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You’ve been in the game at least 3 years and already gone through one commercial press but never invested in a clave? I thought safety was always number one, so let’s buy pieces of equipment (presses) and all the shit to run them that are proplably the most regulated and watched items by some alphabet agencies?!?!

You said in a previous post that quantity is always last yet here you are sacrificing security (1) for quantity (3) and ignoring quality (2) of making the tabs like MM is pointing out for again, quantity (3). Sounds like instead of security, quality, quantity. It’s quantity, ehhh.....

Now you’ve been in business for 3+ years and admittedly spent thousands on pretty labels but couldn’t hold off on that and get even a Chinese autoclave? So yet again you’ve put quantity of sales above the quality and security of your product. Dude, I brew TRT and bac water and I have a commercial clave and all the quality equipment to open a clean lab. Think Positive pressure HEPA, clean room suits, calibrated scales, modular filteration system, etc. If I can do that for TRT, a full blown lab in business for at least 3 years has no excuse why they spent thousands on labels and couldn’t drop $300 on used American built or $750 for a Chinese clave. Come to think of it, how many vials can you clave in that pressure cooker, 20-30 maybe 40 at a time of they’re packed harder than stormy Daniels? But you’re talking about thousands of tabs?

It sounds like you’re using that press for more than Dbol and adex, or at the very least security and quality aren’t really your top priorities.
 
mp46 said:
You’ve been in the game at least 3 years and already gone through one commercial press but never invested in a clave? I thought safety was always number one, so let’s buy pieces of equipment (presses) and all the shit to run them that are proplably the most regulated and watched items by some alphabet agencies?!?!

Actually , there is a wrong way and a right way to obtain them. You sir, are referencing the wrong way. It isn't always a factor of money invested, but also safety. Sometimes you wait for the right opportunity to arise without risk to take it.

You said in a previous post that quantity is always last yet here you are sacrificing security (1) for quantity (3) and ignoring quality (2) of making the tabs like MM is pointing out for again, quantity (3). Sounds like instead of security, quality, quantity. It’s quantity, ehhh.....

" See my above answer regarding security. Now lets talk about quality and actual science , first of all since you run your own USP 797 quality clean room at home , you should be aware that water transfers heat very efficiently, more so than even air. So in this instance, if I am understanding you correctly, you are inferring that using a Pressure Cooker to achieve sterilization is not effective and not safe. My friend, medical science disagrees with you. Do you know how we sterilize instruments in the field when providing emergency relief work in situations where pre sterilized supplies are limited? We use steam / pressure/ heat with - you guessed it - pressure cookers! Depending on the particular unit, we have to modify the weight of the regulator to achieve a higher PSI but I would like to reference you this study, which shows sterilization achieved at 127 C @ 20 PSI. This temperature / pressure allowed for NO positive growth in cultures at all tested time increments of 5,10,15, and 20 minutes exposure.
https://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.adint...NewsArticles/Use_of_pressure_cookers_for_.pdf

Now you’ve been in business for 3+ years and admittedly spent thousands on pretty labels but couldn’t hold off on that and get even a Chinese autoclave? So yet again you’ve put quantity of sales above the quality and security of your product. Dude, I brew TRT and bac water and I have a commercial clave and all the quality equipment to open a clean lab. Think Positive pressure HEPA, clean room suits, calibrated scales, modular filteration system, etc. If I can do that for TRT, a full blown lab in business for at least 3 years has no excuse why they spent thousands on labels and couldn’t drop $300 on used American built or $750 for a Chinese clave. Come to think of it, how many vials can you clave in that pressure cooker, 20-30 maybe 40 at a time of they’re packed harder than stormy Daniels? But you’re talking about thousands of tabs?

Because all pressure cookers have the same fill capacity , right? You can fit a few hundred packed in sterilization bags at a time in the PC. We use Hepa filtration as well in the vialing area, that is not really anything to brag about as it should be considered a standard. However it sounds like you are describing a in home modular clean room that you had built. I would love to see some lab porn.

It sounds like you’re using that press for more than Dbol and adex, or at the very least security and quality aren’t really your top priorities.

Absofuckinglutely not. There is nothing manufactured with this equipment except for AAS.
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Holy shit. Did your brewer really compare an emergency field hospital to a stationary lab? Of course liberties are taken in an emergency situation. Have you ever packed a gunshot wound with dirt/clay after running out of quick clot because you know an infection in 2 days is better than bleeding out in an hour? Never, ever compare emergency medical techniques with sanitary lab practices.

Yes I know that water makes a better use in claves than air, and the word your brewer is looking for is “thermal diffusivity” or conductivity divided by density, water has a much higher specific heat than air, etc. it’s why your fridge air temp fluctuates a lot but the food inside barely changed temp.

I’m not arguing that steam is a better choice than air, I’m arguing the QUALITY of the equipment that you’re using.

As far as the clean room go fuck yourself. If you know about things like USP 797 and ISO-14644 you can figure out how to make a modular positive pressure space, even with soft walls. It’s really not that hard.
 
mp46 said:
Holy shit. Did your brewer really compare an emergency field hospital to a stationary lab? Of course liberties are taken in an emergency situation. Have you ever packed a gunshot wound with dirt/clay after running out of quick clot because you know an infection in 2 days is better than bleeding out in an hour? Never, ever compare emergency medical techniques with sanitary lab practices.

