SymBiotics (U.S. domestic)

@SymBiotics what does the high shear homogenizer do?

(no homo :D).
Hahaha.
A high shear mixer/homogenizer is basically a high speed rotor/stator device with very tight tolerances between the rotor and stator.
If you have ever seen the impeller for an outboard motor water pump; it is a similar design, except all the parts are stainless steel rather than a rubber impeller.
The impeller (rotor) pulls liquid or colloid matter into a housing and violently expresses it through small holes in the stator to ensure the greatest degree of homogeneity in the mixture.
It makes much less work and more secure homogenizing of my oral suspensions. It will also make the transdermal pain relief cream I am developing possible.
It took a lot of machine work to get this thing right; but, man, it was totally worth it. Sadly, I recently found a used one for probably less than the value of the metal I wasted in building this one :mad:
 
Sym...some people here will become customers of yours but many here will not. The fear of getting wrapped up in a LE dragnet with a case that gets built over time is far too great for the long standing members with experience here to endorse your business...and that endorsement means a lot to many members who are new and old.

Newer members will undoubtedly purchase from you...possibly along with a few members here with some experience and time...but many will watch from afar, distance themselves from anyone giving you the G2G, and maybe alienate those who purchase from you. Your brand appears toxic after "the incident", your disappearance, alleged physical accident with no proof, and some other things that you, for obvious reasons, can't explain because no one including you knows ALL the details about what happened...we can theorize all day and point the finger at you or others but it doesn't prove anything. I have a credible theory but many things just don't add up.
Many people who've been around this forum have watched others close to them and other members on this forum perish from LE entanglement.

People here will not just forget about all the unanswered questions as time passes and you accrue business...No one will let that happen.
There are some simple things you can do to get some trust back and quiet some skeptics with time but you should do them soon...I will list them further below in this post.

I, as much as anyone, want to believe in you and use you as a vendor but it's just to risky for many of us experience with LE and some common sense.
...things just seem fishy with you after what happened...hope you understand my skepticism.

First off, there are a couple strange events that should be addressed if they can.

You dissapeared (understandably)
You show back up to answer questions
You then disappear again do to a freak accident in which you sustain serious injuries (allegedly building your new lab) including a punctured lung of all things and resurface briefly to address what happened.
You disappear again for a good while this time and return with a swiftly built new lab ready to go while massive conjecture about what happened appears all over this thread.

You also built this lab after stating in this thread that your money was tied up because you invested all your available funds in raws just before you disappeared. When you disappeared you were out of business for a good damn while but then you come back with a newly built lab.
How does that make sense?

Can you provide any proof you were in the hospital that does not put you at legal risk?
Pictures of your injuries maybe?
Surgery orders with all identifying information marked out?
Hospital bills with all identifying information marked out?
ANYTHING?
Also...How did you build this lab with no funds?

There's got to be a way to clear this up with some evidence. Speaking from my lengthy misspent youth, you look EXACTLY like someone who has been flipped to become an informant for LE...cover story, with no proof, and all. This is a very basic and typical looking profile of someone who has been forced to work for LE.
This coming from the perspective of someone who was once deeply involved in the criminal underworld and evaded any investigation but watched others go down and flip in the drug trade. I've watched what happens when people flip and it looks verbatim like your situation.
On top of all this...you're the perfect target for someone who got nailed running the kind of operation you're running...you're a family man with a career and EVERYTHING to lose if LE got ahold of you. If you were flipped, you'd have much less to lose by making the decision to turn federal rather than lose everything you've built in your life/career and doing a long prison sentence. You'd be easy to protect as well because you're not tied to a higher organization that would hunt you down...so your insulated against reprisal and no one down the food chain knows your identity.
I'm not saying you got flipped Sym, but if anyone had to take the risk to reward factor into making a decision if they got busted, it would be a no-brainer in your situation.
It looks really really bad Sym.
Can you account for your time away with any proof at all?

