As for frank idk man he’s been mia a long time kinda worried he’s dead and as of posting pics of ur lab that’s shit is not so smart .... guys are all about it that only buy gear and don’t have to worry about 10 to 20 in the feds
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muscletrain
Member
Nothing about posting lab photos is identifying for LE....scrub your exit data off the photo. Again makes zero sense for him not to unless it's some double wide trailer lab with an oven.
You got at all figured out man you and almost everyone that liked ur post have been here like for 2 hours .....
Grab Bag
Well-known Member
Have you personally seen Stanford’s lab set up? From what I hear you are part of the group that originally vetted him in private, so it reasons that you would have Perhaps seen photos of his set up?
muscletrain
Member
Uh I'm sorry what does your post have to do with my 100% valid point besides deflecting in the name of Stanford as you seem to do. Take photos, remove exif data. I find it funny how you seem upset at such a basic request fulfilled by every lab but your buddy Stan's for some unforseen reason he never had to.
Have you seen his lab? There is really "nothing to figure out" everyone is just asking a question that Stan has sidestepped many times.
The thing with MESO is that there are far more lurkers and readers than people that post. I put faith in humanity that those readers and lurkers weigh posts on reason, rather than number of years spent here lobbing jabs. I think they do. Don’t get me wrong, newbs can say some fucked up shit and sometimes need to be put in their place. But when they post a reasonable point or request, it comes through loud and clear.
You’ve made a lot of very reasonable posts that carry credibility. That’s what matters the most here.
muscletrain
Member
Oh I 100% understood when I started lobbing stuff I would and have gotten the whole you're relatively new here. But like you said look at my history and you'll see every post is typically logical. I mean on the Canadian board my reg date is 2013 but I don't think forum reg dates mean Jack shit. It's just a deflection Imo.
I still only see the main issue with all this is what I thought I was gonna be reading when I read the other thread. That a member here was also a source. Which is NOT ok!
That wasn’t what that thread was about though. Was that clickbait? If so, it got me to read
Then I see it was more than that. It was claims of Stan being vetted behind the scenes, whatever the hell that means
and then just piling shit on...
Like I stated in the other thread, if he wasn’t vetted in the Meso way then that’s our fault as members of this community. I’m not sure how anyone can blame Stan for that?
As member Xkawn he shared knowledge he has in the brewing section and to my knowledge was well respected in doing so. But now we question his abilities?
Now do we consider @Mighty-mouse vetting Stan through PM because Stan showed proof of what MM was asking for? Personally I don’t think so.
Don’t get me wrong I’m glad that guys are in here questioning this source to keep some accountability. It’s where it should be done so that the members that may only read this thread become informed.
I’m still not entirely sure why certain things are being asked from Stan when the only issues I’m aware of are his slow T/As and him having an active member handle while sourcing?
I know he was questioned about refiltering semi-finished from PPL and now provided some proof that he has Raws on hand.
I’m all for running these shit sources out of here when they scam, have multiple fuck ups, or are just plain shitty but why are the pitchforks out with Stan again?
Please someone explain it to me. I must be slow, so explain it at a 2nd grade level
I mean, I have a set of pitchforks (ones a spare
) that I’ll happily bring both out, but as of now I can’t bring myself to do so...
Help me help you
Oh... and if anyone thinks I’m “sticking up” for Stan or any source here you have me greatly mistaken. As long as we accept sources being here we at least have to be fair when keeping them accountable.
That wasn’t what that thread was about though. Was that clickbait? If so, it got me to read
Then I see it was more than that. It was claims of Stan being vetted behind the scenes, whatever the hell that means
and then just piling shit on...
Like I stated in the other thread, if he wasn’t vetted in the Meso way then that’s our fault as members of this community. I’m not sure how anyone can blame Stan for that?
As member Xkawn he shared knowledge he has in the brewing section and to my knowledge was well respected in doing so. But now we question his abilities?
Now do we consider @Mighty-mouse vetting Stan through PM because Stan showed proof of what MM was asking for? Personally I don’t think so.
Don’t get me wrong I’m glad that guys are in here questioning this source to keep some accountability. It’s where it should be done so that the members that may only read this thread become informed.
I’m still not entirely sure why certain things are being asked from Stan when the only issues I’m aware of are his slow T/As and him having an active member handle while sourcing?
I know he was questioned about refiltering semi-finished from PPL and now provided some proof that he has Raws on hand.
I’m all for running these shit sources out of here when they scam, have multiple fuck ups, or are just plain shitty but why are the pitchforks out with Stan again?
