Stanford Pharma aka SP = Meso Member Xkawn

He needs to post pics of his raws at the very least in my opinion. He addmitted to ordering half finished product from ppl so this def needs to be addressed
He will do his thing on the private side and these 20 year “vets” will have to look for another source. 20 years on a steroid forum and still ordering from start up labs. That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard in awhile.
 
We are trying to vet Stan, but he refuses to be vetted. We want Stanford to do the right thing and prove he is a legit, honest, clean lab, but Stan is not acting honorably, he refuses to do the right thing. Ever since Stan came to Meso he has acted shady as fuck (posting as Xkahwn) as well as in some ways how he has run his own lab. Stan has not acted honorably. The vets who vetted him also acted shady as fuck and did not act honorably. I am probably more angry at the vets who vetted him than Stan himself. There is plenty of blame to go around.

In 2001 when I was new to Meso, the long-time vets like VDC, Phreezer, Millard, Hogg, Sombat and the like actually were "honorable" and would never have pulled a bullshit vetting process like the vets of 2017 did with Stanford.

Stanford is not ""the good guy"" you think he is. Have you read all (498) posts of his where he posted as Xkahn ? Hmm Bolder ? Well I have read all (498) posts and guess what? He is not "the good guy" you think he is.

Honestly, your entire post absolutely sucks. Your post sucks. I read it and just shook my head. I really cannot tolerate your post.

You are extremely inexperienced and have not seen the hundreds......no thousands........ of dishonest scams that so many of us more experienced than you have seen over the last 15-20 years. You really have no idea how dishonest most of these internet AAS sources are, yet here you are in this thread coming to the rescue of Stan. Stan is not worthy of being saved. You think that Stan is a good guy Bolder. But he is not. Stan is not a good guy and I do not trust, nor respect him.

Those of us who have been on the boards 15-20 years and seen dishonest source after dishonest source after dishonest source scam decent, honest, hard-working members out of their hard-earned money are sick of all of the scamming.
Psshhtt... saving Stan? Wtf
I don’t know Stan or xkawn in any shape or form from a personal standpoint. Nor do I care to learn more or befriend him.

I have seen more than my fare shares of dirty sources and scammers. Those are the ones we try to run outta here. Where you there helping any of those times? I don’t recall your handle if so???
I’m not about sticking up for sources. I also think there should be a balance here if we as a community decide to have sources here. In this instance it’s not about sticking up for a source it’s about trying to show balance from each side. Going into sources like this thread has done isn’t balance. It’s all about vengeance here. That’s clear.

I have been doing this shit for a decade. It’s not as long as some but still I have some time invested in this board. I have help run out scammers and just plan bad sources. If they fuck up i don’t mind to call em out.
I’ve also have made a lot of purchases over the years and yeah I’ve been burned a time or two. But not many. I put in the time to research and see how things play out. I like to think I make informed decisions and seems to have worked out for me. Js.

You on the other hand seem to have a vendetta here. Clearly you were ripped off and seeking your own kinda justice. You’re clearly here for you and not anyone else.

As for me I try to involve myself for what’s best for the community as a whole. Not what’s just best for me.... o_O
 
He will do his thing on the private side and these 20 year “vets” will have to look for another source. 20 years on a steroid forum and still ordering from start up labs. That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard in awhile.

I agree and would recommend everyone ordering make sure they get a pick of raw stash and paper and date.

I won’t order cause my guy is just on point with everything lately

Edit

If he reading this ..... fuck you too source ass mutha fucca
 
He needs to post pics of his raws at the very least in my opinion. He addmitted to ordering half finished product from ppl so this def needs to be addressed
Good point and that’s something I can stand behind. If there are valid issues then yessir let’s call em out with any and all sources. Not just randomly ask for whatever fits the vetting profile :D

I believe @Oldschool is right. Stan is done here. I still wanted to give out my perspectives as I feel it can maybe help in the future.... or some bullshit like that :p
 
I keep saying. In my head, this is my last post on this. Theres just no winning. Here are a few things that i want to say.

