Stanford Pharma aka SP = Meso Member Xkawn

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

I think at this point, asking Stan for lab pics, testing and whatever else is completely irrelevant. Yes, he wasnt vetted at all. Slid right in. But Stan is far too compromised at this point.
For him to proceed as planned is mind numbing. Anyone who would still order after all this, would be a fool. This will not end well for anyone.
I used his stuff years ago, I had no issues. But it what just as equal to most of everything else I used. That's it.
I saw someone say, it doesnt matter what OPs true intentions are. Well, it does. I have no idea who is behind that handle, frankly I dont give a fuck at this point. However, whatever his end game is, I dont think it's going to stop here. Theres much more going on here in the grand scheme of things.
Reminds me of rival drug dealers. If you cant kill your competition, you set them up.
Not sure what the case is here, but fuck @StanfordPharma get your head out of your ass man.

Oh he’s gonna continue to source and the StanBois will line up waiting for the private list.

It’s desperation. They act like fucking junkies.

Just READ and you’ll easily find other good sources. There will always be UGLs here. There is MORE than enough bitcoins and that’s all they care about. We only want good quality, safe sources at MESO so don’t lower your standards.

*everyone turns around to look at @justanoob

 

[Sp2.0]

The upside about this thread is since it's out there and with the discussions that we've all had members can at least make a better informed decision to use him or not.

 

[justanoob]

Oh he’s gonna continue to source and the StanBois will line up waiting for the private list.

It’s desperation. They act like fucking junkies.

Just READ and you’ll easily find other good sources. There will always be UGLs here. There is MORE than enough bitcoins and that’s all they care about. We only want good quality, safe sources at MESO so don’t lower your standards.

*everyone turns around to look at @justanoob

not sure why you tagged me when I have said numerous times I not only respect meso's vigourous vetting process, but I also appreciate it. I said you guys have been doing this far longer than I have, and I trust what you guys are doing here with Stan. Especially yourself. But I do feel theres something else going on and @Rapier did not do this for Meso. He has other motives and they do matter. Also, I feel no matter what Stan would do now, theres a large crowd of people who will still try to end his run here. even if he would comply.

I guess because I didn't grab the pitchforks with everyone else, and I said Stan has always done right by me, and I had better experinces with ordering from him then any other source currently still around that everything else I have said is completely void.

 

[lifter6973]

Oh he’s gonna continue to source and the StanBois will line up waiting for the private list.

It’s desperation. They act like fucking junkies.

Just READ and you’ll easily find other good sources. There will always be UGLs here. There is MORE than enough bitcoins and that’s all they care about. We only want good quality, safe sources at MESO so don’t lower your standards.

*everyone turns around to look at @justanoob

Im liking this one cuz of the points plus you referenced that fucking idiot @justanoob

 

[justanoob]

Im liking this one cuz of the points plus you referenced that fucking idiot @justanoob

Still butt hurt that you tried to be funny on the other thread and got clowned? So sad man, if you keep trying you can make a few people laugh I believe in you

 

[bolder]

Finally caught up in this thread. Ik, Ik.. I’m slow

@Rapier or whomever he really is, is trying to promote this being from a harm reduction aspect , while potentially doing harm to a member here turned source. Sounds almost hypocritical
I’m all about being informed but this was the worst way possible to do so. Seems its personal and a shitty fuckin way to go about it!

Bottom line is if Stan didn’t get vetted in the right way then it’s the members fault not the sources. It’s our responsibility to vet sources.

All you mother fuckers need to be pointing a finger at yourself (myself included here) for not vetting Stan in a more “Meso” kind of way.
I see many wanting to blame Stan along with other members that are/were here giving a “gtg” for him and then him being a source because he wasn’t vetted in the beginning. I mean.. really?!
Isn’t it up to us members to call out the shills and vet these sources to our best abilities? Us members dropped the ball here!!

Someone please explain to me the right way to vet a source.... Every source that comes through here is vetted in different ways because we do NOT have a set standard here for vetting sources. Yes we test these sources and put them through the ringer (some harder than others for whatever reason). But there’s no gold standard to hold them to. If there is one please lmk!!

Some also fail to realize that the vetting process in the beginning isn’t what determines how good a source does here. It’s how they do over time that makes or breaks them. If we don’t continue to vet all sources throughout their stay here, then we have only ourselves to blame....

There’s no perfect UGLs and no perfect way to vet them. I’ve seen bad ones stay around and good ones get ran off. Just how shit is.

Being informed is the most important thing we can do here. We should inform others in order to help one another. That way we can set our own individual standards to choose whatever source that we’re most comfortable with from the information we’ve gathered.

