So I got this UGL HGH, but I wanna get it lab tested. How?

[bro.coli]

Hey, first post here. First time doing any type of muscle enhancing/ building drug.

I bought this UGL brand called Somatogen which came already dissolved in 10ml vials for about $43 per IU. As I can't find any info on these online, I'm quite skeptic about the quality and possible side effects it can give me.

I have tested blood sample 3 hours after injecting 10IU. GH levels said 47 ug/l, compared to 0.13 ug/l before using.

I'd like to see the purity, or even if it's the 191AA and not the 192AA kind. I've read that if you inject the 192AA type you can destroy the body's ability to produce its own HGH, so that's why I really wanna make sure I'm not messing with my body here.

Anyone know how I can get it lab tested? I live in Europe by the way.

Hope to get some good answers!

 

[bro.coli]

Most stuff comes in lyophilized pucks that are 10-15iu per vial, they are stable before reconstituting but after that lose potency quite fast when not refrigerated. I think it was Qtropin? or some Russian company that had liquid GH besides the pharma pens (which you usually get on ice if they're premixed).

This GH just screams bullshit but maybe its some mad scientist that came up with it.

I see. Well I'll keep that in mind till next time. I really wanna get pharma tho. I could possibly get Norditropin for about 9$ per IU. But it's from the same guys who sold me this crap, and judging from this, I don't know if what they have is even the real deal. How do you get pharma stuff anyway?? I'd prefer paying cash or maybe bitcoin.

I would be willing to bet it’s literally nothing active.

My blood results did show a significant increase in GH levels tho. The lab results will reveal its true quality, can't wait for that.

 

[Methyl Mike]

I see. Well I'll keep that in mind till next time. I really wanna get pharma tho. I could possibly get Norditropin for about 9$ per IU. But it's from the same guys who sold me this crap, and judging from this, I don't know if what they have is even the real deal. How do you get pharma stuff anyway?? I'd prefer paying cash or maybe bitcoin.


My blood results did show a significant increase in GH levels tho. The lab results will reveal its true quality, can't wait for that.

Im not very knowledgeable on growth hormone compared to.some meso users but the consensus among them seems to be the top generics are pretty darn close.to pharma. I cant stomach paying more than maybe 1.30$ per iu for GH unless I get assurance the extravagant brands will do something out of this world that generics cant and I havent seen it yet. Rich people swear they can tell but average users who have the cash to pick and choose seem to go quality generic every time.

I wish I could tell you lab tests will confirm or deny something but I doubt it. GH seems complex and im not sure exactly which tests you need and how to extrapolate the results. Best advice seems to be to buy something you have some confidence in and try it out.

Also shop around you can find good pharma for about $4 an IU. Thats literally my ceiling on what i would ever spend.

I think mands has.a list of his top pharma top generics and for pharma I think he has serostim then geno then norditropin i forget the rest. I might have those mixed up.

 

[bro.coli]

Im not very knowledgeable on growth hormone compared to.some meso users but the consensus among them seems to be the top generics are pretty darn close.to pharma. I cant stomach paying more than maybe 1.30$ per iu for GH unless I get assurance the extravagant brands will do something out of this world that generics cant and I havent seen it yet. Rich people swear they can tell but average users who have the cash to pick and choose seem to go quality generic every time.

I wish I could tell you lab tests will confirm or deny something but I doubt it. GH seems complex and im not sure exactly which tests you need and how to extrapolate the results. Best advice seems to be to buy something you have some confidence in and try it out.

Also shop around you can find good pharma for about $4 an IU. Thats literally my ceiling on what i would ever spend.

I think mands has.a list of his top pharma top generics and for pharma I think he has serostim then geno then norditropin i forget the rest. I might have those mixed up.

Huh, thanks for the info man.

Well, hopefully Jano's test will work. Lol, too bad I paid almost 5$(actually I miscalculated the currency conversion earlier) per IU for this stuff. I could've gotten pharma for that price!

I really don't wanna buy GH online tho, don't wanna get fined or anything if it gets stopped in customs. Or do you have any tips on how to not get caught buying GH online?