Opsec, i have yet to see anything posted that would be an opsec issue. If so, and ANY of this was about member safety I'm sure someone would have pm'd me with it, right? It's nothing less than an attack on me. You aren't gonna find me because i said i have a family or some tattoos or something. Even as xkawn i didn't want to go to jail just like anyone else here so i didn't go out giving up too much personal info. If the off chance that rhere was something, you know how to pm me.

Lab, i just got out of the hospital and am working on being able to walk again. I mentioned this before the shit storm. Everything is in storage many miles away. Anywhere between 50 and a 100 miles. I don't want to be specific. I'm not too concerned about this anyway. I've been a source here for 4 years and been doing this on a meso and have been doing this in total for a very long time. Any complaints? If anything folks should be asking to see my lab so they know how it's done right. All these years and no issues. Doing something right. Not trying to be an ass, but you certainly have a right to choose who you might think is a better source.

Exit scam/me being a bad guy. This is funny because they've been saying i was gonna exit scam since i came here. I'm actually going private to slow things down. If i was gonna exit scam i would stay open to the public and have a sale. The last 2 sales i had were insane. I would have done it then. I want to be a smaller source again. Much less stress. As for me being a bad guy, lol. Wtf. I was stupid when i was young, but never a bad guy. I'm sure plenty of long time customers or the people I've helped out could attest to that, but i wouldn't ecpect them too. This is meso after all.

Me being vetted. Sorry, but it's just too late for vetting. I've already been here too long. At this point it wouldn't be about member safety. It would be moreso about how some members just feel offended they didn't know i was xkawn. Once again, I'm not trying to be an ass, but if i was on the outside looking in i would be thinking vetting for what. He's already proven he knows what he's doing.

This whole thread. Absolutely none of this is about member safety. No one in this thread is doing this for member safety. If it was and there was an issue folks would have brought anything questionable to my attention FOR member safety. Instead of post it openly and compromise member safety.

Also, out of some of the personal things posted of me not all are even true. Some of the false things I'm sure are intentionally added to make me look like a risk or a bad guy.

As a source the only quality complaints are from a few guys that had a feeling my product was underdosed. A few of them apologized for being wrong. The others were told to get it tested. I'll pay for everything. Nothings been tested and came back bad. I've had some pip complaints and i took care of those the best i could. Like Above and beyond best i could. I've always tried to go above and beyond.

As for the guys that vouched for me when i came in there were a few guys i told to stop. I came out and made it public at the time that one guy i helped get back on his feet so take his opinion with a grain of salt. A few of them i won't even answer their emails because of their questionable behavior. I heard one of them was burning people in my name. Even though i had nothing to do with it i took care of those people. Sound like a bad guy? There are a few people that, in casual conversation, told me about members that were having a rough time so i helped out anonymously. My whole take is meso has taken care of me as a source and i think sources should give back to the community. So i ask this. What have i said or done that makes me a bad guy? Because some time last century i lived a rough life? I turned my life around last century.

So, all due respect, just like those that complained about me in the beginning and ever since they are not customers, probably never have been and probaly never will. Not out for member safety. I'm going private because there's just too many customers to handle and want to get back to the customer service like back in the day. So, whoever was behind the attempt to discredit me. It is for nothing. I'm actually trying to reduce my customer base greatly anyways for better customer service and a better t/a.
 
He needs to post pics of his raws at the very least in my opinion. He addmitted to ordering half finished product from ppl so this def needs to be addressed
I can't take pics. In storage and far away. The only items that were sent semi finished were items i posted labs on as finished product. Everything else I've tested and did labs for were of raw powder including like a week ago.
 
Really have no idea. I'm dealing with rehabbing and trying to get back on my feet. If you look at my testing from a week ago it's 10 items in raw powder.

I don’t care about your rehabbing or your raws you sent.... you are a source a dealer a person that gets money from members. All that aside we need to see pics of raws with a piece of crumbled paper with meso wrote on it and a date. If u decide to continue to source here.

I don’t know why u would continue and not cut your loses but if u continue u need to at least do this
 
I don’t care about your rehabbing or your raws you sent.... you are a source a dealer a person that gets money from members. All that aside we need to see pics of raws with a piece of crumbled paper with meso wrote on it and a date. If u decide to continue to source here.

