Second cycle

[petit_rafalet]

I could probably tolerate more than 400mgs of test but im not going a ove because of its effects on skin and collagen
Second compound will be eq at 600mgs a week, i removed primo and mast

Ok, adding one compound on top sounds good. Now you will add 600mg of bolde, that’s a big jump in the anabolic input. My advice would be, add a smaller amount and squeeze it to the maximum by taking care of the diet and training. Good luck with your second cycle and keep posting!

 

[DugPrime]

Why mixing many different AAs for a second cycle, instead of sticking to test and growing as fuck every single week? It's much stronger than you actually think.

If you want THE mass building cycle, throw HGH/Insulin in it, other AAs won't do much more than test only.

 

[GearAt3MonthsOfTraining]

Why mixing many different AAs for a second cycle, instead of sticking to test and growing as fuck every single week? It's much stronger than you actually think.

If you want THE mass building cycle, throw HGH/Insulin in it, other AAs won't do much more than test only.

Decided to just do test and eq for 20 weeks, ill keep a bottle of mast (has mgs for around 10 weeks) if i want to try it

 

[Sicsemptyran]

I could probably tolerate more than 400mgs of test but im not going a ove because of its effects on skin and collagen
Second compound will be eq at 600mgs a week, i removed primo and mast

No offense but what in God's name are you saying about it's effects on skin and collagen?


I'd love to see the clinical data that 500mg of test causes something on skin that you know for sure EQ or mast or primo doesn't.

Great, so you're going with EQ and removed mast or primo. EQ is great for skin at 600mg? I don't know about that, it nukes a lot of people's E2... Which is awful for skin and collagen.

You're hyper focusing on the absolute wrong things.

 

[ripper908]

Why mixing many different AAs for a second cycle, instead of sticking to test and growing as fuck every single week? It's much stronger than you actually think.

Yep looking back moderate to high dose of test is all you need to look big and mog the average gym goer

best bang for your buck and shouldn't wreck havoc on your health

 

[Robdobob]

If this is your point of being worried about. Gear isn’t for you.

Especially if you’re this dumb to put in 600eq lmfao

Like others said, you’re just looking for a green light


Stick to test for a second time
-out

 

[Nidus]

If this is your point of being worried about. Gear isn’t for you.

Especially if you’re this dumb to put in 600eq lmfao

Like others said, you’re just looking for a green light


Stick to test for a second time
-out

Exactly. Dont need all the fancy orals or other shit. Stick to test only as 2nd cycle, add some GH and thats it.

3rd-4th Cycle same stuff, minimal dose of Primo if needed for E2 control and thats it.

Why bother asking for approval and feedback when X orals and 4 diff. compounds are going to be run anyways. Whats the point there?

 

[GearAt3MonthsOfTraining]

No offense but what in God's name are you saying about it's effects on skin and collagen?


I'd love to see the clinical data that 500mg of test causes something on skin that you know for sure EQ or mast or primo doesn't.

Great, so you're going with EQ and removed mast or primo. EQ is great for skin at 600mg? I don't know about that, it nukes a lot of people's E2... Which is awful for skin and collagen.

You're hyper focusing on the absolute wrong things.

Well yes it

Exactly. Dont need all the fancy orals or other shit. Stick to test only as 2nd cycle, add some GH and thats it.

3rd-4th Cycle same stuff, minimal dose of Primo if needed for E2 control and thats it.

Why bother asking for approval and feedback when X orals and 4 diff. compounds are going to be run anyways. Whats the point there?

Ive decided to just run test and eq for 20 weeks

 

[Mongo966]

Decided to just do test and eq for 20 weeks, ill keep a bottle of mast (has mgs for around 10 weeks) if i want to try

No. Forget about EQ. You aren't ready for it.
450mg/week of that shit ruined my life for months. It gave me nothing but depression while I was on it and gave me panic attacks for 2 months straight when I came off of it. Negative thoughts 24/7. Unable to concentrate on anything other than the task of hunting down every single sad thought in my mind and dwelling on them one after another. Lots of fun. You don't think you have enough sad shit in your mind to keep you busy for months until you find yourself in a proper hormonal clusterfuck with a veterinary steroid that has a 2 week long ester attached to it.
Don't be an idiot.

