STOCK UP: Don't say you weren't warned! (US)

[egruberman]

This is the Request for Proposal (RFP) package for the JFK Centralized Examination Station. Haven't had time to read or ChatGPT it, but this is what CBP was asking for.

It says nothing about the specifications of the equipment, only that it will be supplied by the vendor. This equipment itself is referred to as "NII" or Non-intrusive inspection equipment.

 

[Blagtheripper]

It says nothing about the specifications of the equipment, only that it will be supplied by the vendor. This equipment itself is referred to as "NII" or Non-intrusive inspection equipment.

I am going to continue to assume that this will be yet another overhyped and underutilized system until I see confirmation of a different outcome

 

[Ghoul]

I am going to continue to assume that this will be yet another overhyped and underutilized system until I see confirmation of a different outcome

Overhyped, just the like the 40,000 airport carry on baggage scanners being replaced around the world that are so effective at identifying materials they can discern between liquids, even within steel bottles, that are as much as 99% water.

 

[Blagtheripper]

Overhyped, just the like the 40,000 airport carry on baggage scanners being replaced around the world that are so effective at identifying materials they can discern between liquids, even within steel bottles, that are as much as 99% water.

The major factor causing my suspicions would be the actual supplier of these scanners, people have been saying that these guys are essentially first class bullshitters. Of course I could be wrong, and considering how totalitarian everything has been becoming, I probably am.

 

[Ghoul]

The major factor causing my suspicions would be the actual supplier of these scanners, people have been saying that these guys are essentially first class bullshitters. Of course I could be wrong, and considering how totalitarian everything has been becoming, I probably am.

So after 25,years of banning liquids, gels, or creams over 100ml on aircraft, they're now being allowed not based on the reality these machines can accurately identify the 100+ explosives and hazardous chemicals but on "BS".


View: https://youtu.be/nyG8XAmtYeQ


Relevant portions around 2 minutes and 6 minutes.

I'll add these are low end Dual Energy Computed Tomography machines. The key is two different x-ray energy levels (Dual Energy) are used to scan. which can be compared, revealing the atomic number of the material.

Where fewer are needed, as they mention are used for checked baggage, additional tech like spectral xrays (many different power levels) and backscatter sensors are added to enable even more accurate material detection. For instance, one validation test is mixing a bag of milk powder and sugar, and ensuring the machine can determine the percentage of each within the mixture.

Where extreme high speed is needed, algorithms, built on detailed analysis of targeted contraband, are being used to shorten the detection time to a fraction usually required. AI generated "shortcuts".

Since there are so many different types of equipment being used, Customs agencies around the world have agreed to standardize the format of these algorithms, so they can share them with each other as new threats and forms of contraband are identified.

The systems are so accurate, they can identify the components of a single pill (in fact pharma manufacturers are beginning to use these for quality control instead of conventional lab analysis).

When contraband is detected in a package it's automatically kicked off the high speed conveyor so customs agents can deal with it. This means agents no longer need to watch a screen as packages pass slowly through an xray machine, and packaging inspection capacity will increase by over 1000 times what's currently possible.

Sample of materials used for testing security scanners. Note they can differentiate between styles of beer.

 

[Blagtheripper]

So after 25,years of banning liquids, gels, or creams over 100ml on aircraft, they're now being allowed not based on the reality these machines can accurately identify the 100+ explosives and hazardous chemicals but on "BS".


View: https://youtu.be/nyG8XAmtYeQ


Relevant portions around 2 minutes and 6 minutes.

I'll add these are low end Dual Energy Computed Tomography machines. The key is two different x-ray energy levels (Dual Energy) are used to scan. which can be compared, revealing the atomic number of the material.

Where fewer are needed, as they mention are used for checked baggage, additional tech like spectral xrays (many different power levels) and backscatter sensors are added to enable even more accurate material detection. For instance, one validation test is mixing a bag of milk powder and sugar, and ensuring the machine can determine the percentage of each within the mixture.

Where extreme high speed is needed, algorithms, built on detailed analysis of targeted contraband, are being used to shorten the detection time to a fraction usually required. AI generated "shortcuts".

