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Agree to disagree. Mice not men but if you want to take the chance be my guest. It was used to treat tuberculosis in like 1836; not used injectable anymore.

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Also, even if the dose makes the poison: How much guaiacol is in the products being injected? No one knows? They claim 18% bb 1% ba MCT; that is until they’re pushed on the subject and admit some oils have guaiacol and 5% EO in everything and then you’re dealing with the nonzero possibility that it’s just boatloads of guaiacol because they won’t give a percentage and less us, the consumers, make an informed decision?

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My question is....why the fuck do you still buy the oil that could have guaiacol in it? I mean if you wanna really inject those kinda not needed preworkout or oral injectable just fucking buy from a proper domestic source so that you know what's in it.

You can't trust Chinese reseller of oils, not even them know what's in it lol
 
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My question is....why the fuck do you still buy the oil that could have guaiacol in it? I mean if you wanna really inject those kinda not needed preworkout or oral injectable just fucking buy from a proper domestic source so that you know what's in it.

You can trust Chinese reseller of oils, not even them know what's in it lol

While chinese sellers have great prices, having this mystery box of not knowing whats inside + their manufacturing process together with the customs risk is not not worth it. When i pay for something, regardless the amount, as a customer i think i should have the right to know what the fuck i inject
 
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It's not a claim. It has been verified with different tests.

I have no clue why Tirz it's so durable. Maybe all Glp1 are but most of the data I have are on tests run on Tirzepatide

Flawed tests. You don't see what's not being measured. There is no testing of aggregation or the amount of active ingredient lost as a result.

If you filter your tap water and it tests "pure", that doesn't mean it's pure.

Jano's basic testing is not overturning what the rest of science has long established as fact.
 
Flawed tests. You don't see what's not being measured. There is no testing of aggregation or the amount of active ingredient lost as a result.

If you filter your tap water and it tests "pure", that doesn't mean it's pure.

Jano's basic testing is not overturning what the rest of science has long established as fact.
What do you mean there is no test of amount of active ingredient lost lol

There is purity and quantity variation months after months.
Can't get more detailed than that.

Plus there is direct report of ppl using those same vials after 1 year in the freezer or after multiple freezing and thawing and having the same precise effects as they expect from that dosage, both in appetite suppression but more importantly glucose control.

Do you have any real data to prove the opposite? Related to this specific compound: Tirzepatide.

Looking forward to see it

What science has established as facts? Because science facts keeps changing with times as everything get updated and new findings get discovered. Your statement is underwhelming and really close minded.

If something doesn't fit your narrative you decide that not even a labtest is valid data, because you can't be wrong lol so it becomes flawed tests.

So where is your data? I don't think Eli Lily run any extensive test on Tirzepatide resilience in not degrading under not ideal condition and in lyophilised state, because they don't care. It's even against their economic interest showing that it could last years.

What I see it's: my concrete lab test data Vs your Google/reading articles skills.
 
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I'll give you even another nice set of data:

Lyophylized Tirzepatide kept in a heated bath at constant 130F (55c) for 21 days.
No significant degradation reported.

Yeah I bet it will degrade much in the fridge.

One more data set:

Tirzepatide kept in: fridge Vs freezer Vs closet.

2 years degradation test,
Last data still to be run, after 1 year and 15 months, NO SIGNIFICANTE DEGRADATION OF ANY KIND IN ALL THREE SAMPLES, EVEN THE ONE NOT REFRIGERATED.

These are all HARD DATAS.
Datas we have because ppl do instead of just talking and talking
 
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I'll give you even another nice set of data:

Lyophylized Tirzepatide kept in a heated bath at constant 130F (55c) for 21 days.
No significant degradation reported.

Yeah I bet it will degrade much in the fridge.
That sounds really interesting! Mind sharing more? Tirza really sounding like something that could survive a nuclear war!
 
That sounds really interesting! Mind sharing more? Tirza really sounding like something that could survive a nuclear war!
I can't share the labtest or the exact numbers as they all come from a group of ppl that have paid hard earned money for it and they don't allow the sharing of the exact data. If you are interested in joining and contributing to future tests you can PM me and you will get access to all the previous labtest after you have participated in new proposed tests.

Yeah we always joke saying Tirzepatide will survive a nuclear war xD
 
I can't share the labtest or the exact numbers as they all come from a group of ppl that have paid hard earned money for it and they don't allow the sharing of the exact data. If you are interested in joining and contributing to future tests you can PM me and you will get access to all the previous labtest after you have participated in new proposed tests.

