording was more supportive rather than accusing. It was made real clear you were a customer supporting your purchasing choices and not so much an innocent bystander.

Intent was to bring it to light and hash out any plausible possibility or circumstances that could have allowed this result if his allegation were true. Turned out to be none and I got flamed in the process of even entertaining it and asking Millard about the cross check procedure. I put too much weight on the Dr's email initially, I think. I'll admit I probably also wanted to believe he wouldn't lie like that. Guilty of several things in all this but being a compensated shill is not one.

 

[muscle96ss]

Let me take some heat off GI Bro. I too have seen the emails where Karl is trying to get some answers from the lab. Based on those emails and their contents, one would get the impression that test phenylprop was not tested for. This was a day or two ago, so I don't know what has transpired since; but all Karl was looking for was the lab to provide him with the scan of the test showing that it was in fact tested for test phenylprop and that none was present. Instead the emails he got led him to believe otherwise.

I am sure that everyone reading this is going to say, "unless you work for Karl, why is he getting you involved in his business". Its real simple, Karl trusts my opinions on things, as I have always been straightforward with him when I agree with him and when I don't agree with him as well. So he will often come to me for advice on how to handle certain situations. He came to me earlier in the week to let me know what was transpiring and wanted to know what he should do because he felt like he was being wronged. Most likely he did the same with GI Bro.

My advice to Karl was that it is fucked up if in fact they didn't test for test phenylprop. I added that Millard is a very reasonable person and to keep asking for proof. I stated that Millard has no reason to post a bad test and create controversy over the testing program unless he believed what he was doing was right.

So take it easy on GI Bro, he is not a shill and is simply stating his opinion based on the information that was present at the time.

 

[GigaloRob]

Karl can speak for himself and history shows he is capable of doing so. Proof has been posted and questions have been answered. There is nothing else to discuss to be honest.

 

[Docd187123]

Let me take some heat off GI Bro. I too have seen the emails where Karl is trying to get some answers from the lab. Based on those emails and their contents, one would get the impression that test phenylprop was not tested for. This was a day or two ago, so I don't know what has transpired since; but all Karl was looking for was the lab to provide him with the scan of the test showing that it was in fact tested for test phenylprop and that none was present. Instead the emails he got led him to believe otherwise.

I am sure that everyone reading this is going to say, "unless you work for Karl, why is he getting you involved in his business". Its real simple, Karl trusts my opinions on things, as I have always been straightforward with him when I agree with him and when I don't agree with him as well. So he will often come to me for advice on how to handle certain situations. He came to me earlier in the week to let me know what was transpiring and wanted to know what he should do because he felt like he was being wronged. Most likely he did the same with GI Bro.

My advice to Karl was that it is fucked up if in fact they didn't test for test phenylprop. I added that Millard is a very reasonable person and to keep asking for proof. I stated that Millard has no reason to post a bad test and create controversy over the testing program unless he believed what he was doing was right.

So take it easy on GI Bro, he is not a shill and is simply stating his opinion based on the information that was present at the time.

Did you read any of GI's contradictory posts here?? At the very least, how can one claim to be a Millard fanboy and a great supporter of Anabolic Lab in one post and then within 5 posts of that hint that Millard is a liar and a source he never worked for is correct?

 

[rpbb]

Let me take some heat off GI Bro. I too have seen the emails where Karl is trying to get some answers from the lab. Based on those emails and their contents, one would get the impression that test phenylprop was not tested for. This was a day or two ago, so I don't know what has transpired since; but all Karl was looking for was the lab to provide him with the scan of the test showing that it was in fact tested for test phenylprop and that none was present. Instead the emails he got led him to believe otherwise.

I am sure that everyone reading this is going to say, "unless you work for Karl, why is he getting you involved in his business". Its real simple, Karl trusts my opinions on things, as I have always been straightforward with him when I agree with him and when I don't agree with him as well. So he will often come to me for advice on how to handle certain situations. He came to me earlier in the week to let me know what was transpiring and wanted to know what he should do because he felt like he was being wronged. Most likely he did the same with GI Bro.

My advice to Karl was that it is fucked up if in fact they didn't test for test phenylprop. I added that Millard is a very reasonable person and to keep asking for proof. I stated that Millard has no reason to post a bad test and create controversy over the testing program unless he believed what he was doing was right.

So take it easy on GI Bro, he is not a shill and is simply stating his opinion based on the information that was present at the time.

I'm confused, once again, what does testing for test phenylprop have to with anything. the label on the vial doesn't state that as an ingredient.

 

[jaymaximus]

Let me take some heat off GI Bro. I too have seen the emails where Karl is trying to get some answers from the lab. Based on those emails and their contents, one would get the impression that test phenylprop was not tested for. This was a day or two ago, so I don't know what has transpired since; but all Karl was looking for was the lab to provide him with the scan of the test showing that it was in fact tested for test phenylprop and that none was present. Instead the emails he got led him to believe otherwise.

I am sure that everyone reading this is going to say, "unless you work for Karl, why is he getting you involved in his business". Its real simple, Karl trusts my opinions on things, as I have always been straightforward with him when I agree with him and when I don't agree with him as well. So he will often come to me for advice on how to handle certain situations. He came to me earlier in the week to let me know what was transpiring and wanted to know what he should do because he felt like he was being wronged. Most likely he did the same with GI Bro.

My advice to Karl was that it is fucked up if in fact they didn't test for test phenylprop. I added that Millard is a very reasonable person and to keep asking for proof. I stated that Millard has no reason to post a bad test and create controversy over the testing program unless he believed what he was doing was right.

So take it easy on GI Bro, he is not a shill and is simply stating his opinion based on the information that was present at the time.

One way or the other, why would it matter if the sample was tested for phenylprop? The sample was supposedly 250mg of Test E, right? Not a blend. So no matter what, the results showed that customers were not getting what they paid for, plain and simple.

I cant see how anyone in the community (not getting some sort of benefit from the lab) can argue against this. There's no gray area here. Its simple.

 

[muscle96ss]

I'm confused, once again, what does testing for test phenylprop have to with anything. the label on the vial doesn't state that as an ingredient.

From what was portrayed to me, it was public knowledge that this batch was actually 200mg test e and 70mg test phenylprop. But I agree, if someone was purchasing the product and unaware ahead of time, thus expecting 250mg test e, then that is wrong.