SymBiotics (U.S. domestic)

[CApump]

I do my best not to recommend anything.
I can only tell you what I am doing now and what I am going to try:
Currently, I use my Test cyp 0.6ml on Sundays. My last serum T on this was 831; and I am happy with that. I have been doing that same dose since November 2017.
I want to change to Test U (250mg/ml) 1.8ml every other Sunday. The math for the conversion is all over the place depending on what you read; so I am going with a rough mean of what I have gathered to keep my serum T similar to what it has been.
It will be a pretty good while before I can get reliable blood work on this because I am currently on a gaining cycle and I am injecting all kinds of stuff to test my products before I release them.
I am very glad that I ordered big for most things and won't have to do so many test injections for a while because all these test doses have me chasing my tail with AI dosing.

This week I am injecting Test-U, DHB and primo. I am dreading the DHB because I am a major PIP sissy.

Just a heads up, I made Test U in 50/50 GSO/MCT and based off bloodwork it has no where NEAR a 30 or even 20 day half life. I’d guess maybe 10. It really needs to be in castor oil if you only want to pin 2x a month.

 

[Cha0ticbrah]

Going to be placing a test order in soon! And will slowly start buying my cycle and my buddys cycle!

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Going to be placing a test order in soon! And will slowly start buying my cycle and my buddys cycle!

Great! Keep us updated! This is great stuff! [emoji106]

 

[kdq99]

Great! Keep us updated! This is great stuff! [emoji106]

Lmao

 

[thisguy33]

Good T/A time on 1st order from Sym the other week. Packaging and labeling are really impressive!!

 

[pfdept59]

Well that is kind-of the way it works; but the undecanoate ester makes up a larger portion of your dose than enanthate or cypionate.
There are a few methods I found for my conversion but I don't think any of them are proven.
I will be going from 300mg every 2 weeks of cypionate to 450mg every 2 weeks of undecanoate. It may be over my goal; but I won't know for a good while.
I've never had reason to complain when my serum T was too high lol

I just remember the misery that was my life before I got back to 800+. My doctor said no to TRT at 390. Never ever will I be there again.

If I go on a 3 week trip how should I prepare I use 400 ml per week of test c or e for my TRT

 

[Cityofgrit]

Great! Keep us updated! This is great stuff! [emoji106]

I almost spit my coffee out when I read this lol

 

[Worf]

It is definitely not because I just like it that I try it all.
In all honesty, right before I decided to do this and was still thinking about it, I had a nightmare that I sold someone something and they died from it. It is a little embarrassing to admit being scared of a bad dream as old as I am; but it really shook me. I woke up with my heart pounding and I guess I literally felt how vulnerable people become to another person when they buy black market drugs.
Speaking of which, if I ever find a way to make the liquid clomid not taste so bad, I will definitely implement it. That is the only one that I just hated the taste of. Once it is gone, I may go to capsules only with that one.

Every Ugl liquid clomid tastes like shit

 

[Worf]

Just a heads up, I made Test U in 50/50 GSO/MCT and based off bloodwork it has no where NEAR a 30 or even 20 day half life. I’d guess maybe 10. It really needs to be in castor oil if you only want to pin 2x a month.

How does the carrier oil affect half life? Is there a secret I didn’t know about?

 

[pfdept59]

Just a heads up, I made Test U in 50/50 GSO/MCT and based off bloodwork it has no where NEAR a 30 or even 20 day half life. I’d guess maybe 10. It really needs to be in castor oil if you only want to pin 2x a month.

Did you have your raws tested?Don’t think the carrier oil has anything to do with the half life it is the ester that determines the half life.I don’t think you brewed with testosterone undecanoate raws

 

[BigJ89]

I just remember the misery that was my life before I got back to 800+. My doctor said no to TRT at 390. Never ever will I be there again.

Your life was a misery from low T symptoms?

 

[MaskedLiberty]

How does the carrier oil affect half life? Is there a secret I didn’t know about?

Oil absorption rate...

 

[T&H]

Did you have your raws tested?Don’t think the carrier oil has anything to do with the half life it is the ester that determines the half life.I don’t think you brewed with testosterone undecanoate raws

Looks like in the case of test u, it can with castor being preferred. The below study uses castor and another oil I've never heard of.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/13068485_Intramuscular_injection_of_testosterone_undecanoate_for_the_treatment_of_male_hypogonadism_Phase_I_studies

 

[pfdept59]

Looks like in the case of test u, it can with castor being preferred. The below study uses castor and another oil I've never heard of.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/13068485_Intramuscular_injection_of_testosterone_undecanoate_for_the_treatment_of_male_hypogonadism_Phase_I_studies

Thanks for the article,I stand corrected

 

[JP1979]

If I go on a 3 week trip how should I prepare I use 400 ml per week of test c or e for my TRT

You use 400mg a week for TRT??

 

[pfdept59]

You use 400mg a week for TRT??

Yes,I am trying to gradually lower my dosage but I feel and look so good on 400/week pinning 200 on Monday and 200 on Thursday.Gonna start pinning 3 times per week at 100 and have blood work in 6 weeks.I have zero sides from Test

 

[pfdept59]

You use 400mg a week for TRT??

I guess it is more of a bridge between blasts than TRT,but it has worked well for me

 

[Sven_Northman]

I do my best not to recommend anything.
I can only tell you what I am doing now and what I am going to try:
Currently, I use my Test cyp 0.6ml on Sundays. My last serum T on this was 831; and I am happy with that. I have been doing that same dose since November 2017.
I want to change to Test U (250mg/ml) 1.8ml every other Sunday. The math for the conversion is all over the place depending on what you read; so I am going with a rough mean of what I have gathered to keep my serum T similar to what it has been.
It will be a pretty good while before I can get reliable blood work on this because I am currently on a gaining cycle and I am injecting all kinds of stuff to test my products before I release them.
I am very glad that I ordered big for most things and won't have to do so many test injections for a while because all these test doses have me chasing my tail with AI dosing.

This week I am injecting Test-U, DHB and primo. I am dreading the DHB because I am a major PIP sissy.

Congrats on the new equipment. Nice.

Do you notice any difference in how you feel by the time your next pin comes up dosing only once per week as blood levels decline? I pin twice a week @75mg and would much rather once a week.

I don't know what magic TGI did to his DHB batch 3 before he lost his shit but I get zero pip from it and its 100% MCT. So I'm sure you'll be able to achieve the same result if not better.

How much EO is typically needed to keep the DHB in solution along with the MCT? Curious as I'd like to get more but my body didn't like higher concentrations of EO.

 

[TNotch347]

Looks like in the case of test u, it can with castor being preferred. The below study uses castor and another oil I've never heard of.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/13068485_Intramuscular_injection_of_testosterone_undecanoate_for_the_treatment_of_male_hypogonadism_Phase_I_studies

Didn’t even know tea seed oil was used like that.. but still surprised the castor oil made the difference. I don’t know shit about brewing but I would have lost that bet cause I figured it was the ester, not the oil. Or combo of both.. still lost lol.

 

[justanoob]

I guess it is more of a bridge between blasts than TRT,but it has worked well for me

How long have you been cruising at 400mg a week? Have you been taking any precautionary measures for your health? And have you done any blast in between then?