If you have a new lab, everyone would be relieved to see pictures of it just like in your introduction. Crumpled up piece of paper with "Meso" and the date with pics. This would "help" also clear up some conjecture about you're current status.
Some people here won't be satiated regardless of what evidence you offer but it would ease all of our minds about some things that just don't "seem right" about your circumstances.

Not trying to give you shit here...I'd like to see your name cleared and keep this board and it's members safe. These questions should be answered so there can be more mutual trust here.

Thanks Sym...I hope you can offer some answers to these questions. I'd like to see a guy like you succeed here so you can retire and live the life you want. If you can not offer sufficient consolation to the members here...well...
 
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That was a beautifully wrapped message you sent there, as a new active user I appreciate that message , makes me really think about the risk to reward ratio in considering him as a vendor. Which I was highly. But you raise many valid points.
 
Sym...some people here will become customers of yours but many here will not. The fear of getting wrapped up in a LE dragnet with a case that gets built over time is far too great for the long standing members with experience here to endorse your business...and that endorsement means a lot to many members who are new and old.

Newer members will undoubtedly purchase from you...possibly along with a few members here with some experience and time...but many will watch from afar, distance themselves from anyone giving you the G2G, and maybe alienate those who purchase from you. Your brand appears toxic after "the incident", your disappearance, alleged physical accident with no proof, and some other things that you, for obvious reasons, can't explain because no one including you knows ALL the details about what happened...we can theorize all day and point the finger at you or others but it doesn't prove anything. I have a credible theory but many things just don't add up.
Many people who've been around this forum have watched others close to them and other members on this forum perish from LE entanglement.

People here will not just forget about all the unanswered questions as time passes and you accrue business...No one will let that happen.
There are some simple things you can do to get some trust back and quiet some skeptics with time but you should do them soon...I will list them further below in this post.

I, as much as anyone, want to believe in you and use you as a vendor but it's just to risky for many of us experience with LE and some common sense.
...things just seem fishy with you after what happened...hope you understand my skepticism.

First off, there are a couple strange events that should be addressed if they can.

You dissapeared (understandably)
You show back up to answer questions
You then disappear again do to a freak accident in which you sustain serious injuries (allegedly building your new lab) including a punctured lung of all things and resurface briefly to address what happened.
You disappear again for a good while this time and return with a swiftly built new lab ready to go while massive conjecture about what happened appears all over this thread.

You also built this lab after stating in this thread that your money was tied up because you invested all your available funds in raws just before you disappeared. When you disappeared you were out of business for a good damn while but then you come back with a newly built lab.
How does that make sense?

Can you provide any proof you were in the hospital that does not put you at legal risk?
Pictures of your injuries maybe?
Surgery orders with all identifying information marked out?
Hospital bills with all identifying information marked out?
ANYTHING?
Also...How did you build this lab with no funds?

There's got to be a way to clear this up with some evidence. Speaking from my lengthy misspent youth, you look EXACTLY like someone who has been flipped to become an informant for LE...cover story, with no proof, and all. This is a very basic and typical looking profile of someone who has been forced to work for LE.
This coming from the perspective of someone who was once deeply involved in the criminal underworld and evaded any investigation but watched others go down and flip in the drug trade. I've watched what happens when people flip and it looks verbatim like your situation.
On top of all this...you're the perfect target for someone who got nailed running the kind of operation you're running...you're a family man with a career and EVERYTHING to lose if LE got ahold of you. If you were flipped, you'd have much less to lose by making the decision to turn federal rather than lose everything you've built in your life/career and doing a long prison sentence. You'd be easy to protect as well because you're not tied to a higher organization that would hunt you down...so your insulated against reprisal and no one down the food chain knows your identity.
I'm not saying you got flipped Sym, but if anyone had to take the risk to reward factor into making a decision if they got busted, it would be a no-brainer in your situation.
It looks really really bad Sym.
Can you account for your time away with any proof at all?

