Sciroxx Labs Testodex Enanthate 250 - GC-MS/MS - 2016-01 - performed by ChemTox via AnabolicLab.com

[G.I. Bro]

Karl is a lot of things but I wouldn't put "honest" on that list.

The immense vulnerability for my quest to figure this out is that I'm operating under the assumption (possibly flawed) that the sample was really a 200/70 E/phenyl blend. I see that, believe me.

Whatever you guys want to believe is fine. I'm not a shill attacking AL. My post history is full of support for AL. It's just the internal email (which Millard verified) and some of the representations made tonight don't gel or add up. It was widely assumed every test cross referenced for other compounds by inherent design of the full analysis. Millard himself has all but said he had to request additional compounds (which matches the Dr's email) . But the sciroxx pdf lists like every compound possible. Millard requested all of those? Even the exotics, for a testosterone raw? Cmon. That doesn't even make sense. Nobody cuts the cheapest raw on market with primo. Other samples pdf list none as he himself pointed out "because he didn't request them." Does that not make any of you go, "wait, what?"

This is not an attack on Millard. At this point I feel like I'm just defending my own thought process for even raising questions. I really don't want to be labeled a hired gun for sciroxx because I'm not. The email I was shown got me asking questions and the more I asked, the more stuff didn't add up.

 

[Docd187123]

The immense vulnerability for my quest to figure this out is that I'm operating under the assumption (possibly flawed) that the sample was really a 200/70 E/phenyl blend. I see that, believe me.

Whatever you guys want to believe is fine. I'm not a shill attacking AL. My post history is full of support for AL. It's just the internal email and some of the representations made tonight don't gel or add up. It was widely assumed every test cross referenced for other compounds by inherent design of the full analysis. Millard himself has all but said he had to request additional compounds (which matches the Dr's email) . But the sciroxx pdf lists like every compound possible. Millard requested all of those? Even the exotics, for a testosterone raw? Cmon. Other samples list none. Does that not make any of you go, "what, what?"

This is not an attack on Millard. At this point I feel like I'm just defending my own throught process for even raising questions.

The one Millard posted that wasn't tested for everything is dbol. Ppl claim they get good dbol or bunk dbol but I don't see ppl running screaming their dbol is really Anavar or trenbolone or halotestin......

 

[G.I. Bro]

The one Millard posted that wasn't tested for everything is dbol. Ppl claim they get good dbol or bunk dbol but I don't see ppl running screaming their dbol is really Anavar or trenbolone or halotestin......

Great point. I don't see anyone trying to make profit cutting the cheapest raw on the market with primo, tren or other exotics either - which were apparently requested to be cross tested on the sciroxx sample? Really? And the doc flat says in email, a test for any other compound must be specifically requested. And I assume that incurs additional fees. This is called the discovery process fellas. In formal legal discovery, truth comes to light as more questions are asked. When shit starts to not smell right, you know you might be onto something.

Millard needs to have the sciroxx sample tested for phenyl, specifically, with zero doubt. If none is present, Karl cooked his goose in my eyes and most anyones. Otherwise, the shit I've been shown doesn't add up.

Millard: would the lab splash cross tests for all those compounds on the pdf (almost all known non designer steroids) then admit to you upon inquiry they didn't actually do them? No. And if what you say is accurate and is also in Accord with the internal email, you had to request all of those cross check compounds specifically. You asked for all those, really? REALLY Millard. That makes zero sense.

If Karl really used a phenyl/E blend and phenyl was not tested for. The precise result would be what we saw here, an underdosed sample.

I have you up on a pedestal for this AL shit, Millard. I'm leaving you there for now but I wish you'd flesh this out more rather than discount the valid discrepancies. I had faith you would figure out what the lab really did. No way you requested all those cross check compounds. Questionable test phenyl got checked at all, imo.

 

[mercury]

No way you requested all those cross check compounds. Questionable test phenyl got checked at all, imo.

why don't you send your own samples to the lab.

 

[G.I. Bro]

why don't you send your own samples to the lab.

Wouldn't hold any validity. AL has a rigorous sample procedure to ensure anonymity and chain of custody before arrival at lab. Well designed.

I'm a paid shill right? My samples would be good batches designed for such purposes, obviously. Don't you know how this works?