 

[muscletrain]

Im not very knowledgeable on growth hormone compared to.some meso users but the consensus among them seems to be the top generics are pretty darn close.to pharma. I cant stomach paying more than maybe 1.30$ per iu for GH unless I get assurance the extravagant brands will do something out of this world that generics cant and I havent seen it yet. Rich people swear they can tell but average users who have the cash to pick and choose seem to go quality generic every time.

I wish I could tell you lab tests will confirm or deny something but I doubt it. GH seems complex and im not sure exactly which tests you need and how to extrapolate the results. Best advice seems to be to buy something you have some confidence in and try it out.

Also shop around you can find good pharma for about $4 an IU. Thats literally my ceiling on what i would ever spend.

I think mands has.a list of his top pharma top generics and for pharma I think he has serostim then geno then norditropin i forget the rest. I might have those mixed up.

I would say good generics are "good" but for some weird reason they never reach that level of true pharmacy grade no matter what the HPLC tests say and I still can't nor can others figure out why. You see more sides (water, CTS, bloat, other issues) with generics even when they test super well compared to Pharmacy. The most common thing I see is people commenting on fat loss/bloat with pharma but people who have tried both will choose pharma typically 10/10 if you're not paying second mortgage prices on it.

OP, if you're in the EU just look for some Meditropes or Optitropins from a source on the Underground and you'll be happy. Pharma I can't comment on but I have seen people use 24hreup and speak well of them but I have no experience.

I would still like to try meditropes, I have tried Opti's 0 dimer 120kits, real Jintropins which is pharmacy, and a couple other generics.

 

[Methyl Mike]

I would say good generics are "good" but for some weird reason they never reach that level of true pharmacy grade no matter what the HPLC tests say and I still can't nor can others figure out why. You see more sides (water, CTS, bloat, other issues) with generics even when they test super well compared to Pharmacy. The most common thing I see is people commenting on fat loss/bloat with pharma but people who have tried both will choose pharma typically 10/10 if you're not paying second mortgage prices on it.

OP, if you're in the EU just look for some Meditropes or Optitropins from a source on the Underground and you'll be happy. Pharma I can't comment on but I have seen people use 24hreup and speak well of them but I have no experience.

I would still like to try meditropes, I have tried Opti's 0 dimer 120kits, real Jintropins which is pharmacy, and a couple other generics.

Darn you for opening the door of my curiosity again. What are meditropes is that considered pharma? Also jins i thought were 100% fakes as the real jintropin were discontinued like 6 years ago? Opti had them on his list curiously enuf. I wanted to try them but at 4bucks per iu....

 

[Methyl Mike]

Huh, thanks for the info man.

Well, hopefully Jano's test will work. Lol, too bad I paid almost 5$(actually I miscalculated the currency conversion earlier) per IU for this stuff. I could've gotten pharma for that price!

I really don't wanna buy GH online tho, don't wanna get fined or anything if it gets stopped in customs. Or do you have any tips on how to not get caught buying GH online?

Your work and worry should be centered on not getting ripped off as opposed to arrested. Finding GH you have some confidence in is the ticket.

 

[malfeasance]

Darn you for opening the door of my curiosity again. What are meditropes is that considered pharma? Also jins i thought were 100% fakes as the real jintropin were discontinued like 6 years ago? Opti had them on his list curiously enuf. I wanted to try them but at 4bucks per iu....

I do not have any inside knowledge, but given why jintropin went off the market, and why it was so easy to counterfeit, I would be very cautious in concluding that I was using jintropin instead of just Chinese ugl in jintropin packaging.

 

[malfeasance]

Yes, it is a 10ml vial with 100IU. What's the normal ml/IU amount that GH usually comes in?

Oh and it also has an expiry date, October 2022.

If this stuff was great, pure, real, and pharmaceutical grade Merck Serono quality, what makes you think it would last in 100 iu giant vials already constituted until October 2022? That's literally like half a year away.