If you have a new lab, everyone would be relieved to see pictures of it just like in your introduction. Crumpled up piece of paper with "Meso" and the date with pics. This would "help" also clear up some conjecture about you're current status.
Some people here won't be satiated regardless of what evidence you offer but it would ease all of our minds about some things that just don't "seem right" about your circumstances.

Not trying to give you shit here...I'd like to see your name cleared and keep this board and it's members safe. These questions should be answered so there can be more mutual trust here.

Thanks Sym...I hope you can offer some answers to these questions. I'd like to see a guy like you succeed here so you can retire and live the life you want. If you can not offer sufficient consolation to the members here...well...
Before I reply, I just want to say thank you for the time you took to write this. The message was informative, real, and respectful. There is no way to not appreciate communication like that.

I know the business potential I had will inevitably suffer permanently from the events from the last 5-6 weeks. It saddens me; but there is a portion of it that will be forever beyond my ability to change. I have no choice but to accept those customers who are lost to me; and move on to do a good job for those who remain.

I don't expect these issues to be forgotten; nor would I want them to. If nothing else, my mistakes and misfortunes may, one day, prevent someone from believing that their online security is completely foolproof. I know my education from this has been invaluable going forward as a customer and/or source.

I will attempt to answer your requests/questions as orderly as possible here while using quote excerpts from your post.

The time line of events is as follows:
  • 9-19: I learned of the shipping oddity and found the unicode drafts in my email; announcement was made and I went silent to try to sort it all out
  • 9-30: I returned with explanations of what I knew about the events
  • 10-2: I answered questions and posted what other information I had
  • 10-3: I fell from a ladder and spent 2 nights in the hospital
  • 10-5: I posted about that accident
  • 10-6: I went back to the hospital
  • 10-8: I posted more and answered more questions
  • 10-9 through 10-27: I focused on recovering and working on my new lab when possible
  • 10-28: I finished moving in and returned to the forum
I know it doesn't seem like any great feat; but I felt accomplished to get it all set back up in that amount of time. A few of those days I did not work at all because of the soreness. There was so much work to be done and so much negative energy in the forum during that time that I elected to work on progressing rather than immersing in the negative conversation. The decision to keep my distance felt right; and I hope that it, in time, proves to be so.

Regarding coming back with a “swiftly built new lab ready to go”: It was not swiftly built, by any means. The basic construction was completed before my source introduction. The vast majority of the expense was already paid for prior to my introduction.

I did use the money made through sales for new raw materials purchase. There will be more about this later.

I finished the lab with the money from my job. I had a relatively large private contract signed shortly after I started selling; so my legitimate finances improved during that time period to allow me to complete the finishing touches. It seems that you could have possibly overlooked my simultaneous legitimate career?

Surgery orders with all identifying information marked out?” There are no surgical orders because I didn't have surgery. My procedures were done in the ER both times.

Pictures of your injuries maybe?” I have a large rib piece with 3 of my children's names in it; and it cannot be cropped out of the area where my scar is.

Hospital bills with all identifying information marked out?” I have a hospital bill on my desk that I marked the ID information out of. I would be happy to send that to you; but I am a more than a bit hesitant to post it in the open. My injuries, dates of injuries and admissions, and my shipping region/state are public knowledge. I feel that posting a bill could possibly narrow down my treatment facility; and then ultimately my identity. I could be being overcautious; but, God, how can I not be now? Would you like for me to email it?

Regarding LE:
I have not had any contact with any agency. Please believe that I have spent countless hours daydreaming of getting that call or knock. I knew that is the risk I assumed when I went for sale; but I sure want to avoid it at all costs.

Regarding “I've watched what happens when people flip and it looks verbatim like your situation.”:
I was having a conversation with someone this morning about this very subject. I know, for certain, that I would not place another person on the tracks to save myself from the train. I know this because it was done to me when I was younger-----not by a stranger either; and it was a betrayal I had never felt before or since. I spent 5 days in county jail: enough time to know that confinement is something I would not wish on any person. I cannot do to someone what I know would hurt me if I were in his place. It is how I am built; and I have been told that me reluctance to self-protect will one day be my downfall. All I can say is that I will fall with dignity when I fall.

