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[Logan44551]

Anyone run Stan's DHB/test cyp mix? How's the pip?

 

[Noezday7]

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[Spike Man]

I understand where you are coming from but with AAS, especially orals. Would you not disagree that monitoring liver and kidney values would be beneficial to see how your body reacts? Especially in larger doses.

Some people like myself won't have any elevation, some others may have ast/alt in triple digits.


I believe that if we did have an abnormal liver function that many of us would abandon the cycle as the first route of action. Or atleast the orals and recheck in a few weeks.

As you would know there are some drugs that may agree with us more than others and atleast it would give us an idea if we should stay away. Markers from tren, boldenone, and the orals are the first that would come to mind.


Side note: also have a unique reaction to testosterone that results in an elevated platelets count over hemoglobin. I probably do need to get a soluble transferring receptor test but I am hesitant to drop the money for it/report it to my PCP right now.

There are no absolutes when it comes to healthcare and you shouldn't be doing something like AAS cycling if you aren't well-researched and knowledgable of all of the consequences, risks, and benefits and spend time learning the proper ways to administer the compounds, etc. Additionally, I wouldn't even think about starting a cycle until you are mature enough and have the foundational knowledge to know when you should seek out help from a medical professional.

I understand where you are coming from, but as I have mentioned a few times prior to this - you should already have baseline labs for reference well before starting a cycle. If you are going to be starting a cycle and you will be taking Dbol for example, then you could justifiably have your liver function tested half-way through completing the Dbol. However, labs such as lipids have no real place in the acute setting unless you have some serious problems with your body itself. Cycles should only last maybe 5-16 weeks depending on the cycle. Following the 16-week cycle it is highly recommended to do PCT and not start another cycle for another 7-9 months following your PCT ( my rule of thumb is to take a break that is at least equal to the duration of your cycle + PCT). By the time you start your next cycle it would have been nearly a year and you could justifiably have your routine labs re-drawn and still provide value from the results. Does that make sense at all? Let me know if it doesn't.

That was a typo, it meant to say then dont get just your test checked, as in get all major markers checked as regularly as economically viable.

Also you are a dick, and have a very finite scope of what people should and shouldnt do in the most general sense, which i imagine comes from those 2 letters you write after your name.

Telling people to get regular panels and lipids more than once per year is hardly medical and this is an open forum so i'll kindly post whatever the fuck i want and i encourage you to keep being a cunt.

Ruxin32424, you have been here for less than 2-months and you are already a subject matter expert and much more knowledgeable than anyone on this forum, so for that I applaud you.

First of all, you are telling me, of all people that I have a FINITE scope...good lord, buddy I would hate to know what you think of yourself if that's how you're going to describe a physician's recommendations with respect to healthcare-related topics. Also, I have earned more than just a medical doctoral degree, so put some respec' on my name you punk bitch.

Don't worry little pup, I am only messing with you. All I want to know is what I had asked you originally...tell me WHICH labs you are referring to when you are recommending that these people get routine labs more frequent than what I had recommended. Additionally, I would like to know WHAT it is you are looking for and what changes will clue you into that specific problem?

I will tell you the same thing I tell my residents...don't order a test unless it will provide actionable intel or change the way you are treating the patient. Perfect example is ordering a lipid panel more than once every 6-12 months....your body does not function in a way that will cause acute changes in your cholesterol levels, therefore ordering a lipid panel at the start of your cycle, then 2 weeks in, then another 5-6 weeks in, will add no value to your plan.

I guess the thing that throws me off is the fact that we are on orals that will alter cholesterol/lipids/liver function.

Doctors who prescribe therapy that is hard on kidneys/liver would monitor these values regularly... So that statement from him is a little odd to me.

We are taking things that can cause acute changes.

exactly, and then throw in the majority of members who dont follow a prescribed diet with detailed macros and micros, potentially abuse other substances or are unaware of peripheral prescription counterindications and it becomes the most detrimental practice you could recommend.

From a fucking physician.

You are NOT taking medications that will cause acute changes in your body. I am not saying this to be an asshole, but I would look up the definition of "acute" pertaining to the endocrine system, because the vast majority of people don't realize the differences in acute, subacute, and chronic.

When we prescribe medications, we know what to sort of expect with regards to specific medications with each individual patient. We will very rarely start a medication that has a higher propensity for causing liver or kidney damage without first checking baseline labs to see if your hepatic end renal systems are functions appropriately. Depending on the known level of toxicity affiliated with whatever drug we are going to prescribe, we will make a judgement call on when to repeat those labs. For example, if I am going to start you on a statin for high cholesterol, I would check your baseline labs and if your LFTs were somewhat elevated, then I might just wait to start the medication or plan to start the medication and schedule a re-check in 4-6 weeks. If the labs are normal at that time, then I wouldn't recheck the hepatic function for another 3-6 months.

exactly, and then throw in the majority of members who dont follow a prescribed diet with detailed macros and micros, potentially abuse other substances or are unaware of peripheral prescription counterindications and it becomes the most detrimental practice you could recommend.