Please someone explain it to me. I must be slow, so explain it at a 2nd grade level
I mean, I have a set of pitchforks (ones a spare
) that I’ll happily bring both out, but as of now I can’t bring myself to do so...Help me help you
Oh... and if anyone thinks I’m “sticking up” for Stan or any source here you have me greatly mistaken. As long as we accept sources being here we at least have to be fair when keeping them accountable.
muscletrain
Member
I still only see the main issue with all this is what I thought I was gonna be reading when I read the other thread. That a member here was also a source. Which is NOT ok!
That wasn’t what that thread was about though. Was that clickbait? If so, it got me to read
Then I see it was more than that. It was claims of Stan being vetted behind the scenes, whatever the hell that means
and then just piling shit on...
Like I stated in the other thread, if he wasn’t vetted in the Meso way then that’s our fault as members of this community. I’m not sure how anyone can blame Stan for that?
As member Xkawn he shared knowledge he has in the brewing section and to my knowledge was well respected in doing so. But now we question his abilities?
Now do we consider @Mighty-mouse vetting Stan through PM because Stan showed proof of what MM was asking for? Personally I don’t think so.
Don’t get me wrong I’m glad that guys are in here questioning this source to keep some accountability. It’s where it should be done so that the members that may only read this thread become informed.
I’m still not entirely sure why certain things are being asked from Stan when the only issues I’m aware of are his slow T/As and him having an active member handle while sourcing?
I know he was questioned about refiltering semi-finished from PPL and now provided some proof that he has Raws on hand.
I’m all for running these shit sources out of here when they scam, have multiple fuck ups, or are just plain shitty but why are the pitchforks out with Stan again?
Please someone explain it to me. I must be slow, so explain it at a 2nd grade level
I mean, I have a set of pitchforks (ones a spare
Help me help you
Oh... and if anyone thinks I’m “sticking up” for Stan or any source here you have me greatly mistaken. As long as we accept sources being here we at least have to be fair when keeping them accountable.
It comes down to him literally saying it's too late for vetting and just completely avoiding the question of why he can't post his lab setup like everyone else especially with the rumor of filtering Ppl stuff. 100% understand your pov of he's provided an adequate service but no source should be above the rules of Meso tbh. Shut the haters up and post your lab or clearly something is off. Don't say Ur too lazy to get in your car to take photos.
Basically I left it at this: if you show up in this thread saying you're back in business it means
A) you're back at the lab
B) for some reason you still won't post photos of the lab setup and or explain why you won't
Makes zero sense to me and it also starts lending credence to either filtering or your lab is gonna catch you so much heat on how bad it is you would rather not post it.
To me it's just basic logic now, don't say it's a security issue or your lab is too far, or its rainy today.
Mighty-mouse
Well-known Member
I still only see the main issue with all this is what I thought I was gonna be reading when I read the other thread. That a member here was also a source. Which is NOT ok!
That wasn’t what that thread was about though. Was that clickbait? If so, it got me to read
Then I see it was more than that. It was claims of Stan being vetted behind the scenes, whatever the hell that means
and then just piling shit on...
Like I stated in the other thread, if he wasn’t vetted in the Meso way then that’s our fault as members of this community. I’m not sure how anyone can blame Stan for that?
As member Xkawn he shared knowledge he has in the brewing section and to my knowledge was well respected in doing so. But now we question his abilities?
Now do we consider @Mighty-mouse vetting Stan through PM because Stan showed proof of what MM was asking for? Personally I don’t think so.
Don’t get me wrong I’m glad that guys are in here questioning this source to keep some accountability. It’s where it should be done so that the members that may only read this thread become informed.
I’m still not entirely sure why certain things are being asked from Stan when the only issues I’m aware of are his slow T/As and him having an active member handle while sourcing?
I know he was questioned about refiltering semi-finished from PPL and now provided some proof that he has Raws on hand.
I’m all for running these shit sources out of here when they scam, have multiple fuck ups, or are just plain shitty but why are the pitchforks out with Stan again?
Please someone explain it to me. I must be slow, so explain it at a 2nd grade level
I mean, I have a set of pitchforks (ones a spare
Help me help you
Oh... and if anyone thinks I’m “sticking up” for Stan or any source here you have me greatly mistaken. As long as we accept sources being here we at least have to be fair when keeping them accountable.
Do not take my message as me vetting him. I asked for a pic and he produced a pic. I was letting everyone know he sent me a pic of raws. In no way was I vetting him I just wanted clarification on the half brewed shit he received before.
I don’t vouch for any lab and believe the vetting process should continuously take place regardless the amount of time a source has been in business. That’s only way we can TRY to keep them honest.
If he wants to continue here it would be in his best interest to answer questions from the members.