Regarding “If you have a new lab, everyone would be relieved to see pictures of it just like in your introduction.”:
My new lab is not a typical structure. The materials, techniques, and design of it are a dead giveaway for anyone who has ever seen something similar. I can't find a way to explain it without a full description; but try to imagine a structure that you could identify by seeing only 2 feet of any interior wall. Now consider that my construction, while secluded and obscured by a working facade, was not invisible to those passing by or to the utility companies. I can't show images of it. I just can't.

I realize that I will lose many people to the fear of legal trouble because of refusal to provide certain things; and that is an acceptable loss for my sanity and security. Ultimately, anyone who would object to my withholding this information would actually be glad I withheld it if they were to ever know what it is that I can't reveal. Heck, I made people angry with the information in my introduction because I “said too much”; so I am very free with my information. So if it gives me pause, then my pause should appeal to those same people that criticized me for the “excess” information I provided earlier.

I have learned that an attempt to please everyone is an absolute exercise in insanity. I'd love to meet all the demands of every member; but I can't. I accept my inability in that regard; and I am determined to be satisfied with my best efforts.

Guys, I really want to keep doing this because I like doing it. The products are good and well made with attention to safety; and I am proud of them. This thing is almost like a child to me; in that, I gave it life from nothing and I am proud of it. It is natural to not want to give up in order to see it mature into something beautiful. With that said, I know it is inanimate; and I can cut my losses if it is necessary. I simply just don't believe it is necessary at this point.

Thank you to whomever has read this reply and thank you again to @OnTheRize for the well written and respectful inquiries.

Please feel free to ask anything of me. I cannot guarantee that I will comply with all requests; but I can vow to give any request genuine consideration.
 
@SymBiotics , don't send your hospital bill man.

Just 1 of your injuries + the date, can significantly narrow you down.

Also, I would remove the information you just posted about your tattoos.

From the darknet busts we know that the feds are working with mass surveillance entities.

And because of Snowden we know that means access to all sorts of databases, I'm sure that includes hospitals.
 
Before I reply, I just want to say thank you for the time you took to write this. The message was informative, real, and respectful. There is no way to not appreciate communication like that.

I know the business potential I had will inevitably suffer permanently from the events from the last 5-6 weeks. It saddens me; but there is a portion of it that will be forever beyond my ability to change. I have no choice but to accept those customers who are lost to me; and move on to do a good job for those who remain.

I don't expect these issues to be forgotten; nor would I want them to. If nothing else, my mistakes and misfortunes may, one day, prevent someone from believing that their online security is completely foolproof. I know my education from this has been invaluable going forward as a customer and/or source.

I will attempt to answer your requests/questions as orderly as possible here while using quote excerpts from your post.

The time line of events is as follows:
  • 9-19: I learned of the shipping oddity and found the unicode drafts in my email; announcement was made and I went silent to try to sort it all out
  • 9-30: I returned with explanations of what I knew about the events
  • 10-2: I answered questions and posted what other information I had
  • 10-3: I fell from a ladder and spent 2 nights in the hospital
  • 10-5: I posted about that accident
  • 10-6: I went back to the hospital
  • 10-8: I posted more and answered more questions
  • 10-9 through 10-27: I focused on recovering and working on my new lab when possible
  • 10-28: I finished moving in and returned to the forum
I know it doesn't seem like any great feat; but I felt accomplished to get it all set back up in that amount of time. A few of those days I did not work at all because of the soreness. There was so much work to be done and so much negative energy in the forum during that time that I elected to work on progressing rather than immersing in the negative conversation. The decision to keep my distance felt right; and I hope that it, in time, proves to be so.