From a fucking physician.

I honestly can't help but point out the fact that someone like you is trying to argue with me in my area of specialized training, all the while using that grammar and syntax. Ruxin, diet is important, but it won't hurt a damn thing in the acute setting, the most it might do it limit the potential of your gains. Additionally, if you are reckless enough to get on here without reading anything at all, then what makes you think they are going to read or listen to any of the recommendations you or I have been offering? Furthermore, what the FUCK is a peripheral prescription counterindication? I can put 2 and 2 together, but you really gave yourself away with that little sentence. I think you're referring to CONTRAindications.

Here, let me say it once again. IF someone were to be doing those things and not following a diet and taking "peripheral prescriptions" with "counterindications," then that would mean they are being seen by a physician who is already following their lab work.

I'll finish off by saying this - I am open minded and I will agree with anything that has a valid reasoning or solid evidence for why you are choosing to do what you are doing. If you are going to tell people to get "x,y,z labs every X often" then you need to give your reasoning, what you're looking for, and have a plan for changing the medication. That's all for now.

 

[thatguy]

There are no absolutes when it comes to healthcare and you shouldn't be doing something like AAS cycling if you aren't well-researched and knowledgable of all of the consequences, risks, and benefits and spend time learning the proper ways to administer the compounds, etc. Additionally, I wouldn't even think about starting a cycle until you are mature enough and have the foundational knowledge to know when you should seek out help from a medical professional.

I understand where you are coming from, but as I have mentioned a few times prior to this - you should already have baseline labs for reference well before starting a cycle. If you are going to be starting a cycle and you will be taking Dbol for example, then you could justifiably have your liver function tested half-way through completing the Dbol. However, labs such as lipids have no real place in the acute setting unless you have some serious problems with your body itself. Cycles should only last maybe 5-16 weeks depending on the cycle. Following the 16-week cycle it is highly recommended to do PCT and not start another cycle for another 7-9 months following your PCT ( my rule of thumb is to take a break that is at least equal to the duration of your cycle + PCT). By the time you start your next cycle it would have been nearly a year and you could justifiably have your routine labs re-drawn and still provide value from the results. Does that make sense at all? Let me know if it doesn't.


Ruxin32424, you have been here for less than 2-months and you are already a subject matter expert and much more knowledgeable than anyone on this forum, so for that I applaud you.

First of all, you are telling me, of all people that I have a FINITE scope...good lord, buddy I would hate to know what you think of yourself if that's how you're going to describe a physician's recommendations with respect to healthcare-related topics. Also, I have earned more than just a medical doctoral degree, so put some respec' on my name you punk bitch.

Don't worry little pup, I am only messing with you. All I want to know is what I had asked you originally...tell me WHICH labs you are referring to when you are recommending that these people get routine labs more frequent than what I had recommended. Additionally, I would like to know WHAT it is you are looking for and what changes will clue you into that specific problem?

I will tell you the same thing I tell my residents...don't order a test unless it will provide actionable intel or change the way you are treating the patient. Perfect example is ordering a lipid panel more than once every 6-12 months....your body does not function in a way that will cause acute changes in your cholesterol levels, therefore ordering a lipid panel at the start of your cycle, then 2 weeks in, then another 5-6 weeks in, will add no value to your plan.






You are NOT taking medications that will cause acute changes in your body. I am not saying this to be an asshole, but I would look up the definition of "acute" pertaining to the endocrine system, because the vast majority of people don't realize the differences in acute, subacute, and chronic.

When we prescribe medications, we know what to sort of expect with regards to specific medications with each individual patient. We will very rarely start a medication that has a higher propensity for causing liver or kidney damage without first checking baseline labs to see if your hepatic end renal systems are functions appropriately. Depending on the known level of toxicity affiliated with whatever drug we are going to prescribe, we will make a judgement call on when to repeat those labs. For example, if I am going to start you on a statin for high cholesterol, I would check your baseline labs and if your LFTs were somewhat elevated, then I might just wait to start the medication or plan to start the medication and schedule a re-check in 4-6 weeks. If the labs are normal at that time, then I wouldn't recheck the hepatic function for another 3-6 months.