MisterSuperGod
Well-known Member
i just assume that when labs refuse to show pics of their setup It's because they aren't very proud of what they're working with and/or they know they'll get ripped apart for what they show.
Big Bear was a good example. His slow drip, jerry rigged syringe filter setup with an open vial collecting dust, hair and god knows what else from the air was a real eye opener.
muscletrain
Member
I'm open to another reason why photos wouldn't and shouldn't be posted and fully agree stan's post history indicates he's brewing at a minimum for like 14 years I would assume the setup is sweet. Let's see that sexy fume hood and lab coat.
Above the rules? What rules are you speaking of? To my knowledge there’s no forced rules a source has to follow here. It’s simply just members suggestions to these sources so we can help inform fellow members and lurkers to make the best decision when they’re considering a source. If a source complies or not is up to them but does make it look a hell of a lot better if they do lol.
It appears as if some are saying that if Stan posts lab pics it will either make it or break it for him here. From the other thread and everything that was said in it, that’s where we’re at? A lab pic away from him being credible? (Both ? are rhetorical but feel free to respond if you want lol).
I’d have to say that him having been here the length that he has with minimal issues (Up to this point) has to count for something. Without him having contamination issues or any issues on quality I can’t understand the push for pic requests at this time.
I do appreciate your posts and think we need more members like you holding these sources to a higher standard though.
Although I can’t get behind the justifications in this instance and at this point in time, doesn’t mean I’m trying to stop you or anyone else from asking sources questions, holding them accountable, or putting out their point of views. As long as it’s for the betterment of our Meso community then that’s really all that matters to me personally, because that’s all I’m doing here as well is stating my point of view.
In no way do I believe you were vetting or vouching for him bro. I was just pointing out how stupid (to me) “being vetted behind the scenes” sounds like
.I put it out there to see if that’s what was considered behind the scenes vetting would be like because to me if vetting isn’t done in the open then it’s our fault as members of this community... hope that makes more sense man
I've been here, and several other boards, for a good long while. I don't know if I'm going to get what I'm trying to say across to you all.
I like how meso goes about the business of vetting. I do.
However, its all right out in the open, for all to see...everyone. The questions we ask and things we demand, on a google indexed forum, has got to make any member of LE shake their heads in disbelief. It has to be taken as arrogance × 10. The sources here, and the members who order from them are basically telling LE to "get fucked". We're gonna do what we do and couldn't care less about laws and those given the job to enforce them.
As members, I've read several times, as of late, that LE isn't going to go after the guy ordering his cycle. Guys say they want the source.
As a source, that reads that members for sure aren't looking out for sources, at all. That responsibility rests squarely on the source and his OPSEC.
We make no bones about it, either. We're about the members and holding sources accountable.
We, myself included, rip boards like promuscle, eroids, ology, and others(bop, olm) as places that look out for sources first, by giving them mod privileges over their own threads, and who will ban members for bringing up past truths of scamming and things like customers contracting cellulitis etc in groups from certain batches or products.
Then there are boards that are open to all but have secret forums open only to select members. Those private forums are where sources are located and available for use by those select vip or vet or Gold, etc members. Those members will not speak about those forums in the open to all forums. They'll be banned for doing so.
The sources on those boards had been vetted by either the board owner or staff and we trusted the process...albeit blindly, for the most part.
The threads are not controlled by the sources there. The sources there are considered friends of the Community. If there are issues they are, for the most part, worked out and everyone goes home happy.
The thing with these boards is that the vip members with access to the private forums are pretty much the same core group of guys and the same 2 or 3 female members.
New vip's are nominated for promotion and vetted before given the promotion.
I would see the same guys in the private forums over the years. The same sources would be seen across those boards.
There is a limited amount of $$ those sources can make. Those sources are competing for the vip's $$. They aren't getting rich but they are protected by not being out for all to see. I can think of a couple of sources who started out in those private forums who have stayed there and to this day have accepted the limit as far as income from sourcing and remain indictment free.
Many went down when ORD hit. But there are 2 i know of who survived and who are still here.
Those vip members are aging. Many have died.
When the Underground opened in 2012(think thats right?) I was a member of boards that had private forums. I spent a lot of time riding the sources that came to meso in those days.
Vetting has evolved. Become more organized.
Guys who were smarter than I was came up with the Source Code of Conduct.
Back then I worked off instinct and connections. I could smell bullshit most of the time and knew/know a lot of members from the Community and sources as well. I'd get pm's and emails from guys who had info or had dealt with some who would show up here and would fill me in.
I remember when Stan first started his thread. I believe I had just returned from a period of isolation without an internet connection when i saw this new source offering members the chance to be put on his private customer list if they bought a certain # of discounted vials of Tren Ace.