Regarding coming back with a “swiftly built new lab ready to go”: It was not swiftly built, by any means. The basic construction was completed before my source introduction. The vast majority of the expense was already paid for prior to my introduction.

I did use the money made through sales for new raw materials purchase. There will be more about this later.

I finished the lab with the money from my job. I had a relatively large private contract signed shortly after I started selling; so my legitimate finances improved during that time period to allow me to complete the finishing touches. It seems that you could have possibly overlooked my simultaneous legitimate career?

Surgery orders with all identifying information marked out?” There are no surgical orders because I didn't have surgery. My procedures were done in the ER both times.

Pictures of your injuries maybe?” I have a large rib piece with 3 of my children's names in it; and it cannot be cropped out of the area where my scar is.

Hospital bills with all identifying information marked out?” I have a hospital bill on my desk that I marked the ID information out of. I would be happy to send that to you; but I am a more than a bit hesitant to post it in the open. My injuries, dates of injuries and admissions, and my shipping region/state are public knowledge. I feel that posting a bill could possibly narrow down my treatment facility; and then ultimately my identity. I could be being overcautious; but, God, how can I not be now? Would you like for me to email it?

Regarding LE:
I have not had any contact with any agency. Please believe that I have spent countless hours daydreaming of getting that call or knock. I knew that is the risk I assumed when I went for sale; but I sure want to avoid it at all costs.

Regarding “I've watched what happens when people flip and it looks verbatim like your situation.”:
I was having a conversation with someone this morning about this very subject. I know, for certain, that I would not place another person on the tracks to save myself from the train. I know this because it was done to me when I was younger-----not by a stranger either; and it was a betrayal I had never felt before or since. I spent 5 days in county jail: enough time to know that confinement is something I would not wish on any person. I cannot do to someone what I know would hurt me if I were in his place. It is how I am built; and I have been told that me reluctance to self-protect will one day be my downfall. All I can say is that I will fall with dignity when I fall.

Regarding “If you have a new lab, everyone would be relieved to see pictures of it just like in your introduction.”:
My new lab is not a typical structure. The materials, techniques, and design of it are a dead giveaway for anyone who has ever seen something similar. I can't find a way to explain it without a full description; but try to imagine a structure that you could identify by seeing only 2 feet of any interior wall. Now consider that my construction, while secluded and obscured by a working facade, was not invisible to those passing by or to the utility companies. I can't show images of it. I just can't.

I realize that I will lose many people to the fear of legal trouble because of refusal to provide certain things; and that is an acceptable loss for my sanity and security. Ultimately, anyone who would object to my withholding this information would actually be glad I withheld it if they were to ever know what it is that I can't reveal. Heck, I made people angry with the information in my introduction because I “said too much”; so I am very free with my information. So if it gives me pause, then my pause should appeal to those same people that criticized me for the “excess” information I provided earlier.

I have learned that an attempt to please everyone is an absolute exercise in insanity. I'd love to meet all the demands of every member; but I can't. I accept my inability in that regard; and I am determined to be satisfied with my best efforts.

Guys, I really want to keep doing this because I like doing it. The products are good and well made with attention to safety; and I am proud of them. This thing is almost like a child to me; in that, I gave it life from nothing and I am proud of it. It is natural to not want to give up in order to see it mature into something beautiful. With that said, I know it is inanimate; and I can cut my losses if it is necessary. I simply just don't believe it is necessary at this point.

Thank you to whomever has read this reply and thank you again to @OnTheRize for the well written and respectful inquiries.

Please feel free to ask anything of me. I cannot guarantee that I will comply with all requests; but I can vow to give any request genuine consideration.
While I personally don't believe you are working with LE looking to bust small time users, does it concern you at all that LE may be actively trying to catch you? If masterofrons story is true, they were looking for info on you.
 
I really appreciate the detailed response. You seem like a stand up guy and you're respectful. You deserve a respectful inquiry.

There was so much work to be done and so much negative energy in the forum during that time that I elected to work on progressing rather than immersing in the negative conversation.