 

[Docd187123]

Great point. I don't see anyone trying to make profit cutting the cheapest raw on the market with primo, tren or other exotics either - which were apparently requested to be cross tested on the sciroxx sample? Really? And the doc flat says in email, a test for any other compound must be specifically requested. And I assume that incurs additional fees. This is called the discovery process fellas. In formal legal discovery, truth comes to light as more questions are asked. When shit starts to not smell right, you know you might be onto something.

Millard needs to have the sciroxx sample tested for phenyl, specifically, with zero doubt. If none is present, Karl cooked his goose in my eyes and most anyones. Otherwise, the shit I've been shown doesn't add up.

Millard: would the lab splash cross tests for all those compounds on the pdf (almost all known non designer steroids) then admit to you upon inquiry they didn't actually do them? No. And if what you say is accurate and is also in Accord with the internal email, you had to request all of those cross check compounds specifically. You asked for all those, really? REALLY Millard. That makes zero sense.

If Karl really used a phenyl/E blend and phenyl was not tested for. The precise result would be what we saw here, an underdosed sample.

I have you up on a pedestal for this AL shit, Millard. I'm leaving you there for now but I wish you'd flesh this out more rather than discount the valid discrepancies. I had faith you would figure out what the lab really did. No way you requested all those cross check compounds. Questionable test phenyl got checked at all, imo.

A Scirrox cross sample of TESTOSTERONE! Ppl many times believe their test isn't test but something else. This isn't the case with dbol. Nobody claims their dbol is something else, only that it's bunk or not. Furthermore, testosterone is an injectable so yes, it makes sense a dbol sample was only requested to be tested for dbol but a testosterone sample was requested to be tested for other steroids.

The sample WAS SPECIFICALLY TESTED FOR TEST PHENYL PROP. Millard and the Chemtox report both verified this. There is no doubt amongst anyone except you. Jesus Christ, how can you be an attorney and not see this?

 

[mercury]

Wouldn't hold any validity. AL has a rigorous sample procedure to ensure anonymity and chain of custody before arrival at lab. Well designed.

I'm a paid shill right? My samples would be good batches designed for such purposes, obviously. Don't you know how this works?

sorry mate I cut in the middle, I am not sure what the problem is.

but you question some tests, well

I do my own tests and I do not have issue with anybody, I also do not post any test results they are for my private use only and maybe a few close friends so I do know that I do not inject any shit.

 

[G.I. Bro]

A Scirrox cross sample of TESTOSTERONE! Ppl many times believe their test isn't test but something else. This isn't the case with dbol. Nobody claims their dbol is something else, only that it's bunk or not. Furthermore, testosterone is an injectable so yes, it makes sense a dbol sample was only requested to be tested for dbol but a testosterone sample was requested to be tested for other steroids.

The sample WAS SPECIFICALLY TESTED FOR TEST PHENYL PROP. Millard and the Chemtox report both verified this. There is no doubt amongst anyone except you. Jesus Christ, how can you be an attorney and not see this?

It's very odd to me Millard would specifically request all those compounds to be cross tested. Makes no sense. Until this thread, most of you assumed such a massive cross test was just standard. I know I did. Apparently, that's not true and any other compound cross test must be specifically requested. Just that alone is enough for me to question basic assumptions we've all made. No?

 

[Millard]

OK well that's progress to me. So some samples you request cross reference, some you don't. So we can definitely say the pdf for sciroxx listing all those compounds means you requested additional tests for every single compound listed there? Cmon. Doesn't even pass the smell test. You didn't request that laundry list.

Millard himself has all but said he had to request additional compounds (which matches the Dr's email) . But the sciroxx pdf lists like every compound possible. Millard requested all of those? Even the exotics, for a testosterone raw? Cmon. That doesn't even make sense. Nobody cuts the cheapest raw on market with primo. Other samples pdf list none as he himself pointed out "because he didn't request them." Does that not make any of you go, "wait, what?"

I don't see anyone trying to make profit cutting the cheapest raw on the market with primo, tren or other exotics either - which were apparently requested to be cross tested on the sciroxx sample? Really? And the doc flat says in email, a test for any other compound must be specifically requested. And I assume that incurs additional fees.

I had faith you would figure out what the lab really did. No way you requested all those cross check compounds. Questionable test phenyl got checked at all, imo.