Sounded a bit fucked to me and I made a post saying so. I don't remember exactly what I said but recall my post going against the grain of feel good stuff that had been posted so far.
A couple of guys who have now been labeled as the members who did his vetting in private made posts in response to mine telling me they had been customers of stans for some time and that he had done them right.
They were guys i had come to know through their posts over time and they were the popular and trusted members of that period.(They are still respected and trusted, they just aren't around as much)
Most of those guys aren't around as much, or at all, but they were the popular and trusted guys at that moment.
Stans supporters then were the BBBG, MisterSuperGod, mightymouse, amtont, mac11 and Oldschool(just to name a few of the popular guys today) of that time.
I liked and trusted those guys and posted that stan had some big names backing him, wished him well, and moved on to the next source that needed attention.
In my mind, if those guys said he was good they weren't going to risk their good names on some mope who was gonna possibly rip members off.
And lo and behold...Stan's turned out to be the best meso has to offer, period. He's well past the usual shelf life of what a good source's life expectancy is. He had some TA issues, ok. After 3 plus years he has to be viewed as extraordinary. Does he not?
I was curious as to who Stan was prior to opening. I honestly don't remember who filled me in but I've known he was Xkawn from the beginning. It didn't mean much to me because I don't think I've ever made a post in the home brew forum. Its not my thing.
If anything, those wkm's backing him put more performance pressure on him as opposed to being an unknown. Those guys backing him would be the first to sink his fucking ship if he fucked up. I believe that. Why? Because I've been in the position of giving praise and backing a source who later turned out to have issues. I took it personally and led the charge to bury the source.
Meso is great. Its not perfect and I'm not above using tactics and engaging in behavior that meso "purists" and my friend Millard would find reprehensible and outside the rules. But as I've posted many times, I don't believe the rules should apply to me...and to some others.
What we do here is illegal. I cannot survive and live in the free world and live how I want to live by following all the rules society has laid out. The same applies to meso...in my not so humble opinion.
Meso has a large membership. Meso is google indexed. LE is present.
When those 2 pieces of garbage bigmills aka cakedup and ninjaturtle007 aka Tone were here trolling..placing orders with multiple sources and trying to find a member with aspirations of manufacturing aas by giving away a hi volume capsule device...what do you think they were doing?
They were operating under the eye of their handlers. Doing what LE does on the deep web.
LE places orders regularly on the Deep Web with vendors selling narcotics, guns, aas and wait for the ones with weak OPSEC or for a mistake to be made that ID's that vendor. When it happens, and it does..they take that opening and exploit it. They make an arrest.
A friend of mine I did time with previously is serving a 5 yr sentence right now at FCI Sheridan. I put $40 on his books last week.
Oxymonster...a mod on Dream Market and other places was busted by the feds. My friend was friendly with him and made the mistake of making some part of his identity(or all of it?) known to oxymonster. He cooperated with the feds and my friend was one of the casualties.
Those vendors unknowingly ship to LE and are ok...until they aren't. A vendor forgot to turn on his VPN before using the tracking system on usps.gov to check on a late pkg he shipped. That mistake sealed his fate. His IP address was captured and forever linked to the pkg of narcotics he shipped. He was indicted and the Jamaican born vendor was sentenced to 9 yrs in federal prison.
That's the kind of shit sources here have to deal with. A few of Optis customers got the knock. One admitted to ordering a pack he claimed came from Naps. His home was then searched and he was arrested based on what the search produced.
Its a shitty feeling when the walls start to close in.
If I was stan I would've made an appearance in this thread and told everyone that i'm not answering any questions nor producing any pics or proof of anything. I'd thank rapier for posting openly what was known by many privately.
I'd consider rapier a rat..and he may be someone i have been friendly with but as as stan has put years of honest service in, he's being treated the same way we treat the Hammers of this world...and its just not right.
Most guys reading this won't be here in a year. How is it they can be allowed to crucify a source who has put in work for so many.
Meso and the rules are here for a reason. Who in the fuck said they shouldn't be bent, broken, or simply done away with when circumstances call for it?
I'm gonna catch hell for this but its time we grow up.
As far as who decides when members and sources can be allowed to skirt rules that are either written or implied? Probably the most popular, trusted, and visible members of any particular moment in time. Those members should take into account what the top guys of the era in question and the decisions they made.
It won't stop what rogue members like rapier post. But it will not make the light shine as bright as it is shining on one of the good ones.
If we were a board of baseball card collectors with vendors sticking steadfastly to each rule is easy. There isn't prison to consider.
If the argument is that the rules and codes wont mean as much or any argument having to do with fairness to other sources well what we do is illegal. There are times and situations that call for measures to be taken that are outside the norm.