It may or may not have been a wise move from a business point of view but it's understandable. You'd be scrutinized either way...that's a fact.

I finished the lab with the money from my job. I had a relatively large private contract signed shortly after I started selling; so my legitimate finances improved during that time period to allow me to complete the finishing touches. It seems that you could have possibly overlooked my simultaneous legitimate career?

I know you have a legitimate job. I assumed your time away from here was time recoving from your injuries and you would not be out in the field doing your day to day with a punctured lung...it's a pretty serious injury along with any other injuries you might have acquired.

Surgery orders with all identifying information marked out?” There are no surgical orders because I didn't have surgery. My procedures were done in the ER both times.



Pictures of your injuries maybe?” I have a large rib piece with 3 of my children's names in it; and it cannot be cropped out of the area where my scar is.

The ER would have sent you home with a list of procedures done, your injuries, and medications...regardless, you are right to be wary of any details you might give away in posting this information. I'm not nearly as important as you from a legal standpoint and I've changed my entire writing style for this forum. The "dot, dot, dot" after many sentences is not how I typically write"..." it just covers my tracks if LE wanted to aggregate my data in a case ever...+ I kind of like this style of writing. I've dodged a lot of bullets in the past...mostly out of luck but it taught me that I can never be too careful...ever. I've even lied about my age on meso till I felt comfortable.

Regarding LE:



I have not had any contact with any agency. Please believe that I have spent countless hours daydreaming of getting that call or knock. I knew that is the risk I assumed when I went for sale; but I sure want to avoid it at all costs.



Regarding “I've watched what happens when people flip and it looks verbatim like your situation.”:



I was having a conversation with someone this morning about this very subject. I know, for certain, that I would not place another person on the tracks to save myself from the train. I know this because it was done to me when I was younger-----not by a stranger either; and it was a betrayal I had never felt before or since. I spent 5 days in county jail: enough time to know that confinement is something I would not wish on any person. I cannot do to someone what I know would hurt me if I were in his place. It is how I am built; and I have been told that me reluctance to self-protect will one day be my downfall. All I can say is that I will fall with dignity when I fall.

I do not know how the feds handle people in the AAS trade but I'd assume it's the same as large complex distribution charges in other drug trades. I would look into it and see what you're risking based on other distributors who've been busted, did their time, and explained what happened to them. There has got to be guys somewhere on the web who've been publicly interviewed and can elaborate on the repercussions they faced.

In the world I was in as a kid I saw and heard about a lot of guys who got hit with federal cases for distribution on an operation scale smaller, the same as, or larger than yours...their consequences varied but I can tell you that when the feds are involved, you have no rights and they will put charges on you that don't even make sense.

Only a hardened criminal would do his time out of fear of retribution from his enterprise...and even then he considers taking the plea deal and turning out his compatriots to live in a witsec program for the rest of his life. Believe me...these guys say they'd do their time all over again and NEVER considered turning states evidence but they spent a lot of months considering it from inside a jail cell while their high end lawyers tried to get the best deals possible for prison time. The lawyers never win in a federal DEA case...they just don't.

When all is said and done, the feds will threaten to put your wife in prison for conspiracy charges (believe me, they do that shit even though she's not involved) and make those charges stick...they will threaten to take your kids away from you both and put them in state custody while you both do time do to the unfit environment they'll claim they were raised in and good luck in having relatives fight to get them back...it will take awhile.

You'll lose your career, any future career, all your possessions will be taken by the feds and auctioned off under the the federal drug laws. Properties, house and everything inside it...gone. cars, bank accounts, investments, 401K...gone.

Respectfully, you WILL buckle to this kind of pressure...you'd be an idiot not to cooperate.

I agree with the above posters, especially the idea that the DEA would use you to round up low level guys for a bust...but they would use you for potential information gathering on more connected members, help in bringing down Meso, and bagging other members here for cooperation under less threatening penalties.