 

[bro.coli]

Your work and worry should be centered on not getting ripped off as opposed to arrested. Finding GH you have some confidence in is the ticket.

For sure. Judging from reading around on this forum, it seems that it's hard to trust anyone offering any service here. Hmm, hope I'm not getting ripped off again.

If this stuff was great, pure, real, and pharmaceutical grade Merck Serono quality, what makes you think it would last in 100 iu giant vials already constituted until October 2022? That's literally like half a year away.

Yeah I guess I got played. Too bad I have 6 vials left. But lesson learned

 

[malfeasance]

Send some to janoshik - he'll tell you what's in it. You could even buy a sterile vial and send him a smaller amount of you don't want to send an entire 10ml vial. He does not need very much. Ask him.

At least then you will know whether you are wasting your time running it.

I don't suppose you did baseline natty IGF-1 testing before you started?

 

[Methyl Mike]

Send some to janoshik - he'll tell you what's in it. You could even buy a sterile vial and send him a smaller amount of you don't want to send an entire 10ml vial. He does not need very much. Ask him.

At least then you will know whether you are wasting your time running it.

I don't suppose you did baseline natty IGF-1 testing before you started?

I dont think anyone starts off getting igf-1 tested i mean in all seriousness.

 

[Methyl Mike]

For sure. Judging from reading around on this forum, it seems that it's hard to trust anyone offering any service here. Hmm, hope I'm not getting ripped off again.


Yeah I guess I got played. Too bad I have 6 vials left. But lesson learned

Trust is hard to come by and once lost can never be fully gained again.

 

[Methyl Mike]

I do not have any inside knowledge, but given why jintropin went off the market, and why it was so easy to counterfeit, I would be very cautious in concluding that I was using jintropin instead of just Chinese ugl in jintropin packaging.

Totally agree and this is what made me incredulous when I saw jintropin on optis auto reply. I dont want to say what you and I are.both thinking out in the open, but you get me.

 

[bro.coli]

Send some to janoshik - he'll tell you what's in it. You could even buy a sterile vial and send him a smaller amount of you don't want to send an entire 10ml vial. He does not need very much. Ask him.

At least then you will know whether you are wasting your time running it.

I don't suppose you did baseline natty IGF-1 testing before you started?

Yeah I'm about to send some to him. Hmm yeah that's a good tip, I'll see if I can find a sterile vial somewhere.

I did test IGF-1 and GH serum levels before and after injecting. IGF-1 levels were a little higher but within normal range, but GH levels increased from 0.13 ug/l to 47 ug/l. But it's true that IGF-1 levels should be checked after doing it for maybe 1-2 months right?

 

[Liska]

Also jins i thought were 100% fakes as the real jintropin were discontinued like 6 years ago?

Can you post a source for this? As far as I know they've not been discontinued, the ones Opti carries have been verified via Gensci's website recently, and they were available until either 2019 or 2020 via the russian distributor as well, but are no longer.

@Logan44551 knows as well.

 

[Methyl Mike]

Can you post a source for this? As far as I know they've not been discontinued, the ones Opti carries have been verified via Gensci's website recently, and they were available until either 2019 or 2020 via the russian distributor as well, but are no longer.

@Logan44551 knows as well.

Complaint Offers Window on Chinese Drug Ring (Published 2007)

An affidavit filed by an agent of the F.D.A. details the personal involvement of Jin Lei, the founder of one of China’s largest drug makers, in an illegal hormone distribution ring.

www.nytimes.com

Chinese company, CEO plead guilty in HGH probe | Fox News

A Chinese company thought to have once been responsible for most of the illegal human growth hormone smuggled from overseas into the United States pleaded guilty along with its CEO Wednesday to ...

www.google.com

Its just generic HGH at this point im fairly certain. @mands may have more insight.

 

[Liska]

Complaint Offers Window on Chinese Drug Ring (Published 2007)

An affidavit filed by an agent of the F.D.A. details the personal involvement of Jin Lei, the founder of one of China’s largest drug makers, in an illegal hormone distribution ring.

www.nytimes.com

Chinese company, CEO plead guilty in HGH probe | Fox News

A Chinese company thought to have once been responsible for most of the illegal human growth hormone smuggled from overseas into the United States pleaded guilty along with its CEO Wednesday to ...

www.google.com

Its just generic HGH at this point im fairly certain. @mands may have more insight.