I honestly can't help but point out the fact that someone like you is trying to argue with me in my area of specialized training, all the while using that grammar and syntax. Ruxin, diet is important, but it won't hurt a damn thing in the acute setting, the most it might do it limit the potential of your gains. Additionally, if you are reckless enough to get on here without reading anything at all, then what makes you think they are going to read or listen to any of the recommendations you or I have been offering? Furthermore, what the FUCK is a peripheral prescription counterindication? I can put 2 and 2 together, but you really gave yourself away with that little sentence. I think you're referring to CONTRAindications.

Here, let me say it once again. IF someone were to be doing those things and not following a diet and taking "peripheral prescriptions" with "counterindications," then that would mean they are being seen by a physician who is already following their lab work.

I'll finish off by saying this - I am open minded and I will agree with anything that has a valid reasoning or solid evidence for why you are choosing to do what you are doing. If you are going to tell people to get "x,y,z labs every X often" then you need to give your reasoning, what you're looking for, and have a plan for changing the medication. That's all for now.

Can we get a TL;DR version please?

 

[combover]

Can we get a TL;DR version please?

He's telling those two dudes they don't know what they're talking about.

 

[ted bundy]

If that’s true, then obviously you’d be idiotic to not go for the CBC, but I’m going to let you in on a secret - they jack the hell out of the prices of the simpler labs so that you’ll not only buy the more complete lab sets, but you’ll also think you’re getting some DEAL out of it. In reality they’re just playing marketing tricks on people. Also, some facilities might use the same reagent and equipment to run a test like hematocrit that is also used to run a CBC, so they will change pricing for that reason, as well. However, if you go to a large testing facility where they have the more efficient machines that can run a hematocrit for 50 cents, then a hematocrit is all you need from the CBC.

As I said, a CMP and Lipid panel are great for baseline labs, but you DO NOT need to run these routinely and I would challenge you to show me a logical reason as to why you would need these labs more than once a year, outside of obvious and extenuating circumstances.

Additionally, I would love to know what acute problems you are referring to in which a CMP and lipid panel would be of absolute necessity and in which you wouldn’t be hospitalized already? There are very very few truly acute changes pertaining to AAS usage and for most of these you’ll need actual imaging studies and not blood work.



No disrespect, but please don’t offer anymore medical advice on these forums. The fact that you’d even mention forgoing a testosterone test, but still enable people to get lipid panels is just criminal and it speaks to the ignorance of medical training. If you want to get a lipid panel, then do it…YEARLY. If your lipids are changing so acutely as to cause you problems, you need a genetic panel and extensive family history, and that’s the beginning of your problems.

You’re right about a few things. Most of the members on here are first-timers or at least counted as newcomers to the area. As this forum has stated countless times, no one should endorse another person to start on AAS without proper knowledge and planning, as well as experience in the gym and baseline health screening prior to starting.

I am very curious to know which blood tests you think should be taken every 8-12 weeks, which specific lab results on those tests are of value for that frequency, and which reasonable pathology are you testing for? You realize that most cycles last between 6-16 weeks? Also, in which scenarios would I need to check my lipids that often, which lipid profile are you concerned for, what symptoms should prompt me to get this panel, and how high is “too high”?

I’m not trying to be a dick, but some of the things I see passed along and propagated on these forums is pure ludicrous and baseless. I wouldn’t recommend anyone try to manage their own health and routine labs, because you’re not going to know wtf to do with the labs once you get them. Labs pertaining to testosterone levels are understandable, but if you are doing other labs, at least have them sent to your PCP so they can interpret them for you. I assure you it is much safer that way. Thanks!

Interesting. Am I wasting my time and money doing pre and post cycle bloods? Especially since I’m only running test?

 

[combover]

Interesting. Am I wasting my time and money doing pre and post cycle bloods? Especially since I’m only running test?

The doc is gonna ask you when you're doing your post and pre, what specifically are you looking for?
If you can answer that and it makes senses, than I would assume it's not a waste. For instance, if I wanna do bloods mid cycle to dial in ai, that makes sense.
When I started trt, my doc had me pulling bloods every 90 days I think to dial everything in.

That was after making changes in pinning schedule and ai so it made sense to check.

 

[thatguy]

He's telling those two dudes they don't know what they're talking about.

You are a godsend, sir.

 

[ted bundy]

The doc is gonna ask you when you're doing your post and pre, what specifically are you looking for?
If you can answer that and it makes senses, than I would assume it's not a waste. For instance, if I wanna do bloods mid cycle to dial in ai, that makes sense.
When I started trt, my doc had me pulling bloods every 90 days I think to dial everything in.

That was after making changes in pinning schedule and ai so it made sense to check.