What really gets me with you guys is how you think you're going to just take these powerful drugs strategically to avoid whatever side effects you don't feel like getting. This is not going to go the way you think it will. You're already fucking up by taking the drugs to begin with. That's the mistake. You can avoid all of it by not taking the drugs if that's what you really care about. If you take them you're taking on all of the risks associated with them. Fuck collagen. Have you heard of sudden cardiac death? Does that weigh heavier on your mind than your collagen concerns? It should. Tell me you've calculated the maximum doses you can take to avoid that side effect.

Who the fuck needs npp for their joints at 18 years old is what i'd like to know.

 

[dropout]

Why mixing many different AAs for a second cycle, instead of sticking to test and growing as fuck every single week? It's much stronger than you actually think.

If you want THE mass building cycle, throw HGH/Insulin in it, other AAs won't do much more than test only.

Why would you even think of suggesting insulin to someone named "gear at 3 months of training"? You need at least 4 months of training (off and on) before even considering insulin.

just kidding. insulin is the last thing this kid needs.

And i also want to know wtf they are talking about regarding 400 mg of Test and skin/collagen. Unless you are really sick or have a terrible diet, at 18/19 your body should have no problem making plenty of collegen.

 

[Nidus]

Why would you even think of suggesting insulin to someone named "gear at 3 months of training"? You need at least 4 months of training (off and on) before even considering insulin.

just kidding. insulin is the last thing this kid needs.

And i also want to know wtf they are talking about regarding 400 mg of Test and skin/collagen. Unless you are really sick or have a terrible diet, at 18/19 your body should have no problem making plenty of collegen.

Dont tell anyone that Tren boosts collagen synthesis by 69%

 

[GearAt3MonthsOfTraining]

Dont tell anyone that Tren boosts collagen synthesis by 69%

Tren dries out skin, makes it drier and activates MMPs which destroy collagen

 

[LiftAR]

Tren dries out skin, makes it drier and activates MMPs which destroy collagen

Why are you here if you’ve already got everything figured out?

Were you hoping someone would tell you,

"Yes!! go ahead and take over 1g of gear to get results anyone your age could easily achieve through proper training and nutrition, because who cares if you end up on TRT and potentially infertile before 21, as long as it improves your baby smooth skin!! You only live once right!? Plus Johhny Big Balls on Tiktok is doing it so I say go for it bruh!!"


Or did you actually want the honest truth?

 

[GearAt3MonthsOfTraining]

Why are you here if you’ve already got everything figured out?

Were you hoping someone would tell you,

"Yes!! go ahead and take over 1g of gear to get results anyone your age could easily achieve through proper training and nutrition, because who cares if you end up on TRT and potentially infertile before 21, as long as it improves your baby smooth skin!! You only live once right!? Plus Johhny Big Balls on Tiktok is doing it so I say go for it bruh!!"


Or did you actually want the honest truth?

After hearing you guys opinions ive decided to run a higher dose of test (600mgs) and i really want to try eq, i decided to do 300mgs per week

 

[LiftAR]

After hearing you guys opinions ive decided to run a higher dose of test (600mgs) and i really want to try eq, i decided to do 300mgs per week

Oh yeah, my bad! 900mg of gear for an 18yo inexperienced lifter is a total game changer. I take my comment back..

 

[Mongo966]

Oh yeah, my bad! 900mg of gear for an 18yo inexperienced lifter is a total game changer. I take my comment back..

Well, at least we’re getting somewhere with this guy. He’s listening. That’s more than we can say for a lot of these young guys who come in here with a bonehead plan.

 

[GearAt3MonthsOfTraining]

Oh yeah, my bad! 900mg of gear for an 18yo inexperienced lifter is a total game changer. I take my comment back..

It does sound fucked when you put it that way

You guys told me to just do higher test and drop mast+primo but im keeping eq at a lower dose

 

[Anat]

Alright, listen up, you little dipshit - just kidding (kind of), but seriously, you’ve got plenty of time until October. Instead of acting like a kid in a candy store, take a step back, read, and actually absorb some knowledge before you start throwing compounds at yourself like a science experiment gone wrong.

For your second cycle, 400mg Test E/C and 400mg EQ will be more than enough. Yeah, I know, it doesn’t sound hardcore, but trust me, your receptors aren’t screaming for a gram of gear just yet. Run it for 12 weeks, then take a 3-4 week cruise before jumping into another 12-week cycle. At that point, you can add another compound - Test E, EQ, and Mast E would be a logical stack. Some people like orals for a kickstart, but if you enjoy keeping your liver inside your body, you might want to rethink that.