I don’t know why u would continue and not cut your loses but if u continue u need to at least do this
I thought proven it with testing would be better because powder is just powder. Was trying to go above and beyond by proving it to you. I could even try and get source to confirm. As for a pic of just powder. Not sure when i even could.
 
I thought proven it with testing would be better because powder is just powder. Was trying to go above and beyond by proving it to you. I could even try and get source to confirm. As for a pic of just powder. Not sure when i even could.

Test are good but who knows who sent the raws in. Hell if I throw panda a extra hundred I’m sure he would send it on my behalf. We want to see raws in the pack. I mean TGI has 40kg of raws you should have enough to satisfy meso.

Or

Just hang it up and stop posting here. Members requested a pic and regardless of how “fire” your gear is...... the pic needs to be posted. Vetting is an ongoing process and even labs that have had good reviews are subject to being asked vetting questions.

At this point I don’t even want to see a “lab” I want to see raws scales and exponents. To get rid of the fact u don’t cook your gear but buy half finished oils.
 
Really have no idea. I'm dealing with rehabbing and trying to get back on my feet. If you look at my testing from a week ago it's 10 items in raw powder.
I thought proven it with testing would be better because powder is just powder. Was trying to go above and beyond by proving it to you. I could even try and get source to confirm. As for a pic of just powder. Not sure when i even could.
Before you open back up would be a good start...
As a long time member here turned source you should already know to get everything lined out before you do reopen. Fill the request (within reason) that have been asked. Private or not it’s in your best interest to do so imo if you plan on sticking around.

Responding to valid points and issues that were pointed out needs to be handled properly and addressed.

The initial way of vetting new sources may not be needed here but the continuous vetting and for you to accommodate members requests for pointed out issues while you’re here should be expected though.
 
Before you open back up would be a good start...
As a long time member here turned source you should already know to get everything lined out before you do reopen. Fill the request (within reason) that have been asked. Private or not it’s in your best interest to do so imo if you plan on sticking around.

Responding to valid points and issues that were pointed out needs to be handled properly and addressed.

The initial way of vetting new sources may not be needed here but the continuous vetting and for you to accommodate members requests for pointed out issues while you’re here should be expected though.

I agree! If he can’t do this he needs to stop posting and retire.
 
Test are good but who knows who sent the raws in. Hell if I throw panda a extra hundred I’m sure he would send it on my behalf. We want to see raws in the pack. I mean TGI has 40kg of raws you should have enough to satisfy meso.

Or

Just hang it up and stop posting here. Members requested a pic and regardless of how “fire” your gear is...... the pic needs to be posted. Vetting is an ongoing process and even labs that have had good reviews are subject to being asked vetting questions.

At this point I don’t even want to see a “lab” I want to see raws scales and exponents. To get rid of the fact u don’t cook your gear but buy half finished oils.
I'll do my best, but not because someone tells me to hang it up. All due respect, but i haven't broke any board rules and last i checked millard was the board owner. Not trying to disrespect you or any other member, but that sounds ptetty rude and i tried to accommodate you. I will continue to source as a private source and i will continue to be a member.
 
I'll do my best, but not because someone tells me to hang it up. All due respect, but i haven't broke any board rules and last i checked millard was the board owner. Not trying to disrespect you or any other member, but that sounds ptetty rude and i tried to accommodate you. I will continue to source as a private source and i will continue to be a member.

So your saying you won’t or will post pics of raws?
 
Before you open back up would be a good start...
As a long time member here turned source you should already know to get everything lined out before you do reopen. Fill the request (within reason) that have been asked. Private or not it’s in your best interest to do so imo if you plan on sticking around.

Responding to valid points and issues that were pointed out needs to be handled properly and addressed.

The initial way of vetting new sources may not be needed here but the continuous vetting and for you to accommodate members requests for pointed out issues while you’re here should be expected though.
Doing my best. I've answered all these questions and trying to be as professional as i can no matter what's being said about me. Some of the conversation is just circular. And some of the not true stuff and false accusations I've tried to deal with no matter how frustrating.
 
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