Steroid absorption in scarred tissue

[Alias_name]

I think this is a topic i dont see very often, dont see many literature discussing this issue and this is a perfect place to compare experience.
Backstory. I’ve been blast and cruising for better part of decade and to make this as convinient and practical, i would switch between left and right ventrogluteus injection, injecting once a week. So i figured each pin point gets 2 weeks of rest and i ocassionaly pin few inches left and right to prevent overuse. Well, it doesnt actually work. When i squeeze my fingers onto the pin area you can feel the hard tissue underneath, guessing thats scarr tissue. I can still inject, but i think injecting into this tissue affects absorption of injected steroid. I mostly think that because when i inject, i usually get strong erection and libido after 12 hours of injection, i guess its testosterone absorbing into blood and hormones are spiking. When i inject into area thats hard under fingers i dont get that peak. I guess steroids eventually fully absorb into blood making this not a big issue becuase even though you lose out on spike, your blood levels are still fine, but part of me wonders if injecting this way may not be ideal and cause you to miss out on your dose, at least partially. Could you please share your experience with me, especially if you have medical knowledge about this issue.
Also, do you think suplementing potassium would reduce water retention you get from testosterone. I am low bf, eat clean, and still get some water retention, and i am particularly bothered by facial water retention.

 

[Joesmoke1]

I think this is a topic i dont see very often, dont see many literature discussing this issue and this is a perfect place to compare experience.
Backstory. I’ve been blast and cruising for better part of decade and to make this as convinient and practical, i would switch between left and right ventrogluteus injection, injecting once a week. So i figured each pin point gets 2 weeks of rest and i ocassionaly pin few inches left and right to prevent overuse. Well, it doesnt actually work. When i squeeze my fingers onto the pin area you can feel the hard tissue underneath, guessing thats scarr tissue. I can still inject, but i think injecting into this tissue affects absorption of injected steroid. I mostly think that because when i inject, i usually get strong erection and libido after 12 hours of injection, i guess its testosterone absorbing into blood and hormones are spiking. When i inject into area thats hard under fingers i dont get that peak. I guess steroids eventually fully absorb into blood making this not a big issue becuase even though you lose out on spike, your blood levels are still fine, but part of me wonders if injecting this way may not be ideal and cause you to miss out on your dose, at least partially. Could you please share your experience with me, especially if you have medical knowledge about this issue.
Also, do you think suplementing potassium would reduce water retention you get from testosterone. I am low bf, eat clean, and still get some water retention, and i am particularly bothered by facial water retention.

I always wondered the same thing I haven’t read any literature on this either. Good question friend.

 

[Sector]

It would make sense that absorption would be slowed if you're injecting into a lump

Heating and massaging the area should speed up the process, but ideally you don't want to inject into scar tissue.

There's plenty of glute to hit, doesn't have to always be the same spot, or rotate injections sites more.

I do glutes/lats/delts personally

 

[AlexDavis43]

I got one of these Timtam massage guns on eBay for like $100. It's pretty hardcore.

Might help with that scar tissue, otherwise it just feels good.

 

[Alias_name]

It would make sense that absorption would be slowed if you're injecting into a lump

Heating and massaging the area should speed up the process, but ideally you don't want to inject into scar tissue.

There's plenty of glute to hit, doesn't have to always be the same spot, or rotate injections sites more.

I do glutes/lats/delts personally

I wouldnt call it bump per se, but underneath the skin it is definitely not as smooth as some muscles that dont get injected. I move around that area, few inches left and right but its always ventrogluteus injection, i find dorsogluteus hard to self administer (if its possible). I used to inject into quads but pip and muscle twitch got me avoiding it, and with bigger volumes of injection (2ml+) i always do ventrogluteus. This leaves me wondering if the injected steroid is fully absoring and at what rate. It sucks that i cant just do ventrogluteus without causing scarr tissue even with 27 g needle.

 

[narta]

You have more than 8 easily usable spots in your body, 14 if you want to get a little more technical.

Use them

 

[Black90tsi]

Allow me to ask the obvious question. Have you tried to inject somewhere else to see if you feel any differently? Seems like a pretty easy way to tell if the issue is the 2 injection locations you use or if it's something else.

 

[laclark89]

Message gun or graston technique. 10 years and u never heard of it?

I rotate 8 spots with a 25ga pinn, if I'm running a few mls.Cruise it's not really nessisary.
Glutes, ventras, quad , and delt. I would try lats but I could bairly get the needle in but not reach the plunger.

Also if your really injecting into bad scar tissue it will sound like rice crispies or pop rocks going in.

But yea makes sence you might not absorb the gear aswell in scar tissue, probably not much blood flow. I've heard that's how some people get infections or abscess from pockets of oil not absorbing.