If you ever get caught, this is a pretty sweet deal to make all of those charges and consequences disappear Sym...I've seen it over the years. Dealing in this game with the feds as your opponents is an asymmetrical contest.

They say no one is above the law...the government is and the DEA and IRS exercise this power to the fullest extent.

I'm not trying to dishearten you Sym, I just want you to know the worst case scenario here. Don't take my word for it, investigate what I'm saying and see if it is true.

I realize that I will lose many people to the fear of legal trouble because of refusal to provide certain things; and that is an acceptable loss for my sanity and security. Ultimately, anyone who would object to my withholding this information would actually be glad I withheld it if they were to ever know what it is that I can't reveal. Heck, I made people angry with the information in my introduction because I “said too much”; so I am very free with my information. So if it gives me pause, then my pause should appeal to those same people that criticized me for the “excess” information I provided earlier.



I have learned that an attempt to please everyone is an absolute exercise in insanity. I'd love to meet all the demands of every member; but I can't. I accept my inability in that regard; and I am determined to be satisfied with my best efforts.

This is Meso...it has it's flaws but it's the best board I've found hands down. As a source listing on this board, you're going to get RAILED no matter what you say or do. Too much information...not enough information...you will get shit regardless of what you do. You won't please all of the people on here ever, PERIOD! In the Underground forum in particular, you will catch shit regardless of what you say or do...just keep doing what you do, answer questions within your ability, let the members decide on what to do next and let the rest go.

We are juicers and Meso is not filled with compassion...it's a harm reduction board. Our egos are present here and the alpha mentality will always be present in a place where androgens and bodybuilding reside...empathy and sometimes basic dignities don't come in first place here.

I've ignored one member here (wealth of information but think his CNS is damaged and his ego is too much for me to deal with most the time) and made another member butt-hurt when he came at me broing out like a jackass...it's whatever.

Guys, I really want to keep doing this because I like doing it. The products are good and well made with attention to safety; and I am proud of them. This thing is almost like a child to me; in that, I gave it life from nothing and I am proud of it. It is natural to not want to give up in order to see it mature into something beautiful. With that said, I know it is inanimate; and I can cut my losses if it is necessary. I simply just don't believe it is necessary at this point.



I commend you for your diligence regarding your professional disposition and wish you well. Time will tell what happens here with your business. I wish you had more room to provide information regarding your lab but it sounds like you have understandable reasons for not disclosing more. We'll have to wait and see which way the board members go...things could turn around for you somewhat, we'll see.

I will be watching this thread and see what happens.

Best of luck to you in the meantime Sym.
 
Glad to see you back @SymBiotics . However we are gonna need more than your word here amigo. This forum is all about harm reduction. If you don’t want to be ran off the board, I’d highly suggest you start getting creative.

Tattoos near the scar? We’d still like to take a peek. Cover them with some of the wife’s concealer. It’s the least she can do since we never got any tit pics :D:p

Walls too recognizable? Cover what you must with a sheet or some construction paper. Prove to us that what you are saying is true. Coming in with the best lab I’ve ever seen I find it strange and almost completely unbelievable that you would further upgrade into a place that would then render you unable to photograph it.

There are quite a few other variables that we would like to hear about as well.

What is the situation regarding your phone being hacked?

How has this been handled?

What steps have you taken to insure the information leaked won’t come back to harm you?

Would you be willing to send some products to a intermediary to then have tested. Someone the board knows and trusts. I’m sure many are put off by folks claiming infection and improper dosage. This could potentially clear some of that up.

These are just some ideas to help gain some trust back with the community bro and I’m a fucking dumbass. I’m sure you will come up with something with that big brain.
 
The Meso 90IQ braintrust - “Hey @SymBiotics harm reduction is #1 priority!!! Post more personal info so we can rest assured you’re not a DEA kingpin looking to nail 100s of meatheads for buying a vial if test!!!!!!111one!”