Yeah we always joke saying Tirzepatide will survive a nuclear war xD
Appreciate the offer but i am not planning on doing any testing anytime soon apart from my own glucose experiments and dont wanna leech of others but thank you for sharing, its really interesting to see!

How does Retra compare to that?
 
That's true as with mostly everything BUT as we are already harming our bodies in many ways is really guaiacol necessary for anything really useful? In my opinion no.

It's used only for orals injectable and for preworkout. All of those are not really needed to build any notable physique.

I believe guaiacol is really one of those substance that should be avoided 100% by everyone
Agreed 100%.

Just don't use guaiacol. Period.

If someone really wants to use inj orals that bad -which as I've read is not that rare, some seem to respond ridiculously well- just test for EO sensitivity and go for some LOW EO in mct, high bb and lower concentration if it's not bad. It's still not safe at all, but it's levels above guaiacol in any meaningful amount and you really don't need that much of anything methylated to get most of the benefits.

I'm not saying use EO still being a nuclear hazard compared to just BB, but it's not even half the devil G is.

It's 100% gonna cause more trouble than muscle you'd be gaining on top with the injorals.
 
Appreciate the offer but i am not planning on doing any testing anytime soon apart from my own glucose experiments and dont wanna leech of others but thank you for sharing, its really interesting to see!

How does Retra compare to that?

Only one reta test run for degradation for now, it's a heated test same as Tirzepatide.

21 days at 130F
Some degradation happened, not as resistant as Tirzepatide but not crazy bad.

There is a reta test going on right now, reconstitued degradation kept in fridge. Longest set point 90 days.

For now no significant degradation at 30 days mark
 
Agreed 100%.

Just don't use guaiacol. Period.

If someone really wants to use inj orals that bad -which as I've read is not that rare, some seem to respond ridiculously well- just test for EO sensitivity and go for some LOW EO in mct, high bb and lower concentration if it's not bad. It's still not safe at all, but it's levels above guaiacol in any meaningful amount and you really don't need that much of anything methylated to get most of the benefits.

I'm not saying use EO still being a nuclear hazard compared to just BB, but it's not even half the devil G is.

It's 100% gonna cause more trouble than muscle you'd be gaining on top with the injorals.
Fuck guaiacol and EO. Always make my inflammation markers go crazy. If people wanna do that to their body, sure. I feel like its unnecessary risk to increase your inflammation markers intentionally and increase the risk for an infection on the injection side. Seen too many horror posts about that.

Only one reta test run for degradation for now, it's a heated test same as Tirzepatide.

21 days at 130F
Some degradation happened, not as resistant as Tirzepatide but not crazy bad.

There is a reta test going on right now, reconstitued degradation kept in fridge. Longest set point 90 days.

For now no significant degradation at 30 days mark

That really solid! Thank you for sharing!
 
Fuck guaiacol and EO. Always make my inflammation markers go crazy. If people wanna do that to their body, sure. I feel like its unnecessary risk to increase your inflammation markers intentionally and increase the risk for an infection on the injection side. Seen too many horror posts about that.



That really solid! Thank you for sharing!
Agreed.

I forgot to mention you can just do sublingual too. It's not 100% same bioavailability as injections, but can be about 85% IIRC. Just do that if you want to avoid first pass. Technically it can irritate the membrane, it's really just an inconvenience compared to inj. Either alcohol suspensions or just powder/powdered pill under the tounge.
 
Got peptides delivered to the UK yesterday.

No issues. Same as last time. Very happy with it.

Placed another order. Will send that one off for testing with Jano and will post results.

Vendor is good-to-go still!
 
I can't share the labtest or the exact numbers as they all come from a group of ppl that have paid hard earned money for it and they don't allow the sharing of the exact data. If you are interested in joining and contributing to future tests you can PM me and you will get access to all the previous labtest after you have participated in new proposed tests.

Yeah we always joke saying Tirzepatide will survive a nuclear war xD
Tirz, the cockroach of the peptide world. Haha
 
Only one reta test run for degradation for now, it's a heated test same as Tirzepatide.

21 days at 130F
Some degradation happened, not as resistant as Tirzepatide but not crazy bad.

There is a reta test going on right now, reconstitued degradation kept in fridge. Longest set point 90 days.

For now no significant degradation at 30 days mark
Thanks. That's what I call a great contribution to the community.
 
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