Since there are so many different types of equipment being used, Customs agencies around the world have agreed to standardize the format of these algorithms, so they can share them with each other as new threats and forms of contraband are identified.

The systems are so accurate, they can identify the components of a single pill (in fact pharma manufacturers are beginning to use these for quality control instead of lab analysis.

When contraband is detected in a package it's automatically kicked off the high speed conveyor so customs agents can deal with it. This means agents no longer need to watch a screen as packages pass slowly through an xray machine, and packaging inspection capacity will increase by over 1000 times what's currently possible.

Sample of materials used for testing security scanners. Note they can differentiate between styles of beer.

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Man you’re telling me that I’m gonna have to live in a world where I can’t juice but I still have to deal with tweakers bro what

 

[Blagtheripper]

So after 25,years of banning liquids, gels, or creams over 100ml on aircraft, they're now being allowed not based on the reality these machines can accurately identify the 100+ explosives and hazardous chemicals but on "BS".


View: https://youtu.be/nyG8XAmtYeQ


Relevant portions around 2 minutes and 6 minutes.

I'll add these are low end Dual Energy Computed Tomography machines. The key is two different x-ray energy levels (Dual Energy) are used to scan. which can be compared, revealing the atomic number of the material.

Where fewer are needed, as they mention are used for checked baggage, additional tech like spectral xrays (many different power levels) and backscatter sensors are added to enable even more accurate material detection. For instance, one validation test is mixing a bag of milk powder and sugar, and ensuring the machine can determine the percentage of each within the mixture.

Where extreme high speed is needed, algorithms, built on detailed analysis of targeted contraband, are being used to shorten the detection time to a fraction usually required. AI generated "shortcuts".

Since there are so many different types of equipment being used, Customs agencies around the world have agreed to standardize the format of these algorithms, so they can share them with each other as new threats and forms of contraband are identified.

The systems are so accurate, they can identify the components of a single pill (in fact pharma manufacturers are beginning to use these for quality control instead of lab analysis.

When contraband is detected in a package it's automatically kicked off the high speed conveyor so customs agents can deal with it. This means agents no longer need to watch a screen as packages pass slowly through an xray machine, and packaging inspection capacity will increase by over 1000 times what's currently possible.

Sample of materials used for testing security scanners. Note they can differentiate between styles of beer.

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I do appreciate the video included, it gives a good idea of what the basic function of these things are. Very interesting and simultaneously enraging stuff. EDIT can’t cope smoking ganja and watching Split as I type brb fellas

 

[Ghoul]

I do appreciate the video included, it gives a good idea of what the basic function of these things are. Very interesting and simultaneously enraging stuff.

I decided the topic was too damn complicated to explain in a post, and not worth the effort.

I came across this a couple of days ago, and as you can see, he makes it very understandable.

Without it, a lot of people think accurately identifying specific materials at the molecular level is science fiction, or at best, limited to well equipped research labs, not a high speed conveyor.

This is a huge leap in tech. It won't be long before this is how blood samples will be quickly analyzed and autopsies will be conducted in a matter of minutes without a single incision or sample sent off for analysis.

The bottom line is, the only packages with contraband that will be getting in are those they don't scan. Raws will probably start getting hiked in over the southern border in Pedro's backpack, but I think It'll be a much different scene a year from now.

 

[Blagtheripper]

I decided the topic was too damn complicated to explain in a post, and not worth the effort.

I came across this a couple of days ago, and as you can see, he makes it very understandable.

Without it, a lot of people think accurately identifying specific materials at the molecular level is science fiction, or at best, limited to well equipped research labs, not a high speed conveyor.

This is a huge leap in tech. It won't be long before this is how blood samples will be quickly analyzed and autopsies will be conducted in a matter of minutes without a single incision or sample sent off for analysis.

The bottom line is, the only packages with contraband that will be getting in are those they don't scan. Raws will probably start getting hiked in over the southern border in Pedro's backpack, but I think It'll be a much different scene a year from now.

I blame the ozempic craze

 

[Ghoul]

I blame the ozempic craze

Whatever it is, it's not gear. I don't even think it's fentanyl that's the primary driver.

I think it's the ability to scan packages and automatically impose customs duty (and state sales tax) based on the contents, to the tune of tens of billions of dollars a year.

