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[Mighty-mouse]

Stans supporters then were the BBBG, MisterSuperGod, mightymouse, amtont, mac11 and Oldschool(just to name a few of the popular guys today) of that time.
I liked and trusted those guys and posted that stan had some big names backing him, wished him well, and moved on to the next source that needed attention.
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When did I ever support him find one post and I will cash app you some money! I never bought or supported this guy!

Unless there is another Mighty Mouse get your facts straight cause I never supported him!

Edit

But I can agree on some things u did say.

 

[bolder]

To each their own. Everyone’s able to make their own decision on what level of accountability is acceptable for a source. The lack of a lot of this info being public or even ever requested is the issue.

I believe that’s something we as members are at fault for. There’s some things we can’t control. Like behind the scenes bs. Things we can control is openly vetting sources. If we fail to do so then I think that falls back on us as members. We can’t blame it on secrets or members PMs to why sources wasn’t initially vetted upon arrival, imo.
ALL members here are open and encouraged to vet and ask questions they deem appropriate. If they (we) fail to do so it’s on us while the source slides in. Fortunately by Stan sliding in hasn’t ended in scamming anyone (as of yet). That’s why we need to stay on our toes and not let this kinda thing repeat itself in the future. I think we can all learn from it.

I remember when Stanford arrived. I fogly (just made up that word ) remember reading his intro and actually thinking he came from another board and that’s why he was “private”. Although I don’t remember in detail now, I do recall he only was adding a few customers to his private list and was only accepting bitcoin as payment. Since I knew nothing about bitcoin my interest in him just wasn’t there. So I didn’t follow the thread or care to vet because I knew I’d never use him anyway.
I’d like to think I’ve grown and evolved as a member since then. To not only see what would benefit me, but would also benefit the other members here as well.

I appreciate your posts here as well man. I also like seeing your views on things. I think this is an all around good discussions we are all having that will benefit everyone here. So don’t think I’m looking for a back and forth type thing. I’m all about civil discussions.

 

[bolder]

When did I ever support him find one post and I will cash app you some money! I never bought or supported this guy!

Unless there is another Mighty Mouse get your facts straight cause I never supported him!

Edit

But I can agree on some things u did say.

To summarize, I dropped your name not thinking nor implying that you've ever supported stan. I dropped it on a list of members that are well known and respected at this moment in time here at meso. Guys who can influence based on what they say or do.

Not to speak for BB69 but I think this was what he was referring to. Not that he was meaning you were a Stan supporter lol. Or that’s what I took from his latest post with this reply to Mac I quoted.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

They were guys i had come to know through their posts over time and they were the popular and trusted members of that period.(They are still respected and trusted, they just aren't around as much) Most of those guys aren't around as much, or at all, but they were the popular and trusted guys at that moment.

In my mind, if those guys said he was good they weren't going to risk their good names on some mope who was gonna possibly rip members off.

I think that may be where our current situation is. Most of the guys that filled Stan’s first thread aren’t around, so nobody knows who they are now. For all the newer members know, those guys could have been a group that got free gear to pump a new source up. Tactics that the new guys that came over from ASF or BoP or other source boards have seen employed before. MESO isn’t supposed to give the “g2g” after all.

That’s not the case, but to people unfamiliar, that’s the way it can look.

If I was stan I'd feel as if the Community turned its back on me. I wish he felt like i did at the time of my outing. The Community circled the wagons for me. It meant a lot. I'm sure it means a lot to stan how things have gone, too?

I would imagine Stan probably feels the same exact way as TGI felt when the vets and WKMs turned their backs on him last summer. He was widely accepted as a good source as well. To this regard, MESO is at least being consistent here with Stan.

Consistency is important. Questions need to be asked as additional information comes to light.

I always enjoy reading your posts @biggerben69. They are long, and it’s certainly a commitment, but you provide a ton of valuable information, from both sides. You make valid points, and as such, I’ll bow out of this thread, deferring to your judgement and explanation.

Guys are going to make their own decisions and they should be free to do so. My interests were piqued based on recent events (a new source was pushed out of here based on very similar previous member status). I’m all for consistency and that was my only issue here. I think everyone can agree that it was brought out with little tact, suggesting ulterior motives by @Rapier. I wish Stan well, he doesn’t appear to have many issues but I caution guys continue to do their own reading and make their own decisions.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Also, please produce a post where I supported Stan? I don’t fuck with vetting because I don’t know shit about OPSEC or brewing. I was here because connecting dots was the effort at hand. That was confirmed and no longer an issue.

When did I ever support him find one post and I will cash app you some money! I never bought or supported this guy!

Unless there is another Mighty Mouse get your facts straight cause I never supported him!

Edit

But I can agree on some things u did say.

I think @biggerben69 was making an analogy. The guys that previously vetted Stan a few years back are no longer here, but they carried the same weight as you guys. He's not saying YOU guys supported Stan. Personally, I was flattered.