You’re still young, so slow down. Try one compound at a time, figure out what actually works for you, and only then think about adding more. If you start stacking everything at once like a kitchen sink cycle, you’ll have no idea what’s helping and what’s just wrecking your bloodwork.

Now, potential sides - since I know you’ll ignore half of this anyway. EQ and high hematocrit? Yeah, lowering iron intake is good, but if it spikes too much, you might want to roll up your sleeve and donate some blood before your blood turns into syrup. BP and hydration? Keep an eye on them unless you’re looking to recreate the Final Destination plane scene. Accutane? Cool, but don’t be surprised if your lipids and liver enzymes tank, especially while running EQ. Furosemide? Unless you absolutely need it, don’t be an idiot - dehydration, cramping, electrolyte imbalances, and unnecessary kidney stress aren’t exactly the flex you think they are.

As for HCG, if you’re running it on cycle, 250iu two to three times per week will keep things functional. Skip it on cycle? Fine, but don’t complain when your balls turn into raisins. In that case, do a short HCG blast before PCT - 2000-2500iu every other day for 1-2 weeks, max 10,000iu total. But whatever you do, don’t run it during PCT unless you enjoy suppressing your own LH and dragging out your recovery. Wait 3-4 days after your last HCG shot before starting Nolva/Clomid - this isn’t a race.

Bottom line, don’t overcomplicate this, stop trying to play mad scientist, and maybe, just maybe, take advice from people who aren’t setting themselves up for a lifelong TRT prescription before they hit 25.

 

[LiftAR]

It does sound fucked when you put it that way

You guys told me to just do higher test and drop mast+primo but im keeping eq at a lower dose

Okay.. I don’t want to come down too hard on you since you’ve been pretty respectful, but can I ask for more context? Why PEDs at 18? Are you aiming to make a career out of this? Do you understand that there’s a lot more to it than just lowered collagen production? What about your cholesterol levels, the risk of dangerously high hematocrit, or the possibility that you won’t recover after your cycle?

You’re on a steroid board, but alot of us here started after we fully developed and understood the consequences. I mean, 3 months of training?? I can honestly tell you that you’d make just as good gains at your age if you followed a real program, dialed in your nutrition, and stayed consistent for years. The bigger and stronger you get naturally, the bigger and stronger you’ll be when you do decide to use AAS. Wait until you’re at least 25. Trust me - when I was 18, almost everything I was passionate about then changed by the time I hit 25.

 

[Anat]

Okay.. I don’t want to come down too hard on you since you’ve been pretty respectful, but can I ask for more context? Why PEDs at 18? Are you aiming to make a career out of this? Do you understand that there’s a lot more to it than just lowered collagen production? What about your cholesterol levels, the risk of dangerously high hematocrit, or the possibility that you won’t recover after your cycle?

You’re on a steroid board, but alot of us here started after we fully developed and understood the consequences. I mean, 3 months of training?? I can honestly tell you that you’d make just as good gains at your age if you followed a real program, dialed in your nutrition, and stayed consistent for years. The bigger and stronger you get naturally, the bigger and stronger you’ll be when you do decide to use AAS. Wait until you’re at least 25. Trust me - when I was 18, almost everything I was passionate about then changed by the time I hit 25.

Not my question to answer, but let’s be real - think back to when you were 18. You probably weren’t listening to a bunch of 30-35-year-old guys preaching patience either. At that age, it’s all impulse, zero long-term thinking. Add in social media constantly pushing “tren is life,” “a gram of test is nothing,” and “fast results with no consequences,” and it’s not hard to see why he jumped on cycle after barely training.

He likely spent a couple of months lifting naturally, didn’t see instant results, and thought, why not? Unfortunately, he’s just another guy who fell into the trap of hopping on gear without fully understanding the long-term effects. Best case scenario? He listens, comes off, trains naturally for the next 5-7 years, starts making real money, and then decides if AAS even makes sense for his goals. Worst case? He keeps chasing the quick fix and ends up another dude on TRT before he can legally rent a car.

If he’s not planning to go pro in bodybuilding, then yeah, his priorities are definitely off. But at this point, it’s not about lecturing him - it’s about whether he’s actually open to hearing this before it’s too late.