Yes I know that water makes a better use in claves than air, and the word your brewer is looking for is “thermal diffusivity” or conductivity divided by density, water has a much higher specific heat than air, etc. it’s why your fridge air temp fluctuates a lot but the food inside barely changed temp.

I’m not arguing that steam is a better choice than air, I’m arguing the QUALITY of the equipment that you’re using.

As far as the clean room go fuck yourself. If you know about things like USP 797 and ISO-14644 you can figure out how to make a modular positive pressure space, even with soft walls. It’s really not that hard.
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This is where we are. Either we can throw around disagreements I can provide articles we can beat this up like a cheap hooker or we can move on to the next topic.


I'm not one for beating up cheap hookers I'd prefer to move on Brochacho
 
mp46 said:
Holy shit. Did your brewer really compare an emergency field hospital to a stationary lab? Of course liberties are taken in an emergency situation. Have you ever packed a gunshot wound with dirt/clay after running out of quick clot because you know an infection in 2 days is better than bleeding out in an hour? Never, ever compare emergency medical techniques with sanitary lab practices.

Yes I know that water makes a better use in claves than air, and the word your brewer is looking for is “thermal diffusivity” or conductivity divided by density, water has a much higher specific heat than air, etc. it’s why your fridge air temp fluctuates a lot but the food inside barely changed temp.

I’m not arguing that steam is a better choice than air, I’m arguing the QUALITY of the equipment that you’re using.

As far as the clean room go fuck yourself. If you know about things like USP 797 and ISO-14644 you can figure out how to make a modular positive pressure space, even with soft walls. It’s really not that hard.
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Your posts are always so damn informative. You need to be active more often, that stuff is super helpful to know
 
SpartaPharmaUSA said:
This is where we are. Either we can throw around disagreements I can provide articles we can beat this up like a cheap hooker or we can move on to the next topic.


I'm not one for beating up cheap hookers I'd prefer to move on Brochacho
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I opened that link you posted and I didn't even make it past the fuckin title bro, you know why? "DDS" Are you fucking kidding?!? if you didn't know DDS means dentist. you're using dental hygiene to justify the sterility of things that will be injected?

Seriously give me one reason, just one and I'll actually read that paper, then come back to tell you why it's complete shit in this situation. If you think we're done, it's because you've fucked up and can't cover your ass or you really don't see your health issues here. So, please give me one reason to read that paper.
 
Also, the fact you didn't question shoving dirt in an open wound tells me you don't realize there's half a dozen other routes to take for much more sterile wound care before you get to that point. Actually, I can't think of a situation it could get that bad. So you trying to talk about emergency medical situations as an excuse to not use the best practices is laughable
 
Brawny said:
Your posts are always so damn informative. You need to be active more often, that stuff is super helpful to know
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Time really, y'all do good enough flushing out shitheads with the basics. But every now and then there's some bro science that makes me go WTF. If y'all wante to know the random science behind it I'll ask some more random shit from sources, but it's not often they make it past the basic vetting for me to bring shit up. Feel free to tag me in anything and I'll lend my brain to what I know.
 
mp46 said:
Time really, y'all do good enough flushing out shitheads with the basics. But every now and then there's some bro science that makes me go WTF. If y'all wante to know the random science behind it I'll ask some more random shit from sources, but it's not often they make it past the basic vetting for me to bring shit up. Feel free to tag me in anything and I'll lend my brain to what I know.
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What you do is much appreciated. Guess we will just call you and mightymouse the closers.
 
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Mdubbs said:
What you do is much appreciated. Guess we will just call you and mightymouse the closers. Aside from all the banter how is the source measuring up as far as the brewing process in your eyes? I mean I literally dont know shit about this stuff. Is he on par with the other ugl domestics that have been here for a bit? Or do you think you could probably go through debunk and knit pick them all?
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I could nitpick some of the set up if I actually looked at the pictures. From memory on dosing, they are already fucking up when it comes to being pro caliber. Because they don't test their raws they have no clue what the purity is. I'm not busting out the calculator for displacement etc, so easy math here. If you have a purity of 98% that means 2% is BS filler. If you want 100mg per ml and you put 100mg into to 1ml at 98% you really have 98mg/ml. However if you know that it's 98% you can put in 102.1 mg of powder and you really do have 100mg/ml. Scale that up to 1.021 grams for a vial or 102.1grams for a liter. So you've now got a product is 100% on the money at a 2% overage. While the common thing brewers say is we OD 10% on oil an 5% oral or whatever. Well if that's true then the source put in 110grams for a liter brew and has a result of 107.8mg/ml. That means one product is over dosed and the source wasted raws and the other is right on the money and delivered the promised product.