I’m always a Members first kinda guy. But I’m more of what’s right is right. Sources should be vetted throughout but this isn’t a productive way to do it IMO. The members that “now” want to jump and get in on the vetting process in this thread is really rewarding bad behavior and bad practices (again IMO)

Vet these sources in their own threads so that their customers can see and be informed there. Starting a thread like this, in this way, is just bad taste and screams retaliation to me! Not productive and not the way to put out information that will/can help our community. Personal gain is the goal here, to only help ones self!

The only bad thing if sources weren’t here would be that there wouldn’t be any drama for me to read! Who am I kidding, that’s what some members are here for...

 

[Oldschool]

Nobody’s fighting over a source tho. Just personal shit.

This whole fucking thread was started by someone with a personal vendetta you dumbass meathead. Can’t have it both ways.

 

[muscletrain]

This whole fucking thread was started by someone with a personal vendetta you dumbass meathead. Can’t have it both ways.

Cool beans as far as I've seen you completely avoided my question of if you think Stanford should post his lab like every other source. I think everyone has established the original poster is not mother Theresa it's the points that have been brought up that were focusing on.

I mean unless Stanford can't drive down the road to grab a few photos and just fucking shut down one of the concerns in here. You seemed to be focused on who posted the content not at all that some of it raises questions for any source tbh.

 

[dumbbellpress]

Finally caught up in this thread. Ik, Ik.. I’m slow

@Rapier or whomever he really is, is trying to promote this being from a harm reduction aspect , while potentially doing harm to a member here turned source. Sounds almost hypocritical
I’m all about being informed but this was the worst way possible to do so. Seems its personal and a shitty fuckin way to go about it!

Bottom line is if Stan didn’t get vetted in the right way then it’s the members fault not the sources. It’s our responsibility to vet sources.

All you mother fuckers need to be pointing a finger at yourself (myself included here) for not vetting Stan in a more “Meso” kind of way.
I see many wanting to blame Stan along with other members that are/were here giving a “gtg” for him and then him being a source because he wasn’t vetted in the beginning. I mean.. really?!
Isn’t it up to us members to call out the shills and vet these sources to our best abilities? Us members dropped the ball here!!

Someone please explain to me the right way to vet a source.... Every source that comes through here is vetted in different ways because we do NOT have a set standard here for vetting sources. Yes we test these sources and put them through the ringer (some harder than others for whatever reason). But there’s no gold standard to hold them to. If there is one please lmk!!

Some also fail to realize that the vetting process in the beginning isn’t what determines how good a source does here. It’s how they do over time that makes or breaks them. If we don’t continue to vet all sources throughout their stay here, then we have only ourselves to blame....

There’s no perfect UGLs and no perfect way to vet them. I’ve seen bad ones stay around and good ones get ran off. Just how shit is.

Being informed is the most important thing we can do here. We should inform others in order to help one another. That way we can set our own individual standards to choose whatever source that we’re most comfortable with from the information we’ve gathered.

I’m always a Members first kinda guy. But I’m more of what’s right is right. Sources should be vetted throughout but this isn’t a productive way to do it IMO. The members that “now” want to jump and get in on the vetting process in this thread is really rewarding bad behavior and bad practices (again IMO)

Vet these sources in their own threads so that their customers can see and be informed there. Starting a thread like this, in this way, is just bad taste and screams retaliation to me! Not productive and not the way to put out information that will/can help our community. Personal gain is the goal here, to only help ones self!

The only bad thing if sources weren’t here would be that there wouldn’t be any drama for me to read! Who am I kidding, that’s what some members are here for...

We are trying to vet Stan, but he refuses to be vetted. We want Stanford to do the right thing and prove he is a legit, honest, clean lab, but Stan is not acting honorably, he refuses to do the right thing. Ever since Stan came to Meso he has acted shady as fuck (posting as Xkahwn) as well as in some ways how he has run his own lab. Stan has not acted honorably. The vets who vetted him also acted shady as fuck and did not act honorably. I am probably more angry at the vets who vetted him than Stan himself. There is plenty of blame to go around.

In 2001 when I was new to Meso, the long-time vets like VDC, Phreezer, Millard, Hogg, Sombat and the like actually were "honorable" and would never have pulled a bullshit vetting process like the vets of 2017 did with Stanford.

Stanford is not ""the good guy"" you think he is. Have you read all (498) posts of his where he posted as Xkahn ? Hmm Bolder ? Well I have read all (498) posts and guess what? He is not "the good guy" you think he is.

Honestly, your entire post absolutely sucks. Your post sucks. I read it and just shook my head. I really cannot tolerate your post.