I wish stan had gotten more support. I saw wedo and mands speak up for stan. There were a couple of others...but there should've been more. And let me say...if you see mands speaking up for someone or something, I'm probably going to defer to him. There are times and people who should be given the right of way. When dealing with laws and prison rules and codes should be used as guides..not the end all last word. Schedule 3 and prison. Its a Brotherhood and subculture frowned upon by most. There are those looking to put good sources and good men like stan in prison for serving you. They aren't trying to hurt his income..they want to lock him up.
I was "outed" by a well known member who i mistakenly thought expected my pm. He put me on blast. Started a thread cursing me for offering my services..at the time i offered Serostim and some other human grade things. He wasn't a noob. I got all kinds of support. I was one of the "In" guys at the time. That was 2016. I no longer in the biz. At the time i was wanted as well as a trusted member. Every situation should be looked at when we're talking about freedom and what a person means to the Community.
If I was stan I'd feel as if the Community turned its back on me. I wish he felt like i did at the time of my outing. The Community circled the wagons for me. It meant a lot. I'm sure it means a lot to stan how things have gone, too?
I like how meso goes about the business of vetting. I do.
However, its all right out in the open, for all to see...everyone. The questions we ask and things we demand, on a google indexed forum, has got to make any member of LE shake their heads in disbelief. It has to be taken as arrogance × 10. The sources here, and the members who order from them are basically telling LE to "get fucked". We're gonna do what we do and couldn't care less about laws and those given the job to enforce them.
As members, I've read several times, as of late, that LE isn't going to go after the guy ordering his cycle. Guys say they want the source.
As a source, that reads that members for sure aren't looking out for sources, at all. That responsibility rests squarely on the source and his OPSEC.
We make no bones about it, either. We're about the members and holding sources accountable.
We, myself included, rip boards like promuscle, eroids, ology, and others(bop, olm) as places that look out for sources first, by giving them mod privileges over their own threads, and who will ban members for bringing up past truths of scamming and things like customers contracting cellulitis etc in groups from certain batches or products.
Then there are boards that are open to all but have secret forums open only to select members. Those private forums are where sources are located and available for use by those select vip or vet or Gold, etc members. Those members will not speak about those forums in the open to all forums. They'll be banned for doing so.
The sources on those boards had been vetted by either the board owner or staff and we trusted the process...albeit blindly, for the most part.
The threads are not controlled by the sources there. The sources there are considered friends of the Community. If there are issues they are, for the most part, worked out and everyone goes home happy.
The thing with these boards is that the vip members with access to the private forums are pretty much the same core group of guys and the same 2 or 3 female members.
New vip's are nominated for promotion and vetted before given the promotion.
I would see the same guys in the private forums over the years. The same sources would be seen across those boards.
There is a limited amount of $$ those sources can make. Those sources are competing for the vip's $$. They aren't getting rich but they are protected by not being out for all to see. I can think of a couple of sources who started out in those private forums who have stayed there and to this day have accepted the limit as far as income from sourcing and remain indictment free.
Many went down when ORD hit. But there are 2 i know of who survived and who are still here.
Those vip members are aging. Many have died.
When the Underground opened in 2012(think thats right?) I was a member of boards that had private forums. I spent a lot of time riding the sources that came to meso in those days.
Vetting has evolved. Become more organized.
Guys who were smarter than I was came up with the Source Code of Conduct.
Back then I worked off instinct and connections. I could smell bullshit most of the time and knew/know a lot of members from the Community and sources as well. I'd get pm's and emails from guys who had info or had dealt with some who would show up here and would fill me in.
I remember when Stan first started his thread. I believe I had just returned from a period of isolation without an internet connection when i saw this new source offering members the chance to be put on his private customer list if they bought a certain # of discounted vials of Tren Ace.
Sounded a bit fucked to me and I made a post saying so. I don't remember exactly what I said but recall my post going against the grain of feel good stuff that had been posted so far.
A couple of guys who have now been labeled as the members who did his vetting in private made posts in response to mine telling me they had been customers of stans for some time and that he had done them right.
They were guys i had come to know through their posts over time and they were the popular and trusted members of that period.(They are still respected and trusted, they just aren't around as much)
Most of those guys aren't around as much, or at all, but they were the popular and trusted guys at that moment.
Stans supporters then were the BBBG, MisterSuperGod, mightymouse, amtont, mac11 and Oldschool(just to name a few of the popular guys today) of that time.
I liked and trusted those guys and posted that stan had some big names backing him, wished him well, and moved on to the next source that needed attention.
In my mind, if those guys said he was good they weren't going to risk their good names on some mope who was gonna possibly rip members off.