Drugs are just the excuse for putting this kind of 100% inspection regime in place.

 

[Blagtheripper]

Whatever it is, it's not gear. I don't even think it's fentanyl that's the primary driver.

I think it's the ability to scan packages and automatically impose customs duty (and state sales tax) based on the contents, to the tune of tens of billions of dollars a year.

Drugs are just the excuse for putting this kind of 100% inspection regime in place.

As usual it’s about control. I really do hate the ozempic craze though, it certainly hasn’t helped keep shit under wraps with Celebs going off talking about the shit. One part of me believes that they won’t stop shit from coming in so that they can keep putting fent users on their very own pharma sponsored opioids for that big money, and another part of me thinks that this will be the beginning of an actual worldwide control the likes of which have never been seen before.

 

[jankoch]

So after 25,years of banning liquids, gels, or creams over 100ml on aircraft, they're now being allowed not based on the reality these machines can accurately identify the 100+ explosives and hazardous chemicals but on "BS".

Should be other incentives in introducing these scanners?

I mean if again you can bring your own liquids to airport worldwide would cause a massive drops in airport sales + you need huge initial investments + training people to use the equipments. and we haven't seen terrorist using these liquids as a succesful way to cause harm (based on 25 years). so i dont see why it changes.

What do I don't understand in this equation?

 

[Ghoul]

Should be other incentives in introducing these scanners?

I mean if again you can bring your own liquids to airport worldwide would cause a massive drops in airport sales + you need huge initial investments + training people to use the equipments.

What do I don't understand in this equation?

The equipment is already 100% in place in the UK. The US will need a few years because they're so expensive.

By getting people through security faster there's more time to shop at the stores and eat at the restaurants on the other side.

 

[Lexington]

This guy is just so full of himself… thinking he’s the smartest person around. He really has to bump his threads repeatedly for attention with condescending smug attitude. Unbelievable…

 

[Ghoul]

This guy is just so full of himself… thinking he’s the smartest person around. He really has to bump his threads repeatedly for attention with condescending smug attitude. Unbelievable…

I realize you just got here, do you need an assist getting the ignore button to work properly?

 

[Ateam2023]

Man you’re telling me that I’m gonna have to live in a world where I can’t juice but I still have to deal with tweakers bro what

watch out for them "tweekers" lol they'll get ya every rime

 

[egruberman]

Without it, a lot of people think accurately identifying specific materials at the molecular level is science fiction,

They're still not identifying specific materials at the molecular level. They're identifying the density of a material and the relative absorption of high and low level xrays. Yes, it can be tuned to identify materials, but it can also be defeated. The manufacturer is pretty specific that this device is tuned to identify explosives and is marketed at baggage handling. It's in the name of the products themselves, "Explosives Detection System".

It's quite a large logical leap to presume that this technology will stem the flow of packages into the US any time in the near future. Sure, the de minimis ruling allows for direct shipments of packages to individuals in the US via air freight. At some point, that may be compromised, but that's years away and once compromised we're presuming that the technology can't be defeated or that there aren't alternative ingress routes.

Ultimately, I think the real issue is that importers are avoiding duties, which leads me to wonder whether simply declaring something on the declaration "cosmetics" and paying a nominal duty would avert a great deal of scrutiny.

Here's how I expect it will go:

The TSA in America purchased $700 million of these new machines by Analogic called the conneCT. THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE! They constantly crash and require restarts, are extremely slow, and agents hate them with a passion. I work in aviation, ever since we switched to these awful pieces of garbage lines have doubled at my airport. Smith Machines are featured here and work as expected, but the round white and blue Analogics will ADD anywhere from 10-40 minutes to your security wait. You know it’s bad when I hear TSA agents talk bad about the machines.

 

[Lexington]

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I realize you just got here, do you need an assist getting the ignore button to work properly?

Who are you talking to?

 

[egruberman]

Who are you talking to?

He is addressing you, in text, I might add because you are complaining about his posting habits, asserted that you put him on ignore and yet continue to respond to his posts.

 

[Lexington]

He is addressing you, in text, I might add because you are complaining about his posting habits, asserted that you put him on ignore and yet continue to respond to his posts.

Ohh okay!