Someone tell me this isn't all there is?

[Dr JIM]

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But what I dont understand is if you(as the end customer) send them a completely anonamous sample for testing , and they arrive at a result that reflects what you are expecting to see , how would they come up with said result without the proper procedures in place?

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Excellent point BUT,

apparently that's NOT what many are asking be included with each submission, as all three I contacted required a list of the expected sample contents and concentration.

Also understand a while a Mass Spec differentiates almost all AAS with relative ease the chromatogtaphic methodologies required to determine a samples concentration are much more difficult, tedious, technologically challenging AND therefore expensive.

And if some believe they are receiving a relibale LC/MS result at only 50 bucks per sample (as some have advertised) they are sadly mistaken IME

JIM

 

[janoshik]

Here's a few simplified means of ensuring an UG analytical lab is actually testing samples and delivering reliable results

1) send them a US Pharma sample where the concentrations are "guaranteed" within 5%

2) send them bogus products and deliberately mislabel the contents; like send CSO labeled as Nandrolone at 200mg/ml

3) decline to specifically list vial contents or concentrations but rather state "sample is said to contain an AAS at an unknown concentration"

4) FINALLY understand there's A LOT of money to be made "testing" UGL PEDs and it's much cheaper to deliver a result "that works" rather than disappoint the multitudes!

JIM

1) Except is you are getting US Pharma product you risk it being a face. Genos, Primo ... whole lot of pharma stuff is faked.

2) Good idea, lot of people done that with me for example. Result = 0 mg nandrolone / ml. It's easy, routine and fast.

3) And any lab with self respect will tell you to go screw yourself. You pay extra for blind samples. Why? Because HPLC method not tuned for masteron will barely detect it. HPLC methods for other kinds of stuff are not suitable for it as masteron barely absorbs above 200nm. So you run HPLC, then nothing, so you run GC for 50 minutes and and then mast standard in GC for another 50 min, effectively burning through hour of highly qualified time and 100$. Just an example.

Blind samples are fine, just get ready for a sample test to cost 180$ - and that's just immediate costs. Usually expecting 2-5 times that would be more realistic to account for the profit and costs of machinery and upkeep.

4) True. I've disappointed plenty of people.

 

[janoshik]

Excellent point BUT,

apparently that's NOT what many are asking be included with each submission, as all three I contacted required a list of the expected sample contents and concentration.

Also understand a while a Mass Spec differentiates almost all AAS with relative ease the chromatogtaphic methodologies required to determine a samples concentration are much more difficult, tedious, technologically challenging AND therefore expensive.

And if some believe they are receiving a relibale LC/MS result at only 50 bucks per sample (as some have advertised) they are sadly mistaken IME

JIM

See point 3 above.

I, for example, only do blind samples for new and perspective customers. Otherwise it's not worth my time for the price. Analyzer can afford to do it because he is using his jobs/uni machinery and not paying for it himself. SIMEC doesn't do it at all.



You are absolutely correct on the mass spec and quantitation. You don't use mass spec for samples that don't need it simply because of the price, time it takes (gcms) and the hassle with quantitation.

LC/MS for 50 bucks is impossible in any sort of a commercial setting, unless one is running thousands of routine samples with a routine method.

Good post you got there.

 

[Redrum42]

People that homebrew beer don't grow the fucking barley either.

Holy shit man, your that guy

I mean, that's taking something not at all psychoactive and turning into ethanol. Homebrewing is taking something that is already the AAS you will be using in your end product and doing a single chemical reaction.

When I don't post here for a while I always forget how touchy people are over simple differences in opinion. Didn't mean to disparage homebrewers, i couldn't pull of the dose precision and sterility required without some serious dialing in and practice

Maybe I came off sounding elitist or condescending but was just sharing my humble opinion based off experience with other illegal drugs and the generally much more complicated chemistry involved in "homebrewing", or my previous misconception that homebrewers took legal, unscheduled substances and turned them into controlled/ illegal AAS.

 

[OldmanRob]

No worries.