SymBiotics (U.S. domestic)

[Gbro]

I used to use private MD labs a few years ago like some others were talking about. It’s awfully expensive, especially considering you can just go to any general physician and ask for bloodwork all while having the visit and bloods covered by insurance.

I personally just went to a local GP and told him what I was taking and that I wanted to look after my health while I did it. They are legally obligated to help you in this regard. Are people afraid to tell their doctor what they’re doing? I don’t see why most people don’t do this.

According to Federal Confidentiality Laws, the confidentiality regulations that pertain to drug treatment were first enacted in a concentrated effort to encourage substance abusers to seek help. It was suspected that a substance abuser or addict would be more likely to seek out and enter a treatment program if the details of their use were kept confidential, and this theory has proven true.

1. It’s a Legal Concept: The doctor-patient privilege is a nationally recognized legal concept. It protects what a patient and their doctor discuss from being used against the patient in a court of law, even if the patient confesses to a crime.
2. It’s About Help: Physician-patient privilege is built around the idea of building trust. It’s accepted that for a physician to fully treat a patient, the patient must trust the doctor enough to discuss everything, no matter how uncomfortable.
3. It Has Limits: The Federal Rules of Evidence (U.S.) does not recognize the physician-patient privilege in criminal matters. At a state level, the concept has limits based on the laws of applicable For example, the state of Texas limits doctor-patient privilege to civil cases and constricts its applicability in criminal proceedings.
4. Doctors Must Adhere to Ethics: The Hippocratic oath has been binding since the 6thCentury B.C., but it’s by no means outdated. A modern version exists, and doctors take it. The oath serves as a sort of moral guide, and medical practitioners must abide by a code of ethics. While doctor’s view patient-physician confidentiality as a fundamental tenet of their code of ethics, they are bound to abide by it within the constraints of the law.

Lmao

Your doctor is not legally obligated to run tests to support illegal drug use.

Going to the doctor doesn't make it "free". You still have to pay the deductible.

Most insurance is not going to cover hormone panel testing without justification.

 

[JC Grifter]

Lmao

Your doctor is not legally obligated to run tests to support illegal drug use.

Going to the doctor doesn't make it "free". You still have to pay the deductible.

Most insurance is not going to cover hormone panel testing without justification.

Exactly lol. Most doctors would show you the door and invite you to go find a new doctor. There’s some out there that would be ok with this, but it’s the very small minority

 

[notdeadYET]

I used to use private MD labs a few years ago like some others were talking about. It’s awfully expensive, especially considering you can just go to any general physician and ask for bloodwork all while having the visit and bloods covered by insurance.

I personally just went to a local GP and told him what I was taking and that I wanted to look after my health while I did it. They are legally obligated to help you in this regard. Are people afraid to tell their doctor what they’re doing? I don’t see why most people don’t do this.

According to Federal Confidentiality Laws, the confidentiality regulations that pertain to drug treatment were first enacted in a concentrated effort to encourage substance abusers to seek help. It was suspected that a substance abuser or addict would be more likely to seek out and enter a treatment program if the details of their use were kept confidential, and this theory has proven true.

1. It’s a Legal Concept: The doctor-patient privilege is a nationally recognized legal concept. It protects what a patient and their doctor discuss from being used against the patient in a court of law, even if the patient confesses to a crime.
2. It’s About Help: Physician-patient privilege is built around the idea of building trust. It’s accepted that for a physician to fully treat a patient, the patient must trust the doctor enough to discuss everything, no matter how uncomfortable.
3. It Has Limits: The Federal Rules of Evidence (U.S.) does not recognize the physician-patient privilege in criminal matters. At a state level, the concept has limits based on the laws of applicable For example, the state of Texas limits doctor-patient privilege to civil cases and constricts its applicability in criminal proceedings.
4. Doctors Must Adhere to Ethics: The Hippocratic oath has been binding since the 6thCentury B.C., but it’s by no means outdated. A modern version exists, and doctors take it. The oath serves as a sort of moral guide, and medical practitioners must abide by a code of ethics. While doctor’s view patient-physician confidentiality as a fundamental tenet of their code of ethics, they are bound to abide by it within the constraints of the law.

We've got ourselves a barracks lawyer.

 

[SymBiotics]

I have to report an error I made last week:

There are 16 vials of EQ in GSO that were incorrectly labeled at 500mg/ml. A customer emailed me to inquire about his labels yesterday.
I haven't ever offered the 500mg/ml; but I was planning to try it in the future after many requests.