When you ask ChemTox for a comprehensive anabolic steroids screen, they will provide you with the list of anabolic steroids we are discussing which includes testosterone phenylpropionate.

When you formally request a comprehensive anabolic steroids screen, you are in effect requesting that ChemTox test for all of those steroids including testosterone phenylpropionate.

So, yes, I did in fact request that laundry list.

As far as costs are concerned, the anabolic steroid screen is a flat rate of 290 euros per sample at ChemTox.

 

[G.I. Bro]

When you ask ChemTox for a comprehensive anabolic steroids screen, they will provide you with the list of anabolic steroids we are discussing which includes testosterone phenylpropionate.

When you formally request a comprehensive anabolic steroids screen, you are in effect requesting that ChemTox test for all of those steroids including testosterone phenylpropionate.

So, yes, I did in fact request that laundry list.

That makes more sense, definitely.

So what's your thought on Crimele's email? Simply a generic response. He's not referring to this specific test. And on this test, phenyl was in the cross check list. That would explain his email. Going to bed soon. Don't take this as an attack on you or AL. It's not. Do a post history search. I support AL. I don't get free anything from sciroxx. I asked wtf was up and he sent the email. He maintains it was a E/phenyl blend. If you're satisfied phenyl was tested, then that may not be true. Do you plan to talk to the lab in any more detail on this?

 

[Docd187123]

It's very odd to me Millard would specifically request all those compounds to be cross tested. Makes no sense. Until this thread, most of you assumed such a massive cross test was just standard. I know I did. Apparently, that's not true and any other compound cross test must be specifically requested. Just that alone is enough for me to question basic assumptions we've all made. No?

You're going well behind questioning though. You've become accusatory.

 

[mkulltra58]

A Scirrox cross sample of TESTOSTERONE! Ppl many times believe their test isn't test but something else. This isn't the case with dbol. Nobody claims their dbol is something else, only that it's bunk or not. Furthermore, testosterone is an injectable so yes, it makes sense a dbol sample was only requested to be tested for dbol but a testosterone sample was requested to be tested for other steroids.

The sample WAS SPECIFICALLY TESTED FOR TEST PHENYL PROP. Millard and the Chemtox report both verified this. There is no doubt amongst anyone except you. Jesus Christ, how can you be an attorney and not see this?

It should have also detected the presence of test phenyl too.

This is why he can't see this. That's a pretty bold statement for someone that is just a "customer".

Until this thread, most of you assumed such a massive cross test was just standard.

Now you know what everyone assumed? This is your assumption. Actually, I would bet that more people know that other compounds need to be requested based on previous threads that answer this.

Millard told you he requested those. He showed you that they were tested for on the reports. He told you he confirmed with Chemtox. You said you would believe him. Now you are saying otherwise.

Like I said, you are just a shill trying to create some controvery that doesn't exists to protect your boss and his sales. Nobody is believing your shit.

 

[GigaloRob]

Do a post history search. I support AL. I don't get free anything from sciroxx

You mean you supported AL until it provided unflattering test results on sciroxx. You have remained silent on the results or methods of other bad reports from other sources.

 

[mkulltra58]

You mean you supported AL until it provided unflattering test results on sciroxx. You have remained silent on the results or methods of other bad reports from other sources.

You mean your source doesn't forward you internal emails regarding the manufacturing of illegal steroids that can be used against them as evidence?

 

[G.I. Bro]

You mean you supported AL until it provided unflattering test results on sciroxx. You have remained silent on the results or methods of other bad reports from other sources.

No I still support AL. One of the best things the underground community has seen in ages. The criticism would not have been at AL anyway. It would be at the lab and whether every cross test listed was actually performed to detect the presence of other esters. But I always ask questions, and the Dr's email raised some. But it's not as damming as I first thought. Millard cleared some things up for me. My intent here is my own satisfaction in knowing if there's any chance Karl's allegation has merit and if the result he described was possible with his E/phenyl blend. That could be a fabrication too. I'm not a compensated shill. But I'm not sure some of you will believe that. Just digging homies, isn't that what the spirit of meso is all about? Question everything?

This is the part where Karl comes in with some compelling post or evidence to support his position on the blend. But I think the email was it.

If I was Karl, I'd pay the same lab to test the same sample (if still retained) to determine if phenyl is present. This was said to have been done already the first time. Lack of his presence in this discussion could also be said to be conspicuous...