 

[biggerben69]

Apparently all it takes is a couple years for the “we don’t need sources” Meso slogan to not matter. Or maybe it’s just the sources liked by the “vets” that get this treatment. I was taught my lesson about a source. Seems that lesson was hypocrisy, however.



@mands came in and explained his role and defended himself, not Stanford. Your “vets” showing up to defend a source they literally gave the GTG for 6 pages of his first thread instead of guiding the vetting productively means absolutely nothing. Not to mention calling Stanford a “good guy;” do you know him personally or would you do this for any source who delivered clean product for an extended time?

I don’t fuck with vetting because I don’t know shit about OPSEC or brewing.

"Apparently all it takes is a couple years for the “we don’t need sources” Meso slogan to not matter. Or maybe it’s just the sources liked by the “vets” that get this treatment. I was taught my lesson about a source. Seems that lesson was hypocrisy, however."

Sources are here. Some count on the sources here for all their needs. I don't think I've made clear, but I've never purchased anything from stan. I think its crazy to source here, period.
If a source does to get rolling,,,ok...but 5 months tops and I'm gone. Taking who I can when I go. Being wide out in the open for an extended time is asking for trouble. The first and only source I've bought from at meso was when I picked up an AI from Serono. I've known of him for a number of years. Ask him, he'll tell you the same about me.
I would buy from Pharmacist if ever I needed what he has being an int source....I would purchase from Stan if my go to's weren't around. Thats it.
As a member I use the fact that meso is not a source board to suit me on the regular.

"Not to mention calling Stanford a “good guy;” do you know him personally or would you do this for any source who delivered clean product for an extended time?"


Stan has gone out of his way to help guys out. Yes, talking about his giving of his product. Whether it was cuz he liked the guy or its good advertising it was still an act that helped a member out.
When I returned from studying abroad(when I say dumb shit like this I'm referring to various stays I've had in prison. Not county lock up. Federal Prison) and was getting my feet on the ground, through another member I received a solid cycle of Standford gear that the member bought for me and that stan discounted knowing it was going to be a gift for me. Fits my definition of "good guy"?
Would I say the same about other sources. Sure? Case by case basis.
And, mac, your self deprecating comment about not knowing anything about vetting or OPSEC being your reason for not commenting on such matters?

Your doing a disservice to all involved by not participating on these situations. You're bright and articulate. You've been one of us for some time. You've got good instincts and common sense. Both are needed when vetting, etc.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

I think that may be where our current situation is. Most of the guys that filled Stan’s first thread aren’t around, so nobody knows who they are now. For all the newer members know, those guys could have been a group that got free gear to pump a new source up. Tactics that the new guys that came over from ASF or BoP or other source boards have seen employed before. MESO isn’t supposed to give the “g2g” after all.

That’s not the case, but to people unfamiliar, that’s the way it can look.



I would imagine Stan probably feels the same exact way as TGI felt when the vets and WKMs turned their backs on him last summer. He was widely accepted as a good source as well. To this regard, MESO is at least being consistent here with Stan.

Consistency is important. Questions need to be asked as additional information comes to light.

I always enjoy reading your posts @biggerben69. They are long, and it’s certainly a commitment, but you provide a ton of valuable information, from both sides. You make valid points, and as such, I’ll bow out of this thread, deferring to your judgement and explanation.

Guys are going to make their own decisions and they should be free to do so. My interests were piqued based on recent events (a new source was pushed out of here based on very similar previous member status). I’m all for consistency and that was my only issue here. I think everyone can agree that it was brought out with little tact, suggesting ulterior motives by @Rapier. I wish Stan well, he doesn’t appear to have many issues but I caution guys continue to do their own reading and make their own decisions.

Yeah this is a pretty tough one for me personally.

You all know I'm pretty fucking vocal about vetting and source bashing in general.

I've kinda taken a step back on this one as I..
1. Wasnt around for Stans arrival
2. Pretty torn

He wasnt vetted properly, but hes been consistent for years with no fuck ups

Xkawn certainly knows how to brew and has taught a lot of meso members the ABCs of brewing and safety of brewing

So yeah I'll stay out of this for the most part, that's just my opinion on the whole thing,
Some guys have been asking my opinion in PM and about why I havnt really said much, when I'm usually just going snap show in source threads.

Some positives and negatives here for sure

But I feel like it's not my place to comment too much.

would I like to see a lab set up?
Yes

BUT
I also understand why it might not be suitable and may lead to LE involvement depending on where he got it and what he got, some of the fancier 30k automated set ups are trackable and not purchasable in the U.S, so displaying it could POSSIBLY narrow down @StanfordPharma (Some sort of confirmation would be nice Stan, give us something here)

But this will be about the last stuff I'll say about this situation, because I am pretty torn about it.

 

[lifter6973]

When did I ever support him find one post and I will cash app you some money! I never bought or supported this guy!

Unless there is another Mighty Mouse get your facts straight cause I never supported him!