 

[Alias_name]

Thank you for your question, i could have done a better job explaining. Even though i switch between 2 areas (ventrogluteus injection) the muscule itself is big enough that i can move the injection spot few inches left right up down and still inject. The reason i know injection spot is affecting how i react is, when i inject into spot that has slightly hard feel underneath the skin, i dont feel like “peak” 12-24 hours after injection. Few days ago i injected into a very hard to reach spot (new area) and i definitely felt the peak. This made me wonder if i am only partially absorbing if i inject into “scarr tissue” or is the effect just delayed but still fine. The easy response is “just dont ever inject in scarr tissue area”. I’ve been doing this for a while now and practicality is definitely something i aim for, and ventrogluteus injection are painless, easy to reach and hard to fuck up. I used to rotate quads and pip/muscle twitch got me avoiding it. This is why i wanted to start discussion here to hear your comments.

 

[Alias_name]

Message gun or graston technique. 10 years and u never heard of it?

I rotate 8 spots with a 25ga pinn, if I'm running a few mls.Cruise it's not really nessisary.
Glutes, ventras, quad , and delt. I would try lats but I could bairly get the needle in but not reach the plunger.

Also if your really injecting into bad scar tissue it will sound like rice crispies or pop rocks going in.

But yea makes sence you might not absorb the gear aswell in scar tissue, probably not much blood flow. I've heard that's how some people get infections or abscess from pockets of oil not absorbing.

I heard about it, but wasnt sure if its effective for scarr tissue. I will try the graston technique and see if it helps. Thank you.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Thank you for your question, i could have done a better job explaining. Even though i switch between 2 areas (ventrogluteus injection) the muscule itself is big enough that i can move the injection spot few inches left right up down and still inject. The reason i know injection spot is affecting how i react is, when i inject into spot that has slightly hard feel underneath the skin, i dont feel like “peak” 12-24 hours after injection. Few days ago i injected into a very hard to reach spot (new area) and i definitely felt the peak. This made me wonder if i am only partially absorbing if i inject into “scarr tissue” or is the effect just delayed but still fine. The easy response is “just dont ever inject in scarr tissue area”. I’ve been doing this for a while now and practicality is definitely something i aim for, and ventrogluteus injection are painless, easy to reach and hard to fuck up. I used to rotate quads and pip/muscle twitch got me avoiding it. This is why i wanted to start discussion here to hear your comments.

It's something I think about but I choose to ignore because it's impossible to know how it affects absorption or even where to inject. Idk where I used to pin on my glute or how to avoid the spots that have scar tissue.

 

[bigboy420]

rotate 8 spots with a 25ga pinn

Damn, my babby insulin 29g never leave scars. Left and right delt 3rd year now.

 

[pigeonhed]

Scar Tissue Study

My understanding of the study.

Can Scar Tissue Affect Absorption and Dosing of IM Injections?

Short Answer: Yes, scar tissue can influence the absorption and effectiveness of intramuscular (IM) injections, potentially altering the expected dose.

Details: The presence of scar tissue can indeed interfere with the proper absorption of medications delivered via IM injections. Scar tissue generally has reduced blood flow and an altered structure compared to healthy muscle tissue, which can impede the medication's distribution and absorption into the bloodstream.

Study Context: The study involved patients with significant spinal cord injuries who had developed scar tissue mainly due to severe conditions like pressure ulcers (bedsores) and muscle injuries. These patients often face prolonged immobility, which can lead to the formation of scar tissue as the body heals from sustained pressure and damage.

Important Consideration: While the study confirms that scar tissue can affect medication absorption, it's important to note that the scar tissue in these cases was extensive, resulting from significant medical conditions. Therefore, the findings may not directly apply to situations where scar tissue is minimal, such as that caused by previous injections.

Conclusion: This study underscores the complexity of medication delivery in individuals with extensive scar tissue. However, it also suggests that minimal scar tissue, such as that caused by routine needle use, might not have the same significant impact.

 

[nightprowler7]

Message gun or graston technique. 10 years and u never heard of it?

I rotate 8 spots with a 25ga pinn, if I'm running a few mls.Cruise it's not really nessisary.
Glutes, ventras, quad , and delt. I would try lats but I could bairly get the needle in but not reach the plunger.

Also if your really injecting into bad scar tissue it will sound like rice crispies or pop rocks going in.

But yea makes sence you might not absorb the gear aswell in scar tissue, probably not much blood flow. I've heard that's how some people get infections or abscess from pockets of oil not absorbing.

Dude that crunching is the worst sound lol. I started hearing that in my quad within a year of pinning. I use 25g everywhere on my body and rotate sites too