 

[Docd187123]

You mean you supported AL until it provided unflattering test results on sciroxx. You have remained silent on the results or methods of other bad reports from other sources.

Ding-FUCKING-ding. You nailed it

 

[GigaloRob]

No I still support AL. One of the best things the underground community has seen in ages. But I always ask questions, and the Dr's email raised some. But it's not as damming as I first thought. Millard cleared some things up for me. My intent here is my own satisfaction in knowing if there's any chance Karl's allegation has merit and if the result he described was possible with his E/phenyl blend. That could be a fabrication too. I'm not a compensated shill. But I'm not sure some of you will believe that. Just digging homies, isn't that what the spirit of meso is all about? Question everything?

This is the part where Karl comes in with some compelling post or evidence to support his position on the blend. But I think the email was it.

If I was Karl, I'd pay the same lab to test the same sample (if still retained) to determine if phenyl is present. This was said to have been done already the first time. Lack of his presence in this discussion could also be said to be conspicuous...

Can you explain to me where the proof is of Karl/Sciroxx adding phenyl to their Test E? For the record Karl's word is not proof. Also Sciroxx/Karl had to know his product would eventually be tested so why was this additional phenyl not addressed by him before these results?

 

[G.I. Bro]

Can you explain to me where the proof is of Karl/Sciroxx adding phenyl to their Test E? For the record Karl's word is not proof. Also Sciroxx/Karl had to know his product would eventually be tested so why was this additional phenyl not addressed by him before these results?

There is no solid proof. It's just him saying it had phenyl (tpp) in it. At this point, his allegation versus the labs pdf indicating tpp cross check was done (requested) and apparently the same representation from the lab to Millard. I think (hope) if Millard thought there was a valid chance this occurred, he'd look into it deeper. I don't believe he feels there is anymore to do. Crimele's email seemed damning at first blush. But much less so now after I understand better how cross check was requested on this test. I know Karl has done this in the past with a small amount of phenyl, but it's a mistake not to label and disclose that it's a blend. As I just told Karl in an email, unless he can produce something valid to show that sample was an enanthate / phenyl blend, he'll be judged accordingly to this test and the labs representations.

The simplest solution is often the correct one. And given the info so far, it's highly likely the sample did not have a phenyl blend. Only Karl can work to vindicate his brand with evidence to support that. The alternative is he had a batch of underdosed enanthate raws which happens when all these raws come from compounding firms in China. Tough break, but alleging tpp blend is not the solution unless 100% true and provable. Ball is in his court I guess.

 

[G.I. Bro]

The lab, Chemtox, is an ACCREDITED lab which means they've been officially recognized and authorized to perform lab testing. When an accredited lab is saying that they specifically tested for TPP then the burden is on "Dr. Crimele" bc he/she wasn't there to do the testing and knows not a damn thing about what was tested for or what wasn't tested for.

Crimele is chemtox, he signed the report. His internal email seemed to conflict, stating tpp test would not be performed on test E unless requested but after more review, I'm not sure it does conflict. He was answering a generic inquiry and not as to this specific test request, I think. I made my initial posts after seeing this email and probably jumped the gun a bit.

 

[rpbb]

The immense vulnerability for my quest to figure this out is that I'm operating under the assumption (possibly flawed) that the sample was really a 200/70 E/phenyl blend. I see that, believe me.

Whatever you guys want to believe is fine. I'm not a shill attacking AL. My post history is full of support for AL. It's just the internal email (which Millard verified) and some of the representations made tonight don't gel or add up. It was widely assumed every test cross referenced for other compounds by inherent design of the full analysis. Millard himself has all but said he had to request additional compounds (which matches the Dr's email) . But the sciroxx pdf lists like every compound possible. Millard requested all of those? Even the exotics, for a testosterone raw? Cmon. That doesn't even make sense. Nobody cuts the cheapest raw on market with primo. Other samples pdf list none as he himself pointed out "because he didn't request them." Does that not make any of you go, "wait, what?"

This is not an attack on Millard. At this point I feel like I'm just defending my own thought process for even raising questions. I really don't want to be labeled a hired gun for sciroxx because I'm not. The email I was shown got me asking questions and the more I asked, the more stuff didn't add up.

that was never widely assumed, you're making shit up