Gotcha. I had my AI dialed in on my trt, but I’m doing cycles myself without my doc having access to those labs. Going to work on dialing my estrogen again as soon as I get my next order since I have no AI on hand (besides my prescription; but it’s too low for this amount of test-I mean I haven’t noticed symptoms, but my last bloodwork had my estrogen around 70 IIRC) I could increase my dose, but not until I’m sure I’ve got more AI on the way bc the last thing I want to do is run completely dry. Unfortunately won’t be able to take part in this next time Stan opens because I’m going out of the country and I’m not certain I’d get my package before I leave because TAs can be quite high

 

[Nobeast]

There are no absolutes when it comes to healthcare and you shouldn't be doing something like AAS cycling if you aren't well-researched and knowledgable of all of the consequences, risks, and benefits and spend time learning the proper ways to administer the compounds, etc. Additionally, I wouldn't even think about starting a cycle until you are mature enough and have the foundational knowledge to know when you should seek out help from a medical professional.

I understand where you are coming from, but as I have mentioned a few times prior to this - you should already have baseline labs for reference well before starting a cycle. If you are going to be starting a cycle and you will be taking Dbol for example, then you could justifiably have your liver function tested half-way through completing the Dbol. However, labs such as lipids have no real place in the acute setting unless you have some serious problems with your body itself. Cycles should only last maybe 5-16 weeks depending on the cycle. Following the 16-week cycle it is highly recommended to do PCT and not start another cycle for another 7-9 months following your PCT ( my rule of thumb is to take a break that is at least equal to the duration of your cycle + PCT). By the time you start your next cycle it would have been nearly a year and you could justifiably have your routine labs re-drawn and still provide value from the results. Does that make sense at all? Let me know if it doesn't.


Ruxin32424, you have been here for less than 2-months and you are already a subject matter expert and much more knowledgeable than anyone on this forum, so for that I applaud you.

First of all, you are telling me, of all people that I have a FINITE scope...good lord, buddy I would hate to know what you think of yourself if that's how you're going to describe a physician's recommendations with respect to healthcare-related topics. Also, I have earned more than just a medical doctoral degree, so put some respec' on my name you punk bitch.

Don't worry little pup, I am only messing with you. All I want to know is what I had asked you originally...tell me WHICH labs you are referring to when you are recommending that these people get routine labs more frequent than what I had recommended. Additionally, I would like to know WHAT it is you are looking for and what changes will clue you into that specific problem?

I will tell you the same thing I tell my residents...don't order a test unless it will provide actionable intel or change the way you are treating the patient. Perfect example is ordering a lipid panel more than once every 6-12 months....your body does not function in a way that will cause acute changes in your cholesterol levels, therefore ordering a lipid panel at the start of your cycle, then 2 weeks in, then another 5-6 weeks in, will add no value to your plan.






You are NOT taking medications that will cause acute changes in your body. I am not saying this to be an asshole, but I would look up the definition of "acute" pertaining to the endocrine system, because the vast majority of people don't realize the differences in acute, subacute, and chronic.

When we prescribe medications, we know what to sort of expect with regards to specific medications with each individual patient. We will very rarely start a medication that has a higher propensity for causing liver or kidney damage without first checking baseline labs to see if your hepatic end renal systems are functions appropriately. Depending on the known level of toxicity affiliated with whatever drug we are going to prescribe, we will make a judgement call on when to repeat those labs. For example, if I am going to start you on a statin for high cholesterol, I would check your baseline labs and if your LFTs were somewhat elevated, then I might just wait to start the medication or plan to start the medication and schedule a re-check in 4-6 weeks. If the labs are normal at that time, then I wouldn't recheck the hepatic function for another 3-6 months.



I honestly can't help but point out the fact that someone like you is trying to argue with me in my area of specialized training, all the while using that grammar and syntax. Ruxin, diet is important, but it won't hurt a damn thing in the acute setting, the most it might do it limit the potential of your gains. Additionally, if you are reckless enough to get on here without reading anything at all, then what makes you think they are going to read or listen to any of the recommendations you or I have been offering? Furthermore, what the FUCK is a peripheral prescription counterindication? I can put 2 and 2 together, but you really gave yourself away with that little sentence. I think you're referring to CONTRAindications.

Here, let me say it once again. IF someone were to be doing those things and not following a diet and taking "peripheral prescriptions" with "counterindications," then that would mean they are being seen by a physician who is already following their lab work.