And lo and behold...Stan's turned out to be the best meso has to offer, period. He's well past the usual shelf life of what a good source's life expectancy is. He had some TA issues, ok. After 3 plus years he has to be viewed as extraordinary. Does he not?
I was curious as to who Stan was prior to opening. I honestly don't remember who filled me in but I've known he was Xkawn from the beginning. It didn't mean much to me because I don't think I've ever made a post in the home brew forum. Its not my thing.
If anything, those wkm's backing him put more performance pressure on him as opposed to being an unknown. Those guys backing him would be the first to sink his fucking ship if he fucked up. I believe that. Why? Because I've been in the position of giving praise and backing a source who later turned out to have issues. I took it personally and led the charge to bury the source.
Meso is great. Its not perfect and I'm not above using tactics and engaging in behavior that meso "purists" and my friend Millard would find reprehensible and outside the rules. But as I've posted many times, I don't believe the rules should apply to me...and to some others.
What we do here is illegal. I cannot survive and live in the free world and live how I want to live by following all the rules society has laid out. The same applies to meso...in my not so humble opinion.
Meso has a large membership. Meso is google indexed. LE is present.
When those 2 pieces of garbage bigmills aka cakedup and ninjaturtle007 aka Tone were here trolling..placing orders with multiple sources and trying to find a member with aspirations of manufacturing aas by giving away a hi volume capsule device...what do you think they were doing?
They were operating under the eye of their handlers. Doing what LE does on the deep web.
LE places orders regularly on the Deep Web with vendors selling narcotics, guns, aas and wait for the ones with weak OPSEC or for a mistake to be made that ID's that vendor. When it happens, and it does..they take that opening and exploit it. They make an arrest.
A friend of mine I did time with previously is serving a 5 yr sentence right now at FCI Sheridan. I put $40 on his books last week.
Oxymonster...a mod on Dream Market and other places was busted by the feds. My friend was friendly with him and made the mistake of making some part of his identity(or all of it?) known to oxymonster. He cooperated with the feds and my friend was one of the casualties.
Those vendors unknowingly ship to LE and are ok...until they aren't. A vendor forgot to turn on his VPN before using the tracking system on usps.gov to check on a late pkg he shipped. That mistake sealed his fate. His IP address was captured and forever linked to the pkg of narcotics he shipped. He was indicted and the Jamaican born vendor was sentenced to 9 yrs in federal prison.
That's the kind of shit sources here have to deal with. A few of Optis customers got the knock. One admitted to ordering a pack he claimed came from Naps. His home was then searched and he was arrested based on what the search produced.
Its a shitty feeling when the walls start to close in.
If I was stan I would've made an appearance in this thread and told everyone that i'm not answering any questions nor producing any pics or proof of anything. I'd thank rapier for posting openly what was known by many privately.
I'd consider rapier a rat..and he may be someone i have been friendly with but as as stan has put years of honest service in, he's being treated the same way we treat the Hammers of this world...and its just not right.
Most guys reading this won't be here in a year. How is it they can be allowed to crucify a source who has put in work for so many.
Meso and the rules are here for a reason. Who in the fuck said they shouldn't be bent, broken, or simply done away with when circumstances call for it?
I'm gonna catch hell for this but its time we grow up.
As far as who decides when members and sources can be allowed to skirt rules that are either written or implied? Probably the most popular, trusted, and visible members of any particular moment in time. Those members should take into account what the top guys of the era in question and the decisions they made.
It won't stop what rogue members like rapier post. But it will not make the light shine as bright as it is shining on one of the good ones.
If we were a board of baseball card collectors with vendors sticking steadfastly to each rule is easy. There isn't prison to consider.
If the argument is that the rules and codes wont mean as much or any argument having to do with fairness to other sources well what we do is illegal. There are times and situations that call for measures to be taken that are outside the norm.
I wish stan had gotten more support. I saw wedo and mands speak up for stan. There were a couple of others...but there should've been more. And let me say...if you see mands speaking up for someone or something, I'm probably going to defer to him. There are times and people who should be given the right of way. When dealing with laws and prison rules and codes should be used as guides..not the end all last word. Schedule 3 and prison. Its a Brotherhood and subculture frowned upon by most. There are those looking to put good sources and good men like stan in prison for serving you. They aren't trying to hurt his income..they want to lock him up.
I was "outed" by a well known member who i mistakenly thought expected my pm. He put me on blast. Started a thread cursing me for offering my services..at the time i offered Serostim and some other human grade things. He wasn't a noob. I got all kinds of support. I was one of the "In" guys at the time. That was 2016. I no longer in the biz. At the time i was wanted as well as a trusted member. Every situation should be looked at when we're talking about freedom and what a person means to the Community.
