Steroidsfax Test e/Deca/Dbol/Proviron

[Iatola]

Steroidsfax/Sciroxx: Test e/Deca/Dbol/Proviron

3 Test e, 2 Deca

2 Dbol, 1 Proviron

It looks awesome, I can't wait to start. I still have enough PCT left from my last cycle and some tamoxifen I picked up in Mexico last time I was there.

Also got a script from the doc today for some baseline blood work (and mid and post cycle) so I'm stoked

 

[raysugar1234]

That looks like a kick ass cycle your about to run. Will it be12 weeks?

 

[Iatola]

Yeah the plan is to tun test for 12, deca for 10 and a dbol kickstart. I probably have enough to do 14/12 but I'll have to see how it feels when the time comes.

 

[Dr JIM]

Deca from Sciroxx and PCT using Tamoxifen from Mexico.

Now when exactly do you anticipate complete HTPA restoration, lol!

 

[raysugar1234]

will you only use nolva for pct? or do you prefer the combo of nolva an clomid? also what will you use the proviron for?

 

[Iatola]

Deca from Sciroxx and PCT using Tamoxifen from Mexico. Now when exactly do you anticipate complete HTPA restoration, lol!

Wait what? HPTA, I'm actually hoping the clomid will help with that... I said I had PCT left over from my last cycle and the nolva. But thanks for the help just the same, and in such a constructive manner much appreciated Doc.

 

[MANWHORE]

That Testodex cap doesn't
even match the label..

How you gonna go and use too
different shades of Green
on the same product?

 

[Iatola]

will you only use nolva for pct? or do you prefer the combo of nolva an clomid? also what will you use the proviron for?

No I'll use the nolva PC with clomid, I might also grab some HCG just in-case, I've never had problems in the past but you never know

I'll run the proviron on cycle, mainly as an anti-e.

 

[Iatola]

That Testodex cap doesn't
even match the label..
How you gonna go and use too
different shades of Green
on the same product?

Shit, good eye. I never noticed that... I should send it back haha

 

[MANWHORE]

Shit, good eye. I never noticed that... I should send it back haha

Just warn them, for next time.

You can't be walking around with
mismatched gear.. You could get
a ticket, for that shit

 

[steroidsfax]

That Testodex cap doesn't
even match the label..

How you gonna go and use too
different shades of Green
on the same product?

Glad Jim didn't notice. Surely our inability to color coordinate would have been a sign of the coming apocalypse....lol

 

[Dr JIM]

Proviron is NOT an anti-estrogen AAS, in fact it may increase E-2 levels at least initially.

 

[Dr JIM]

Is Karl aware these caps are NOT color coordinated, how could he allow such indiscretion to occur once again. Shame Shame!

 

[biggerben69]

Is Karl aware these caps are NOT color coordinated, how could he allow such indiscretion to occur once again. Shame Shame!

The guys putting them in vials here from the big jugs they get them in need some fashion sense.

 

[Dr JIM]

This is serious, now wonder Sciroxx is being "investigated"!

 

[Iatola]

Proviron is NOT an anti-estrogen AAS, in fact it may increase E-2 levels at least initially.

OK. I agree that it's not an anti-e in the traditional sense- as a estrogen blocker, but it is an anti-e in the sense that it helps to keep test from converting to estrogen in the first place.

 

[biggerben69]

OK. I agree that it's not an anti-e in the traditional sense- as a estrogen blocker, but it is an anti-e in the sense that it helps to keep test from converting to estrogen in the first place.

It doesn't stop test from converting to est. Prov binds to estrogen receptors. The e is floating around I suppose causing no ill sides.
Prov also helps free up test so there is more active T.
At least this is my understanding.....what do you say, Doc?

 

[Iatola]

I believe it binds to the aromatase enzyme not the receptor itself. And it's the enzyme that is responsible for converting test to e.

Therefore it should help prevent at least some of the sides associated with estrogen build up while on cycle.

Anyway, that was my train of thought, that's why I'm using it as an anti-e while on cycle.

 

[Dr JIM]

The primary effect of Proviron is it's binding to SHBG with five time the affinity than DHT and much more so then with either E-2 or Testosterone.

The NET EFFECT is more androgen circulating as UNBOUND and becoming "free" to participate in metabolic functions, at least initially. Proviron has no effect on the aromatase activity and does NOT decrease the conversion of Test into E-2.

Much of the confusion of DHT AAS analogs, LIKE Proviron, arose out of the supposition that because Masteron was used in 1970s for breast cancer patients (with a demonstrable reduction in mortality) it was thought by some the "binding E-2 receptors" was it's MECHANISM OF ACTION.

The result was yep...... BRO SCIENCE STRIKES AGAIN! Well truth be known, the technology required to DETERMINE the RECEPTOR STATUS was not available until the 1990's, but as one can imagine the NAME "anti-estrogenic stuck".

In fact it is now known up to 40% of patients with breast cancer are ESTROGEN RECEPTOR NEGATIVE yet ANDROGEN RECEPTOR POSITIVE !!!!!.

Now it just so happens Masteron is an ANDROGEN and it's ability to activate the androgen receptor in females with breast cancer was the underlying MECHANISM OF ACTION.
Stated another way Masteron or presumably any other AAS, including Proviron, may be effective in breast cancer because they are androgenic rather than being anti-estrogenic, WHICH THEY ARE NOT!

JIM

 

[Iatola]

Well I guess it's a good thing I'm not a female with breast cancer... That was a close one