I had finished drawing the label and I saved it; but it was saved as my 300mg/ml label. I guess I selected "yes" when I was asked if I wanted to overwrite the existing label. I printed from that file and applied the 500mg labels in error.

If anyone has one of these vials, please contact me and I will send you new labels, new product, or a refund for the cost of the EQ with the incorrect concentration on the label.

The EQ is the same EQ that I have had for a few weeks and the same one that was tested recently. I just ran out of labels and mistakenly printed the newer label for which a product does not yet exist.

All of my current EQ is only at 300mg/ml. I do not have 500mg/ml.
I apologize for this mistake.

 

[Chmewy]

Do most people tend to go with GSO over MCT oils? Or other way around? Or 50/50, I know it’s not like there’s fucking studies and surveys out there, I’m not looking for a factual number.
just wondering for experienced AAS people who have experience with both types, which one you like more?/why?

GSO, I dunno but my body don’t react well to MCT the 2 times I used it

 

[Villain]

I have to report an error I made last week:

There are 16 vials of EQ in GSO that were incorrectly labeled at 500mg/ml. A customer emailed me to inquire about his labels yesterday.
I haven't ever offered the 500mg/ml; but I was planning to try it in the future after many requests.

I had finished drawing the label and I saved it; but it was saved as my 300mg/ml label. I guess I selected "yes" when I was asked if I wanted to overwrite the existing label. I printed from that file and applied the 500mg labels in error.

If anyone has one of these vials, please contact me and I will send you new labels, new product, or a refund for the cost of the EQ with the incorrect concentration on the label.

The EQ is the same EQ that I have had for a few weeks and the same one that was tested recently. I just ran out of labels and mistakenly printed the newer label for which a product does not yet exist.

All of my current EQ is only at 300mg/ml. I do not have 500mg/ml.
I apologize for this mistake.

Thanks for your transparency on this.

 

[Logan44551]

@SymBiotics any update on DNP restock?

 

[Broskie]

Lmao

Your doctor is not legally obligated to run tests to support illegal drug use.

Going to the doctor doesn't make it "free". You still have to pay the deductible.

Most insurance is not going to cover hormone panel testing without justification.

Your GP is not supposed to allow drug seeking behavior. For example asking for prescriptions. But when you are seeking to improve your health because of your drug habits while you work on alternatives with coping through other means, it would be a very big no-no for a physician to show you the door. In many cases you can take legal action especially so when your intentions are far from drug seeking and more towards help.

Depending on your insurance, some things don’t have deductibles. I have a flat and cheap co-pay. So I speak for myself.

I have never heard of a general panel test of any kind, hormonal or not, requiring pre-authorizations. Testosterone, estrogen, igf-1, and HGH are all normal panels to run. Your insurance would have to be fickle as fuck to jew you over all the way down to your bloodwork with a pre-authorization. They usually fuck you over somewhere else.

I’ve probably had ~15 comprehensive panels done, depending on the test spent no more than 150$ for each full test which includes 3-4 full panels each and some specifics like GH and igf-1. On privatemdlabs that’s over 550$ in bloodwork.

Remember that doctors have some the highest substance abuse rates of most educated professionals. I think they understand the concept well enough. Why would they turn you down? You’re a patient who won’t need to be in a visit for more than 10-15 minutes at a time and you’re not bothering them for prescriptions. You’re easy money for them. A PED user is a far more tolerable patient then lets say, a painkiller junkie. Now as soon as you ask them for an aromatase inhibitor or something of the like, then they can tell you to fuck off.

 

[Gbro]

Your GP is not supposed to allow drug seeking behavior. For example asking for prescriptions. But when you are seeking to improve your health because of your drug habits while you work on alternatives with coping through other means, it would be a very big no-no for a physician to show you the door. In many cases you can take legal action especially so when your intentions are far from drug seeking and more towards help.

Depending on your insurance, some things don’t have deductibles. I have a flat and cheap co-pay. So I speak for myself.

I have never heard of a general panel test of any kind, hormonal or not, requiring pre-authorizations. Testosterone, estrogen, igf-1, and HGH are all normal panels to run. Your insurance would have to be fickle as fuck to jew you over all the way down to your bloodwork with a pre-authorization. They usually fuck you over somewhere else.