If I was stan I'd feel as if the Community turned its back on me. I wish he felt like i did at the time of my outing. The Community circled the wagons for me. It meant a lot. I'm sure it means a lot to stan how things have gone, too?
I'll co-sign this post. I'll use Stanny again once he gets his feet back under him.
Apparently all it takes is a couple years for the “we don’t need sources” Meso slogan to not matter. Or maybe it’s just the sources liked by the “vets” that get this treatment. I was taught my lesson about a source. Seems that lesson was hypocrisy, however.
Anything being known privately has been a risk to all who don’t know. A source having an active handle is an issue of its own, nevermind the possible presence of identifying info on that prior handle (which some members who’ve looked seemed concerned about). The lack of desire to at all settle some easily soothed nerves with a few quick photos is literally saying “the rules don’t apply to me.”
“why should we do it now” sounds like there’s some magical window of vetting. Everyone here has agreed that his success is a relevant indicator, unlike most sources. Just send the photos and shut everyone up.
@mands came in and explained his role and defended himself, not Stanford. Your “vets” showing up to defend a source they literally gave the GTG for 6 pages of his first thread instead of guiding the vetting productively means absolutely nothing. Not to mention calling Stanford a “good guy;” do you know him personally or would you do this for any source who delivered clean product for an extended time?
Also, please produce a post where I supported Stan? I don’t fuck with vetting because I don’t know shit about OPSEC or brewing. I was here because connecting dots was the effort at hand. That was confirmed and no longer an issue.
I will concede that your consistency of not wanting to see sources go down and be jailed, even ones you didn’t like, is admirable. None of this is to try and get Stan popped. And posting some exif-free photos of a lab setup only a couple people should’ve ever seen shouldn’t be risking LE issues. On the other hand, Stan knew he had a second handle with apparent risky info out there and became a public source anyways...
If anything in here wasn’t factual, please tell me?
Anything being known privately has been a risk to all who don’t know. A source having an active handle is an issue of its own, nevermind the possible presence of identifying info on that prior handle (which some members who’ve looked seemed concerned about). The lack of desire to at all settle some easily soothed nerves with a few quick photos is literally saying “the rules don’t apply to me.”
“why should we do it now” sounds like there’s some magical window of vetting. Everyone here has agreed that his success is a relevant indicator, unlike most sources. Just send the photos and shut everyone up.
@mands came in and explained his role and defended himself, not Stanford. Your “vets” showing up to defend a source they literally gave the GTG for 6 pages of his first thread instead of guiding the vetting productively means absolutely nothing. Not to mention calling Stanford a “good guy;” do you know him personally or would you do this for any source who delivered clean product for an extended time?
Also, please produce a post where I supported Stan? I don’t fuck with vetting because I don’t know shit about OPSEC or brewing. I was here because connecting dots was the effort at hand. That was confirmed and no longer an issue.
I will concede that your consistency of not wanting to see sources go down and be jailed, even ones you didn’t like, is admirable. None of this is to try and get Stan popped. And posting some exif-free photos of a lab setup only a couple people should’ve ever seen shouldn’t be risking LE issues. On the other hand, Stan knew he had a second handle with apparent risky info out there and became a public source anyways...
If anything in here wasn’t factual, please tell me?
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You’re free to order from whoever you want at any time. Having the information to do so intelligently is all this majority of the post was after. Rapier’s intent obviously wasn’t genuine. That doesn’t make his info irrelevant.
We don’t need sources here. We’d be fine here as members just the same. We could discuss sources in general and life would go on and so would Meso. Seeing they are here, because as a community we allow it, should also mean to show fairness as we try to keep them accountable.
I had no idea Xkawn was Stan until reading the other thread. I’m not in the PM vetting gang I suppose
I agree that members shouldn’t stay active when becoming a source. Too much conflict of interest and potential shadiness. There’s no way we can really know though but if someone does figure it out should they blast that member to possibly put their personal identity out there and be able tie them in with illegal activity? What real good can come from doing that?
It’s not the point of soothing nerves. It’s that the ones wanting their nerves soothed is asking this for no apparent reason. To prove Stan has no issues with quality, when in fact there’s been no issues with his quality and reasons why he needs to prove it.
It doesn’t seem fair for a source to have to prove he doesn’t have issues when he doesn’t have issues. Make sense?
If members have proof a sources Opsec has leaks that can harm himself and fellow members then they need to specifically point it out to inform others. This way they can decide if they believe it’s safe or not.