You are extremely inexperienced and have not seen the hundreds......no thousands........ of dishonest scams that so many of us more experienced than you have seen over the last 15-20 years. You really have no idea how dishonest most of these internet AAS sources are, yet here you are in this thread coming to the rescue of Stan. Stan is not worthy of being saved. You think that Stan is a good guy Bolder. But he is not. Stan is not a good guy and I do not trust, nor respect him.

Those of us who have been on the boards 15-20 years and seen dishonest source after dishonest source after dishonest source scam decent, honest, hard-working members out of their hard-earned money are sick of all of the scamming.

 

[Mighty-mouse]

We are trying to vet Stan, but he refuses to be vetted. We want Stanford to do the right thing and prove he is a legit, honest, clean lab, but Stan is not acting honorably, he refuses to do the right thing. Ever since Stan came to Meso he has acted shady as fuck (posting as Xkahwn) as well as in some ways how he has run his own lab. Stan has not acted honorably. The vets who vetted him also acted shady as fuck and did not act honorably. I am probably more angry at the vets who vetted him than Stan himself. There is plenty of blame to go around.

In 2001 when I was new to Meso, the long-time vets like VDC, Phreezer, Millard, Hogg, Sombat and the like actually were "honorable" and would never have pulled a bullshit vetting process like the vets of 2017 did with Stanford.

Stanford is not ""the good guy"" you think he is. Have you read all (498) posts of his where he posted as Xkahn ? Hmm Bolder ? Well I have read all (498) posts and guess what? He is not "the good guy" you think he is.

Honestly, your entire post absolutely sucks. Your post sucks. I read it and just shook my head. I really cannot tolerate your post.

You are extremely inexperienced and have not seen the hundreds......no thousands........ of dishonest scams that so many of us more experienced than you have seen over the last 15-20 years. You really have no idea how dishonest most of these internet AAS sources are, yet here you are in this thread coming to the rescue of Stan. Stan is not worthy of being saved. You think that Stan is a good guy Bolder. But he is not. Stan is not a good guy and I do not trust, nor respect him.

Those of us who have been on the boards 15-20 years and seen dishonest source after dishonest source after dishonest source scam decent, honest, hard-working members out of their hard-earned money are sick of all of the scamming.

What was your name before the one u use now?

 

[dumbbellpress]

Stan bragged repeatedly about being a multi-time convicted felon in his posts as XKahn. He posted repeatedly about owning weapons and showed pics of them. As a multi-time convicted felon with an arsenal of weapons, for my personal safety, no.

If that makes me a pussy, then I am a pussy.

The mentality of a dude like him genuinely gives me pause. And I am glad I never dealt with him.

Read the (498) posts of XKahn. Get to know him.

 

[Mighty-mouse]

Stan bragged repeatedly about being a multi-time convicted felon in his posts as XKahn. He posted repeatedly about owning weapons and showed pics of them. As a multi-time convicted felon with an arsenal of weapons, for my personal safety, no.

If that makes me a pussy, then I am a pussy.

The mentality of a dude like him genuinely gives me pause. And I am glad I never dealt with him.

Read the (498) posts of XKahn. Get to know him.

What was your previous name

 

[Mighty-mouse]

Stan bragged repeatedly about being a multi-time convicted felon in his posts as XKahn. He posted repeatedly about owning weapons and showed pics of them. As a multi-time convicted felon with an arsenal of weapons, for my personal safety, no.

If that makes me a pussy, then I am a pussy.

The mentality of a dude like him genuinely gives me pause. And I am glad I never dealt with him.

Read the (498) posts of XKahn. Get to know him.

Ok first off you haven’t ever vetted anybody you tried to order a bulk order from Stan and TGI and they told u to get fucked.

U don’t have much weight with your name calling out members of this board so I ask you again who were U before this screen name

 

[Oldschool]

Cool beans as far as I've seen you completely avoided my question of if you think Stanford should post his lab like every other source. I think everyone has established the original poster is not mother Theresa it's the points that have been brought up that were focusing on.

I mean unless Stanford can't drive down the road to grab a few photos and just fucking shut down one of the concerns in here. You seemed to be focused on who posted the content not at all that some of it raises questions for any source tbh.

Stanford is done here. He would be a fucking idiot to source here after this. Are you that fucking stupid?

 

[Oldschool]

We are trying to vet Stan, but he refuses to be vetted. We want Stanford to do the right thing and prove he is a legit, honest, clean lab, but Stan is not acting honorably, he refuses to do the right thing. Ever since Stan came to Meso he has acted shady as fuck (posting as Xkahwn) as well as in some ways how he has run his own lab. Stan has not acted honorably. The vets who vetted him also acted shady as fuck and did not act honorably. I am probably more angry at the vets who vetted him than Stan himself. There is plenty of blame to go around.