I'll finish off by saying this - I am open minded and I will agree with anything that has a valid reasoning or solid evidence for why you are choosing to do what you are doing. If you are going to tell people to get "x,y,z labs every X often" then you need to give your reasoning, what you're looking for, and have a plan for changing the medication. That's all for now.

who says put some respec on my name punk bitch and had a phd. Lol your laughable your probably one of those quacks that’s a chiropractor or a “doctor of natural medicine” or some shit. Jesus Christ. Anyone can really be anybody on the internet

 

[Rido]

I understand where you are coming from, but as I have mentioned a few times prior to this - you should already have baseline labs for reference well before starting a cycle. If you are going to be starting a cycle and you will be taking Dbol for example, then you could justifiably have your liver function tested half-way through completing the Dbol. However, labs such as lipids have no real place in the acute setting unless you have some serious problems with your body itself. Cycles should only last maybe 5-16 weeks depending on the cycle. Following the 16-week cycle it is highly recommended to do PCT and not start another cycle for another 7-9 months following your PCT ( my rule of thumb is to take a break that is at least equal to the duration of your cycle + PCT). By the time you start your next cycle it would have been nearly a year and you could justifiably have your routine labs re-drawn and still provide value from the results. Does that make sense at all? Let me know if it doesn't.

Isn't that the whole point of the your response? you asked for a rationale of a CMP. Any oral, tren, boldenone, DHB would be reasons to grab this panel as well. Obviously the PCT wouldn't be necessary if you are already on TRT. We gave you a logical reason of why we would grab a CMP more often

There are some people who have reported HDL running into the teens from AAS usage which is a red flag right?

you keep saying you don't mean to sound like a dick, but you do.

 

[Brockalee23]

I have some of your Cialis. I'll try it out and let you know also.

Any update? Shouldn’t need it this go around, no tren or deca just trying sust for the first time but Stan cialis worked well for me before even on those compounds

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

If you want to get a lipid panel, then do it…YEARLY. If your lipids are changing so acutely as to cause you problems

I don’t understand this?

My last cycle, lipids were decent. Good HDL SLIGHTLY elevated LDL.

After my last cycle they got fucked. HDL dropped and LDL sky rocketed.

How would I of known this without getting a test done? I don’t feel different and I’ve had no issues. But it’s awful health wise. If I waited for my once yearly blood test for my lipids it may have been too far gone to adjust without a medication. Or I sat there with a shit lipid profile for 8 months while I could of been adjusting and bettering my lifestyle for 8 months.

Why would I wait until an issue occurs to get blood work? I get my blood work regularly because I want to PREVENT issues from occurring and make changes early on when flags begin raising.

It’s a preventative measure.. i don’t think you need a reason to get a blood test. You should simply get them so you know where your health markers stand.

This was genuinely an awful recommendation unless I am not understanding properly.

 

[Eloquence]

Did Stan open today?

 

[Juicy AF]

Just here to say that I ate one of those major Toms on Saturday and had to leave the gym today (Monday) because I’m still having movement.

You dudes complaining must have some busted chicks.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

Just here to say that I ate one of those major Toms on Saturday and had to leave the gym today (Monday) because I’m still having movement.

You dudes complaining must have some busted chicks.

LittleTren felt engorged with excitement every time he used them.

 

[Iron_Yuppie]

Perfect example is ordering a lipid panel more than once every 6-12 months....your body does not function in a way that will cause acute changes in your cholesterol levels, therefore ordering a lipid panel at the start of your cycle, then 2 weeks in, then another 5-6 weeks in, will add no value to your plan.

Tell me you’ve never heard of steroids without telling me you’ve never heard of steroids.

Oxandrolone, masteron, methenolone. Three commonly used steroids. Three steroids with a history of wrecking lipids. But how bad are they, really? Using your level of diligence the answer is “how the fuck would I know? I never got blood work done because some guy said I didn’t need to.” Tracking acute changes because of things that cause acute changes is valuable. I don’t even know why you’d argue otherwise. That’s maybe the dumbest hill to die on, and brother this place of full of some pretty dumb hills.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

Tell me you’ve never heard of steroids without telling me you’ve never heard of steroids.

Oxandrolone, masteron, methenolone. Three commonly used steroids. Three steroids with a history of wrecking lipids. But how bad are they, really? Using your level of diligence the answer is “how the fuck would I know? I never got blood work done because some guy said I didn’t need to.” Tracking acute changes because of things that cause acute changes is valuable. I don’t even know why you’d argue otherwise. That’s maybe the dumbest hill to die on, and brother this place of full of some pretty dumb hills.

There’s shitty doctors just as there is shitty plumbers.

I’ve seen it many times and it doesn’t surprise me.

 

[saxtonhale1]

Stan is your minimum order still $400? And do you carry any HCG?