Clearly it’s up to Stan to do so or not. There’s no magic vetting window and sources should be held accountable for their mistakes throughout their stay here. I don’t see how this is considered holding him accountable though. Just my opinion
It doesn’t matter to me when whomever says a source is good to go. Whether it be WKM or newbies I take it all with a grain of salt. I base my decisions on the information I read and put together. That’s what I also try to advise others to do as well. Most guys on here say the same as I in this regard. Read, read, and read so you can make your own decision and not rely on others to make it for you.
Personally I think what’s fair is fair. I don’t know Stan personally, but if it were any other source with the same record and same chain of events occurring I would have to think my perspective would be the same.
To each their own. Everyone’s able to make their own decision on what level of accountability is acceptable for a source. The lack of a lot of this info being public or even ever requested is the issue.We don’t need sources here. We’d be fine here as members just the same. We could discuss sources in general and life would go on and so would Meso. Seeing they are here, because as a community we allow it, should also mean to show fairness as we try to keep them accountable.
I had no idea Xkawn was Stan until reading the other thread. I’m not in the PM vetting gang I suppose
I agree that members shouldn’t stay active when becoming a source. Too much conflict of interest and potential shadiness. There’s no way we can really know though but if someone does figure it out should they blast that member to possibly put their personal identity out there and be able tie them in with illegal activity? What real good can come from doing that?
It’s not the point of soothing nerves. It’s that the ones wanting their nerves soothed is asking this for no apparent reason. To prove Stan has no issues with quality, when in fact there’s been no issues with his quality and reasons why he needs to prove it.
It doesn’t seem fair for a source to have to prove he doesn’t have issues when he doesn’t have issues. Make sense?
If members have proof a sources Opsec has leaks that can harm himself and fellow members then they need to specifically point it out to inform others. This way they can decide if they believe it’s safe or not.
Clearly it’s up to Stan to do so or not. There’s no magic vetting window and sources should be held accountable for their mistakes throughout their stay here. I don’t see how this is considered holding him accountable though. Just my opinion
It doesn’t matter to me when whomever says a source is good to go. Whether it be WKM or newbies I take it all with a grain of salt. I base my decisions on the information I read and put together. That’s what I also try to advise others to do as well. Most guys on here say the same as I in this regard. Read, read, and read so you can make your own decision and not rely on others to make it for you.
Personally I think what’s fair is fair. I don’t know Stan personally, but if it were any other source with the same record and same chain of events occurring I would have to think my perspective would be the same.
Funny...i made that short list of members...I was 1 word into my next sentence and your name popped into my head. I added your name at that point. Real quick I thought "What members come to mind first when I hear meso"...and it was those members I listed and then you, this time when I heard "meso". Later today there may be a different name in the list.
The only reason I dropped your name is because though we got off to a rough start in co-existing, I've come to appreciate your presence at meso. A measure of respect I've found based on merit alone. The physique speaks for itself. Your experience of taking diet and training deep into live contest prep pays your way 'round here in my mind.
When we first crossed paths I was catching heat from a few angles. I was trying to throw it back as well. I had never heard of you and you weren't where my focus was.
Outside of first impressions you seem like a decent guy? Plus what you bring to the table is strong.
To summarize, I dropped your name not thinking nor implying that you've ever supported stan. I dropped it on a list of members that are well known and respected at this moment in time here at meso. Guys who can influence based on what they say or do.
Now, your questions...you may not have been directing your attention towards me when you used "hypocrisy" in your post? If I can't say I've earned that one, but if you've seen me befit it, I'll own it. But you must be thinking of some other asshole. I don't much give a shit. I shoot from the hip. If I feel or believe something and I wanna discuss it or speak on it I do. If at first glance I'm showing symptoms and signs of being a hypocrite I'm gonna look at each situation as it stands on its own. I'd rather get it right and change my position than continue making the wrong call. However, I can't think of anything. It's ok to not be right all the time.
I've known mands a long time. We all can take what we want from something. I took the posts mands made in the thread as saying he doesn't have an issue with stans existence here. He was ok with how the men at meso at that time received stans entrance. He was there.
His posts were in stark contrast to the smart mouthed posts made by fly by nighter members talking shit about someone who has made relationships with guys here. He's the top source at meso and has been for some time. Its something? Not like the biggest mouths in this thread. Most are unknown with their members light already fading. They won't be remembered in 2 months.(Not talking about mac)
These new members might make posts that make sense logically, but we're not short on smart members to post about one of our own. Who the fuck is whatever his handle is to tell us how we should feel about stan...or anyone or anything meso? He keeps running his mouth jumping to stans other thread thinking what he has to say is important to members? He thinks he's found an audience. I could be talking about a couple of members. You figure it out who i refer to.
What did I miss, mac? We're gonna do this shit again?