Having read the Fox article it says nothing about the product being discontinued, I can't access the NYT one unfortunately.

MESO-Rx Sponsor - HGH - Domestic USA had some discussion on it - I'm not sure how to interpret the generic HGH comment.

 

[muscletrain]

Complaint Offers Window on Chinese Drug Ring (Published 2007)

An affidavit filed by an agent of the F.D.A. details the personal involvement of Jin Lei, the founder of one of China’s largest drug makers, in an illegal hormone distribution ring.

www.nytimes.com

Chinese company, CEO plead guilty in HGH probe | Fox News

A Chinese company thought to have once been responsible for most of the illegal human growth hormone smuggled from overseas into the United States pleaded guilty along with its CEO Wednesday to ...

www.google.com

Its just generic HGH at this point im fairly certain. @mands may have more insight.

@Liska arent you a source afaik are you supposed to be roaming these threads?

@Methyl Mike the Jintropins that come from Optitropin and are imported by Optican etc were ran through the app and came back legit, the color/packaging etc. all check out as well. I actually have 1 kit of these as well right now my buddy tossed me one after grabbing 5 of them. Cost an arm and a leg but not bad for pharma in Canada I guess. Running at 2iu per morning right now.

I don't see why they would be fake as he imports other legit Chinese Pharma as well but you are 100% correct in Jintropins are HIGHLY fucking faked, like 99% of them are fakes. Majority of these are very noticeable in the packaging most noticeably the spiral green dna strand or whatever color is waay off on the boxes.

I also know another guy who uses tons of pharma GH and he ran them recently so they most definitely exist still.

Again though guys unless its a HIGHLY established source like Opti or something I would not touch Jintropins. ie. some random website etc or if the price is similar to other generics its fake. There's a canadian site that lists them at $400 each and I can already tell from the photo the color is way off on the green.

 

[MONSTRO1977]

Hey, first post here. First time doing any type of muscle enhancing/ building drug.

I bought this UGL brand called Somatogen which came already dissolved in 10ml vials for about $43 per IU. As I can't find any info on these online, I'm quite skeptic about the quality and possible side effects it can give me.

I have tested blood sample 3 hours after injecting 10IU. GH levels said 47 ug/l, compared to 0.13 ug/l before using.

I'd like to see the purity, or even if it's the 191AA and not the 192AA kind. I've read that if you inject the 192AA type you can destroy the body's ability to produce its own HGH, so that's why I really wanna make sure I'm not messing with my body here.

Anyone know how I can get it lab tested? I live in Europe by the way.

Hope to get some good answers!

47 is amazing result , so is super potent hgh . Best way is always inject intra 10ius hgh 3 hours before blood test and check ng on hgh and IGF levels

 

[Methyl Mike]

@Liska arent you a source afaik are you supposed to be roaming these threads?

@Methyl Mike the Jintropins that come from Optitropin and are imported by Optican etc were ran through the app and came back legit, the color/packaging etc. all check out as well. I actually have 1 kit of these as well right now my buddy tossed me one after grabbing 5 of them. Cost an arm and a leg but not bad for pharma in Canada I guess. Running at 2iu per morning right now.

I don't see why they would be fake as he imports other legit Chinese Pharma as well but you are 100% correct in Jintropins are HIGHLY fucking faked, like 99% of them are fakes. Majority of these are very noticeable in the packaging most noticeably the spiral green dna strand or whatever color is waay off on the boxes.

I also know another guy who uses tons of pharma GH and he ran them recently so they most definitely exist still.

Again though guys unless its a HIGHLY established source like Opti or something I would not touch Jintropins. ie. some random website etc or if the price is similar to other generics its fake. There's a canadian site that lists them at $400 each and I can already tell from the photo the color is way off on the green.

Thank you for the input