Buy or don’t that’s up to you but there is already too much potentially identifiable info in this thread imo.
 
The Meso 90IQ braintrust - “Hey @SymBiotics harm reduction is #1 priority!!! Post more personal info so we can rest assured you’re not a DEA kingpin looking to nail 100s of meatheads for buying a vial if test!!!!!!111one!”

Buy or don’t that’s up to you but there is already too much potentially identifiable info in this thread imo.
"Buy or Don't Buy". This vendor is counting on that attitude to take hold. These guys aren't going to let it get swept under the rug.
That this guy isn't willing to give any ground on anything to me tells me he believes he can outlast the guys not willing to forget what's happened.
If I've learned anything around here its that members are not going to give in to these sources.
He's not important enough to just let him have his way. He doesn't know jack shit about how to handle himself when it comes to customer security.
I'm convinced when he doesn't like the way something sounds or whats asked of him he comfortable lying. He claims to have been ratted on or experienced something in his "Early Years" that made such a lasting impression on him that he can't cooperate with LE. He's "not built that way.". Please. He believes he's slick enough to do things here his way. The only thing he's willing to give us is lip service.
 
The Meso 90IQ braintrust - “Hey @SymBiotics harm reduction is #1 priority!!! Post more personal info so we can rest assured you’re not a DEA kingpin looking to nail 100s of meatheads for buying a vial if test!!!!!!111one!”

Buy or don’t that’s up to you but there is already too much potentially identifiable info in this thread imo.
Harm Reduction as it applies to members. We do not take this sources issues into consideration. He's determined to cut his teeth dealing drugs here. If a dealer has ever burned the spot for himself on meso its this guy.
He's got the lab and equipment. Cost him $500 every 3 months at ab. They've turned over yet another source. There's money to be made. If ever a rebranding was in order this is it.
 
Can’t post pics of scars because of tattoos. Can’t post pics of new lab because of walls. Can’t post discharge instructions or anything medically related. I call bullshit on it all. Dude has an excuse for everything. All this “what a great detailed reply. You are truly an inspiration.” “What a well thought out message, we are so thankful”.

Fucking puah-leeze. I call bullshit on all of it. All the sloppy sweet dialect and all the lies.
 
NewCan’t post pics of scars because of tattoos. Can’t post pics of new lab because of walls. Can’t post discharge instructions or anything medically related. I call bullshit on it all. Dude has an excuse for everything.
Well shit dude post ur tats, house and med docs ducking come on either you take the chance or not but that shit there is plan stupid I got two tats with surgical scars and I won't post them ah shit caught myself making excuses already. He'll we might as well get the dudes ss card
 
Sym is gonna have to do a lot more than he is doing if he wants any credibility after all that has happened.Maybe start with some new lab tests from new finished products and use a reputable lab like Simec in Switzerland.
 
Can’t post pics of scars because of tattoos. Can’t post pics of new lab because of walls. Can’t post discharge instructions or anything medically related. I call bullshit on it all. Dude has an excuse for everything. All this “what a great detailed reply. You are truly an inspiration.” “What a well thought out message, we are so thankful”.

Fucking puah-leeze. I call bullshit on all of it. All the sloppy sweet dialect and all the lies.

^^^^^ This times 1000. It’s ALL a carefully crafted story. He wants us all to believe he’s a Walter White character that wouldn’t do us any harm. It’s all bullshit. He could be a drug addict cooking up shaker meth in a coke bottle in the living room of the trailer and processing oils in the kitchen.

That story won’t sell vials though. So give all those little details to make it seem like he’s innocently fumbling thru steroid sales to provide for his family.

There is no truth here without proof. And conveniently enough any proof would identify him.

The “buy for him or don’t mentality sucks. That kind of complacent attitude goes against MESO. You do that and the power goes to the drug dealer. There’s plenty of sources here that play by OUR rules. We don’t need anyone that wants to play by his own rules. They can go somewhere else.

Don’t believe the bullshit.
 
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