In 2001 when I was new to Meso, the long-time vets like VDC, Phreezer, Millard, Hogg, Sombat and the like actually were "honorable" and would never have pulled a bullshit vetting process like the vets of 2017 did with Stanford.

Stanford is not ""the good guy"" you think he is. Have you read all (498) posts of his where he posted as Xkahn ? Hmm Bolder ? Well I have read all (498) posts and guess what? He is not "the good guy" you think he is.

Honestly, your entire post absolutely sucks. Your post sucks. I read it and just shook my head. I really cannot tolerate your post.

You are extremely inexperienced and have not seen the hundreds......no thousands........ of dishonest scams that so many of us more experienced than you have seen over the last 15-20 years. You really have no idea how dishonest most of these internet AAS sources are, yet here you are in this thread coming to the rescue of Stan. Stan is not worthy of being saved. You think that Stan is a good guy Bolder. But he is not. Stan is not a good guy and I do not trust, nor respect him.

Those of us who have been on the boards 15-20 years and seen dishonest source after dishonest source after dishonest source scam decent, honest, hard-working members out of their hard-earned money are sick of all of the scamming.

When has Stanford scammed anyone out of money?

 

[bolder]

I mean unless Stanford can't drive down the road to grab a few photos and just fucking shut down one of the concerns in here. You seemed to be focused on who posted the content not at all that some of it raises questions for any source tbh.

Why though? Did he have contaminated gear? Did someone report an infection? Or is to prove that he actually brews?
I’m just trying to get shit straight because I’ve not been around for a couple months and not up to date.

If there hasn’t been any issues come up about sterility I just don’t understand the reasoning? If he were a new source then absolutely I understand. But at this point unless Stanford has some gear or brewing related issues I can’t see how this is vetting in a productive way? It seems it’s just making issues where there aren’t any?

If Stan decides to return then I’d almost guarantee his customer base won’t go down very much. Some people will order no matter what. Always do. It’s kinda the Meso way. You can’t keep anyone from doing what they want. Just hope they have all the information that’s available and say a prayer for em


I’m not taking up for Stan or any source and could care less if Stan decides to open back up. As long as members are aware of everything it’s their decision to order or not. Personally I don’t mess with any private source because I feel it’s harder to hold them accountable. That’s just me....

This way of going after sources as a way of “vetting” just doesn’t seem right to me. If issues are happening then like I said I can understand it. But if there isn’t any issues pertaining to what you’re demanding then I just don’t understand why?
Holding all sources accountable is one thing but that doesn’t seem like what’s going on here. It feels more like an attack without reason.
Just from reading this thread the only thing I seen unacceptable was Stan keeping his Xkawn member status and posting with that status in other threads. That is a issue for sure. The shills and fanboys have always been around with most sources (in general) so that didn’t surprise me.

Shit I may have my thoughts backwards here, but the motive behind this thread has me more curious and has me thinking it will have more harm in the long run than Stan not showing his lab pics at this point in time of him sourcing here.
Maybe I’ve been away too long and got soft or something. If so somebody, anybody, feel free to set me straight!

Note; if I repeated myself multiple times then my bad, I catch myself doing that sometimes lol. I’m not gonna go back and reread and see. The post is just too damn long for that!

 

[Sp2.0]

Why though? Did he have contaminated gear? Did someone report an infection? Or is to prove that he actually brews?
I’m just trying to get shit straight because I’ve not been around for a couple months and not up to date.

If there hasn’t been any issues come up about sterility I just don’t understand the reasoning? If he were a new source then absolutely I understand. But at this point unless Stanford has some gear or brewing related issues I can’t see how this is vetting in a productive way? It seems it’s just making issues where there aren’t any?

If Stan decides to return then I’d almost guarantee his customer base won’t go down very much. Some people will order no matter what. Always do. It’s kinda the Meso way. You can’t keep anyone from doing what they want. Just hope they have all the information that’s available and say a prayer for em


I’m not taking up for Stan or any source and could care less if Stan decides to open back up. As long as members are aware of everything it’s their decision to order or not. Personally I don’t mess with any private source because I feel it’s harder to hold them accountable. That’s just me....

This way of going after sources as a way of “vetting” just doesn’t seem right to me. If issues are happening then like I said I can understand it. But if there isn’t any issues pertaining to what you’re demanding then I just don’t understand why?
Holding all sources accountable is one thing but that doesn’t seem like what’s going on here. It feels more like an attack without reason.
Just from reading this thread the only thing I seen unacceptable was Stan keeping his Xkawn member status and posting with that status in other threads. That is a issue for sure. The shills and fanboys have always been around with most sources (in general) so that didn’t surprise me.