Edit

But I can agree on some things u did say.

there is another mighty mouse on asf- does that count? I dont know if his liver is as green as yours tho

 

[Mighty-mouse]

there is another mighty mouse on asf- does that count? I dont know if his liver is as green as yours tho

Man I seen that..... then I looked at his new member date and he had me by like 3 days so he the OG I’m just riding his coat tail lol he got so much shit when he started posting

 

[Mighty-mouse]

I think @biggerben69 was making an analogy. The guys that previously vetted Stan a few years back are no longer here, but they carried the same weight as you guys. He's not saying YOU guys supported Stan. Personally, I was flattered.

Yeah @biggerben69 has always been good in my book so I was like wait a min..... if that’s the cas BB I do apologize man it’s early.

Maybe need to up my AI

 

[Silentlemon1011]

I believe that’s something we as members are at fault for. There’s some things we can’t control. Like behind the scenes bs. Things we can control is openly vetting sources. If we fail to do so then I think that falls back on us as members. We can’t blame it on secrets or members PMs to why sources wasn’t initially vetted upon arrival, imo.
ALL members here are open and encouraged to vet and ask questions they deem appropriate. If they (we) fail to do so it’s on us while the source slides in. Fortunately by Stan sliding in hasn’t ended in scamming anyone (as of yet). That’s why we need to stay on our toes and not let this kinda thing repeat itself in the future. I think we can all learn from it.

I remember when Stanford arrived. I fogly (just made up that word ) remember reading his intro and actually thinking he came from another board and that’s why he was “private”. Although I don’t remember in detail now, I do recall he only was adding a few customers to his private list and was only accepting bitcoin as payment. Since I knew nothing about bitcoin my interest in him just wasn’t there. So I didn’t follow the thread or care to vet because I knew I’d never use him anyway.
I’d like to think I’ve grown and evolved as a member since then. To not only see what would benefit me, but would also benefit the other members here as well.

I appreciate your posts here as well man. I also like seeing your views on things. I think this is an all around good discussions we are all having that will benefit everyone here. So don’t think I’m looking for a back and forth type thing. I’m all about civil discussions.

Good to see you back in the trenches.

Weve needed some custom pictures for the dumpster fires and I'm FAR too computer illiterate to do anything other than type with my sausage fingers

 

[wedorecover]

Uh I'm sorry what does your post have to do with my 100% valid point besides deflecting in the name of Stanford as you seem to do. Take photos, remove exif data. I find it funny how you seem upset at such a basic request fulfilled by every lab but your buddy Stan's for some unforseen reason he never had to.

Have you seen his lab? There is really "nothing to figure out" everyone is just asking a question that Stan has sidestepped many times.

The point is dudes been here for how long and only problem Iv ever seen was TA :... and it’s funny all the sudden someone outs him and all these new guys are all over it seems like he’s hurting someone’s pocket is what there more mad about

 

[wedorecover]

Have you personally seen Stanford’s lab set up? From what I hear you are part of the group that originally vetted him in private, so it reasons that you would have Perhaps seen photos of his set up?

I have never seen his full lab no but I have seen a lot of the equipment he uses .... shit there is a brewing bible about him on here .... I mean vet him how ever u guys want ... all I really can say is i don’t run his stuff anymore and it was always good when I did and the dude is a good guy I don’t even use his shit but still talk to him

 

[biggerben69]

When did I ever support him find one post and I will cash app you some money! I never bought or supported this guy!

Unless there is another Mighty Mouse get your facts straight cause I never supported him!

Edit

But I can agree on some things u did say.

I didn't say you or any on the list i made supported Stan. I said the guys who vetted stan back then carried the cred that you and the others i listed carry today. Thats what I meant, anyway.
If a lab showed up today and you and BBBG and the others backed them it would be a big deal.
Thats what it was like when wedo, ryno, and bickel29 backed stan then. Make sense?

 

[jJjburton]

These posts are WAY to long to read.

 

[biggerben69]

These posts are WAY to long to read.

Try typing that mess out...

 

[Savagesteve]

These posts are WAY to long to read.

I bet it’s fun to watch him if he uses his phone to type them out. Think his thumbs look like Phil’s arms?

 

[bolder]

Good to see you back in the trenches.

Weve needed some custom pictures for the dumpster fires and I'm FAR too computer illiterate to do anything other than type with my sausage fingers

Thanks bro! Glad to be back around

How’s this one?



Too soon?

 

[Mighty-mouse]

I didn't say you or any on the list i made supported Stan. I said the guys who vetted stan back then carried the cred that you and the others i listed carry today. Thats what I meant, anyway.
If a lab showed up today and you and BBBG and the others backed them it would be a big deal.
Thats what it was like when wedo, ryno, and bickel29 backed stan then. Make sense?

Yes sir! I just read it wrong like I said that’s my bad

 

[Grab Bag]

I have never seen his full lab no but I have seen a lot of the equipment he uses .... shit there is a brewing bible about him on here .... I mean vet him how ever u guys want ... all I really can say is i don’t run his stuff anymore and it was always good when I did and the dude is a good guy I don’t even use his shit but still talk to him

I wasn’t calling you out, fyi, I was just asking a question. Thanks for clarifying.