Now, we've seen some raw tests come back at 90-92% so if a source claims a 10% OD to the customers when he's got 92% raws he's actually got 101.2mg/ml. would you trust a source that says 10% od but it came back at 1% OD on a test? It seems insignificant but that's what sets sources apart. That's a quality product, something Sparta claims is paramount, but they don't even know how to properly dose cause they don't know what they have. Now, go look at another sources testing where their adex raws came back in the low 90s had they capped at 10% under you may very well get someone some gyno symptoms, I'm sure, but never confirmed, that source OD'd the raws to get you back at 100% for your Adex.
 
mp46 said:
I could nitpick some of the set up if I actually looked at the pictures. From memory on dosing, they are already fucking up when it comes to being pro caliber. Because they don't test their raws they have no clue what the purity is. I'm not busting out the calculator for displacement etc, so easy math here. If you have a purity of 98% that means 2% is BS filler. If you want 100mg per ml and you put 100mg into to 1ml at 98% you really have 98mg/ml. However if you know that it's 98% you can put in 102.1 mg of powder and you really do have 100mg/ml. Scale that up to 1.021 grams for a vial or 102.1grams for a liter. So you've now got a product is 100% on the money at a 2% overage. While the common thing brewers say is we OD 10% on oil an 5% oral or whatever. Well if that's true then the source put in 110grams for a liter brew and has a result of 107.8mg/ml. That means one product is over dosed and the source wasted raws and the other is right on the money and delivered the promised product.

Now, we've seen some raw tests come back at 90-92% so if a source claims a 10% OD to the customers when he's got 92% raws he's actually got 101.2mg/ml. would you trust a source that says 10% od but it came back at 1% OD on a test? It seems insignificant but that's what sets sources apart. That's a quality product, something Sparta claims is paramount, but they don't even know how to properly dose cause they don't know what they have. Now, go look at another sources testing where their adex raws came back in the low 90s had they capped at 10% under you may very well get someone some gyno symptoms, I'm sure, but never confirmed, that source OD'd the raws to get you back at 100% for your Adex.
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Damn dude, yeah I gotcha. They def have some loose ends to tighten up. I deleted half my post cause I didn't know if you really wanted to get into all that here. I appreciate your knowledge brother. We have a lot to learn from you and apparently so do some sources. These guys are claiming to do some testing here soon let's so how those tests turn out. This board is no joke sources better have their shit together.
 
mp46 said:
I could nitpick some of the set up if I actually looked at the pictures. From memory on dosing, they are already fucking up when it comes to being pro caliber. Because they don't test their raws they have no clue what the purity is. I'm not busting out the calculator for displacement etc, so easy math here. If you have a purity of 98% that means 2% is BS filler. If you want 100mg per ml and you put 100mg into to 1ml at 98% you really have 98mg/ml. However if you know that it's 98% you can put in 102.1 mg of powder and you really do have 100mg/ml. Scale that up to 1.021 grams for a vial or 102.1grams for a liter. So you've now got a product is 100% on the money at a 2% overage. While the common thing brewers say is we OD 10% on oil an 5% oral or whatever. Well if that's true then the source put in 110grams for a liter brew and has a result of 107.8mg/ml. That means one product is over dosed and the source wasted raws and the other is right on the money and delivered the promised product.

Now, we've seen some raw tests come back at 90-92% so if a source claims a 10% OD to the customers when he's got 92% raws he's actually got 101.2mg/ml. would you trust a source that says 10% od but it came back at 1% OD on a test? It seems insignificant but that's what sets sources apart. That's a quality product, something Sparta claims is paramount, but they don't even know how to properly dose cause they don't know what they have. Now, go look at another sources testing where their adex raws came back in the low 90s had they capped at 10% under you may very well get someone some gyno symptoms, I'm sure, but never confirmed, that source OD'd the raws to get you back at 100% for your Adex.
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So testing your raws first is a must to see what you're dealing with purity wise. How much can go wrong in the brewing process to fuck up your finished product? I guess the question is how hard is it to make test cyp 250 actually 250?
 
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Little earlier. Should be closer to your time

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Here. We. Go.

you're using protexics surgical gloves that cost like $3 a pair but you can't afford an autoclave? Also, they're latex, what are you doing to protect against clients that may have latex allergies for something they are injecting? Protexis makes non-latex gloves, switch.

Next you have a filter set up using a peri pump, how are the lines cleaned and sterilized after each run to avoid cross contamination and maintain sterility?

The bottle it's going into has a vent hole haphazardly made into the cap, I can see the burrs left over. That's supposed to be sterile, how long has it been like that and what stops shavings from making it into the media bottle then vial? That's basic quality control, come on.

Next we have a basket with vials just laying in there, why aren't they uniform instead of strewn about, that's how things chip, or at the least grind. Has the basket been sterilized? You mentioned that the vials are put into autoclave bags, where are they? why were the vials not left in the autoclave bags? the sealed bags were sterile, if done correctly, and you've now broken that integrity.

Then we have all the stoppers laying on the counter, again, how were they sterilized, and why were they taken out of the bag and tossed on the open counter?

For the pressure cooker, I don't see any locking lugs, how is that pressure cooker secured and what's the heating source? Based on the measurements compared to the water and alcohol you have a 18-21L pressure cooker, what temperature, pressure and time are you using to sterilize each load? How many vials are sterilized in each load and how are they arranged inside the vessel?
 
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