Shit I may have my thoughts backwards here, but the motive behind this thread has me more curious and has me thinking it will have more harm in the long run than Stan not showing his lab pics at this point in time of him sourcing here.
Maybe I’ve been away too long and got soft or something. If so somebody, anybody, feel free to set me straight!

Note; if I repeated myself multiple times then my bad, I catch myself doing that sometimes lol. I’m not gonna go back and reread and see. The post is just too damn long for that!

This thread has kind of jumped the shark but its good to see your long ass emoji filled posts again.

 

[Oldschool]

This thread has kind of jumped the shark but its good to see your long ass emoji filled posts again.

Missed me some Boulder. Always calm, cool and on point.

 

[Mighty-mouse]

Why though? Did he have contaminated gear? Did someone report an infection? Or is to prove that he actually brews?
I’m just trying to get shit straight because I’ve not been around for a couple months and not up to date.

If there hasn’t been any issues come up about sterility I just don’t understand the reasoning? If he were a new source then absolutely I understand. But at this point unless Stanford has some gear or brewing related issues I can’t see how this is vetting in a productive way? It seems it’s just making issues where there aren’t any?

If Stan decides to return then I’d almost guarantee his customer base won’t go down very much. Some people will order no matter what. Always do. It’s kinda the Meso way. You can’t keep anyone from doing what they want. Just hope they have all the information that’s available and say a prayer for em


I’m not taking up for Stan or any source and could care less if Stan decides to open back up. As long as members are aware of everything it’s their decision to order or not. Personally I don’t mess with any private source because I feel it’s harder to hold them accountable. That’s just me....

This way of going after sources as a way of “vetting” just doesn’t seem right to me. If issues are happening then like I said I can understand it. But if there isn’t any issues pertaining to what you’re demanding then I just don’t understand why?
Holding all sources accountable is one thing but that doesn’t seem like what’s going on here. It feels more like an attack without reason.
Just from reading this thread the only thing I seen unacceptable was Stan keeping his Xkawn member status and posting with that status in other threads. That is a issue for sure. The shills and fanboys have always been around with most sources (in general) so that didn’t surprise me.

Shit I may have my thoughts backwards here, but the motive behind this thread has me more curious and has me thinking it will have more harm in the long run than Stan not showing his lab pics at this point in time of him sourcing here.
Maybe I’ve been away too long and got soft or something. If so somebody, anybody, feel free to set me straight!

Note; if I repeated myself multiple times then my bad, I catch myself doing that sometimes lol. I’m not gonna go back and reread and see. The post is just too damn long for that!

He needs to post pics of his raws at the very least in my opinion. He addmitted to ordering half finished product from ppl so this def needs to be addressed

 

[DrinkFlintWater]

We are trying to vet Stan, but he refuses to be vetted. We want Stanford to do the right thing and prove he is a legit, honest, clean lab, but Stan is not acting honorably, he refuses to do the right thing. Ever since Stan came to Meso he has acted shady as fuck (posting as Xkahwn) as well as in some ways how he has run his own lab. Stan has not acted honorably. The vets who vetted him also acted shady as fuck and did not act honorably. I am probably more angry at the vets who vetted him than Stan himself. There is plenty of blame to go around.

In 2001 when I was new to Meso, the long-time vets like VDC, Phreezer, Millard, Hogg, Sombat and the like actually were "honorable" and would never have pulled a bullshit vetting process like the vets of 2017 did with Stanford.

Stanford is not ""the good guy"" you think he is. Have you read all (498) posts of his where he posted as Xkahn ? Hmm Bolder ? Well I have read all (498) posts and guess what? He is not "the good guy" you think he is.

Honestly, your entire post absolutely sucks. Your post sucks. I read it and just shook my head. I really cannot tolerate your post.

You are extremely inexperienced and have not seen the hundreds......no thousands........ of dishonest scams that so many of us more experienced than you have seen over the last 15-20 years. You really have no idea how dishonest most of these internet AAS sources are, yet here you are in this thread coming to the rescue of Stan. Stan is not worthy of being saved. You think that Stan is a good guy Bolder. But he is not. Stan is not a good guy and I do not trust, nor respect him.

Those of us who have been on the boards 15-20 years and seen dishonest source after dishonest source after dishonest source scam decent, honest, hard-working members out of their hard-earned money are sick of all of the scamming.

19 yr vet. Out of curiosity, where were you in 2017? Hiatus?