Roger rabbit
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That's pretty much what I have seen people say. Even that just switching from test c to test e will do what he's talking about.
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That's pretty much what I have seen people say. Even that just switching from test c to test e will do what he's talking about.
PIZZABOY
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With todays UG Labs, switching both esters and labs during a cycle may make sense, hoping at least everything isnt bunk.
PIZZABOY
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I have seen far fewer complaints across the board with Test C. Problems have arisen with many batches of test E
PIZZABOY
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When i used Sust, pins were EOD, WITH Tren A. I was happy with results, however the sides after a 3 month cycle like this totaly sucked, momentary deppression, almost withdrawl like, and the biggest fucking scarring Acne i ever experienced. Sure i was freaking huge and ripped that summer, however taking my shirt off was gross
Roger rabbit
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I see more test e problems during the summer months.( just my observation) I think it has something to do with the heat and transporting.. doing something to the hormone. I'm sure some of those cargo trucks can get well above 200+ plus degrees.
if the person making the product would get it tested before brewing,then there wouldn't be a problem. Lol... but we know how that goes [emoji23][emoji85]
I found some Test PH (Testosterone Phenlypropionate) last cycle and switched it out for test p about half way of my test, npp, and anavar cycle. I absolutely loved that shit. The nice thing when running Test ph it has 2-3 half-life and so does npp. Test p is 1.5 days. @StanfordPharma any chance you can get your hands on some? I read a Broscience article stating it usually shows best mass building of the Test esters. I am a believer that Test is Test however, dealing with this half life and pinning EOD is fuckin magical
Does anyone else have experience with PH? It doesn’t seem commonly offered and it’s a great test between P and C.
Does anyone else have experience with PH? It doesn’t seem commonly offered and it’s a great test between P and C.
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Dw725
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The thing with short and long esters that can affect results is the timing between peaks and troughs. This does have impact on things like water retention, acne, aromatization, etc.
Every guy I know who competes switches to short ester close to comp, specifically to avoid water retention.
I could try to get really technical and theorize on why or why not this practice works, but it's easier to just go with what we know.
Guys have been doing this for a long time and swear by it, that's good enough for me.
Every guy I know who competes switches to short ester close to comp, specifically to avoid water retention.
I could try to get really technical and theorize on why or why not this practice works, but it's easier to just go with what we know.
Guys have been doing this for a long time and swear by it, that's good enough for me.
I found some Test PH (Testosterone Phenlypropionate) last cycle and switched it out for test p about half way of my test, npp, and anavar cycle. I absolutely loved that shit. The nice thing when running Test ph it has 2-3 half-life and so does npp. Test p is 1.5 days. @StanfordPharma any chance you can get your hands on some? I read a Broscience article stating it usually shows best mass building of the Test esters. I am a believer that Test is Test however, dealing with this half life and pinning EOD is fuckin magical
I ran Pcom test ph with great lean mass results
timmygainz4388
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Ive been using this guys gear for awhile now and ive liked pretty much everything but lately his test e is out of control with pip had a problem with it he sent me out replacement sus right away went to grab some again and same shit cant walk for a week after injection lost a couple people for that reason but everything else ive never had a problem with and he always gives me a killer deal
To the ester question there’s something I’d like to add.
Saturation of receptors, and changing saturation levels, is the perfect way to describe what happens whe you change esters. When you switch up the esters, you switch up the concentrations that enter the bloodstream. This is even true when it comes to frequency of injections. Taking 600 a week of Tren E in one dose compared to splitting it up to every other day will have a different effect because the saturation levels are different throughout the cycle. It’s almost like keeping the muscle guessing while training. There’s something to be said about having consistent hormone levels but at the same time there is a benefit to changing up concentrations and esters, just as you would change up your workout to throw off the body.
It’s not uncommon for me to do all of my Sust at once for the first few weeks, and then change frequency to every other day, then maybe going back to all at once yet again. Essentially I’m taking the same dose but the way in which I take it changes the timing and concentrations of receptor saturation and I’ve seen quite an added benefit to this.
Saturation of receptors, and changing saturation levels, is the perfect way to describe what happens whe you change esters. When you switch up the esters, you switch up the concentrations that enter the bloodstream. This is even true when it comes to frequency of injections. Taking 600 a week of Tren E in one dose compared to splitting it up to every other day will have a different effect because the saturation levels are different throughout the cycle. It’s almost like keeping the muscle guessing while training. There’s something to be said about having consistent hormone levels but at the same time there is a benefit to changing up concentrations and esters, just as you would change up your workout to throw off the body.
It’s not uncommon for me to do all of my Sust at once for the first few weeks, and then change frequency to every other day, then maybe going back to all at once yet again. Essentially I’m taking the same dose but the way in which I take it changes the timing and concentrations of receptor saturation and I’ve seen quite an added benefit to this.
I’ve had some interesting numbers come back in my bloodwork showing much higher peak levels when injecting a long ester all at once compared to splitting it up. The peaks are higher and the valleys lower, but again it changes saturation and can affect overall growth and cycle effectiveness imo.
bama_barbell1014
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Anyone tried his SP's Exemestane or Super PCT? I just picked up both. I'm gonna use the PCT in a month when I get off cycle. I'll let everyone know how my bloods look.
The Aromasin is legit. I won’t fuck with Adex anymore. Hope that helps. Lol
Dw725
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Yea I think the higher peaks can be slightly more anabolic but damn if the sides don't become a bitch to manage when levels are all over the place throughout the week.
True, but that’s why I don’t really recommend dosages anymore. You have to know your body and it’s limits. My gains tapered off towards the end of my cycles so I tried changing things up and it worked well for me. I’m not saying it will for everyone, just agreeing about receptor saturation’s and changing esters/dosages.
I wonder what it would be like to do a six week test ph and npp, then switch to test p and Tren a for 6 weeks. Fuck if I didn’t just buy 8 vials of primo 200 I would love to try that. I tried them together but I think there is something to be said about this receptor thing!
I wouldn’t so much bother changing the type of test you take but rather dosing and frequency.
For example, I do test p 100 ED for the first few weeks, when results taper I’ll keep with the test p and do 250mg eod. Slight changes is dosage and frequency kick me out of “homeostasis” my body is trying to find on 100mg ed.
My next cycle will be...
Drol 100mg ed first 4 weeks
Tren E 600 ew
Mast E 600 ew
Test 250-500 ew changing as needed
I also have a few other compounds on hand I may play with if I’m not happy with results.
I may do Monday Wednesday Friday injections at 200 tren 200 test for a bit...when I stall I’ll blast 600 tren Sunday and 600 mast Wednesday. Weekly dosage may be the same but fluctuations and higher concentrations help me.
[Disclaimer] I only recommend this “practice” of unstable bloods for experienced users. I know what dosages give me sides and what my body like/hates. I also know what flares up my gyno. Don’t experiment like this unless you’ve got years under your belt...in my humble opinion.
Savagesteve
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I had some pip with the test e and the new batch I got is smooth with no issues. My buddy is running his sust and says it’s smooth as well. Have you ran sust before?
ZDogg
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I’m running the exemestane. I was having some gyno on a little test/npp run. Cleared it up quick.
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