Super flat on tren and t3

[Chocodile]

Hey guys I'm a four weeks into a cycle:
Test E 300 per week (kick started with prop 300 per week)

Tren E 600 per week (kick started with Tren A 700 per week)

Dbol 50 per day

The cycle was going well, not alot of weight gain but definitely getting bigger and alot more full. I've got something coming up in a few weeks I wanted to lean down a bit for so I added in some clen @ 30 mcg and t3 @ 30 as well just to start.

I have also scaled back my carbs and total calories a bit starting a few days prior. I dropped 11 lbs in two days! Obviously water weight but holy shit do I look terrible now.

I instantly went from looking full and jacked all day to DYEL mode and couldn't catch a pump to save my life, even with Dbol.

Anyone else have this experience? Anything I can do like add more carbs again maybe? I feel like that would be detrimental to my cut since I wanna lose quite a bit in a short period.

It seems like this has potential to burn alot of fat but I'm already wanting to drop it since I look terrible already.

 

[Docd187123]

Being flat is only temporary. If you can't deal with it drop the T3 and up your carbs.

 

[Izk]

Drop the dbol and Increase carbs, thats just my input.

 

[ironwill1951]

what do you mean by DYEL mode ?

 

[Chocodile]

Being flat is only temporary. If you can't deal with it drop the T3 and up your carbs.

When you say temporary do you mean I will fill back out when I drop the t3? Or while I'm still running it

 

[Chocodile]

what do you mean by DYEL mode ?

"Do you even lift"
Seriously I haven't measured but it looks like I've lost 2 inches in my arms already.

Weighed myself again just now and I was down another 3lbs. I've gone from 211 to 197 in three freaking days. For reference I started the cut around 15% bf

 

[Notits]

what do you mean by DYEL mode ?

DYEL = Do you even lift?

 

[fodsod]

Well tren will peel water off on it's own then you add t3 and clen plus cut carbs. What exactly did you think was going to happen? Carbs bind with water to create muscle fullness. Limited carbs, most likely slight dehydration are taking the toll.

Sounds like you were holding quite a bit a water to start with and if it came off that fast it was most likely making you feel good (tighter shirts) but making you look worse (soft and slightly swollen). I'd suggest to increase water intake by 1/2 gallon per day, add some carbs back in a little at a time and be patient. If you put it back on slowly you can control your look and not side track your cut verses bloating back up trying to fill out your shirt sleeves.

 

[Wunderpus]

Being flat is only temporary. If you can't deal with it drop the T3 and up your carbs.

As Doc suggested, up your carbs. It's possible you're dehydrated, too. Start drinking at minimum 1.5G's of water a day.

 

[SEOINAGE]

It will come back. But like they said you can somewhat reverse what you did. I just deal with being flat for hard cuts so two weeks after I stop my cut and fill back out start looking amazing.

 

[fodsod]

It's really no different than guy screwing up show prep. Make a mistake in calculations and end up flat, panic and over correct bloat up and once it levels out they look great (hard and lean but full). The OP just needs to skip the panic mistake that'll cause bloating and let his system gradually fill back out under his control.

OP, this is an opportunity to learn your body's response to certain conditions and how to manipulate it. It could be very helpful down the line.

 

[Chocodile]

It's really no different than guy screwing up show prep. Make a mistake in calculations and end up flat, panic and over correct bloat up and once it levels out they look great (hard and lean but full). The OP just needs to skip the panic mistake that'll cause bloating and let his system gradually fill back out under his control.

OP, this is an opportunity to learn your body's response to certain conditions and how to manipulate it. It could be very helpful down the line.

Great advice man thank you. I will stick it out just add I bit more carbs for a couple of days and see what happens.

I guess it just caught me off guard since it happened so quickly. I've used clen in the past without much result but this is my first time adding t3 to the mix.

 

[Chocodile]

Should I run clen and t3 all the way up to the event and just carb load in the final week to fill out or drop clen/t3 at some point prior?

 

[fodsod]

Great advice man thank you. I will stick it out just add I bit more carbs for a couple of days and see what happens.

I guess it just caught me off guard since it happened so quickly. I've used clen in the past without much result but this is my first time adding t3 to the mix.

Glad to help. Hopefully it'll work out the way you want. Every time we add something to the mix it get a little more complicated. There's a learning curve on this stuff for all of us.

 

[Docd187123]

When you say temporary do you mean I will fill back out when I drop the t3? Or while I'm still running it

T3 depletes muscle glycogen and running low carbs does the same. Glycogen also holds water so coupled with the above it'll make you look flat. Once you stop the T3 and up your carbs it should help

 

[fodsod]

Should I run clen and t3 all the way up to the event and just carb load in the final week to fill out or drop clen/t3 at some point prior?

Tough call. I always tell guys to be in "ready" condition wise (BF loss) 2 weeks out or sooner so you can drop substances that may complicate water drops/manipulation (clen) or cause system shifts (t3 levels shooting up or dropping).

If you have a need to run it as long as possible then run it right up to and through the event to avoid any system swings (like you just had). You can do a water load/drop and proceed with your carb load as you normally would. There's always the option of doing a water load, stop at 4 days out and cut fluids way down and use small insulin doses to push your loading carbs into the muscles. Just information bro. Use whatever has worked in the past and try to avoid big changes and drastic measures.