I’ve probably had ~15 comprehensive panels done, depending on the test spent no more than 150$ for each full test which includes 3-4 full panels each and some specifics like GH and igf-1. On privatemdlabs that’s over 550$ in bloodwork.

You're in complete fantasy land with that entire post. 99% of physicians will show you the door. And insurance companies do not routinely cover comprehensive hormone panels. That's reality.

 

[Broskie]

You're in complete fantasy land with that entire post. 99% of physicians will show you the door. And insurance companies do not routinely cover comprehensive hormone panels. That's reality.

Well if it is a fantasy land, then I guess I’m living in it? I’m part of the 1%?

Insurance thing aside, being that insurance varies so wildly, I think you grossly underestimate the number of physicians who would be willing to help. You are of no legal risk to them.

Being shown the door 99% of the time would imply that there are legal limitations that urge a physician to refuse a patient. I’ve not heard of them, nor experienced it.

 

[FattyMcFatterson]

Hump day is history now. I hope it has been a good work week thus far for everyone. I'm excited to finally get to sleep tonight before 3AM. Goodnight to you all.

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@SymBiotics you used to have liquid Anadrol at 50mg/ml. Do you plan to bring it back? Do you know when?

 

[JP1979]

Your GP is not supposed to allow drug seeking behavior. For example asking for prescriptions. But when you are seeking to improve your health because of your drug habits while you work on alternatives with coping through other means, it would be a very big no-no for a physician to show you the door. In many cases you can take legal action especially so when your intentions are far from drug seeking and more towards help.

Depending on your insurance, some things don’t have deductibles. I have a flat and cheap co-pay. So I speak for myself.

I have never heard of a general panel test of any kind, hormonal or not, requiring pre-authorizations. Testosterone, estrogen, igf-1, and HGH are all normal panels to run. Your insurance would have to be fickle as fuck to jew you over all the way down to your bloodwork with a pre-authorization. They usually fuck you over somewhere else.

I’ve probably had ~15 comprehensive panels done, depending on the test spent no more than 150$ for each full test which includes 3-4 full panels each and some specifics like GH and igf-1. On privatemdlabs that’s over 550$ in bloodwork.

Remember that doctors have some the highest substance abuse rates of most educated professionals. I think they understand the concept well enough. Why would they turn you down? You’re a patient who won’t need to be in a visit for more than 10-15 minutes at a time and you’re not bothering them for prescriptions. You’re easy money for them. A PED user is a far more tolerable patient then lets say, a painkiller junkie. Now as soon as you ask them for an aromatase inhibitor or something of the like, then they can tell you to fuck off.

I don’t know what PrivateMDlabs your using but I run all the test I need for like 190 and don’t have to explain to my doc why I want it and why my levels are all jacked up. Not to mention that Its not in my med file if anything were to ever happen and have my insurance be like “ahhh fuck no”

 

[Broskie]

I don’t know what PrivateMDlabs your using but I run all the test I need for like 190 and don’t have to explain to my doc why I want it and why my levels are all jacked up. Not to mention that Its not in my med file if anything were to ever happen and have my insurance be like “ahhh fuck no”

Go to their site, lookup

CBC w differential/platelet
Comp metabolic panel
Lipid panel
Thyroid panel
LH and FSH
Testosterone free/total
DHT
Estrogen panel
HGH
IGF-1
SHGB

This is the best snapshot of your current condition you can get while you’re taking PEDs. Let me know how much that’ll cost you. Of course you don’t need to do ALL of that every time, prolactin I’ve only tested once. You can cut other tests too BUT I prefer to know what’s going on with my body and I barely pay anything going through a local GP w/insurance so I don’t care to cut any of the tests but prolactin.

When you tell your doctor something in confidence, if they leak that information to other parties you can take legal recourse. HIIPA works overtime in this regard. It’s especially dangerous for a physician to discriminate healthcare based on drug history or concurrent use. Or if they leak information that would cause discrimination by lets say, insurance companies.

 

[Broskie]

Anyways, all I really wanted to say is that there are many of you who can get these tests done and pay much less. I didn’t feel like paying more than I had to and it was very easy to seek professional help.

Maybe your insurance sucks, maybe you’re afraid to admit drug use to a physician even though that is perfectly fine and protected by law, idk what it is, but some people here can definitely save a good chunk of money going about bloodwork another way.

I just wanted to make that point known. I’ve easily saved 4-5,000$ in bloodwork tests over the years all the while getting a fully comprehensive view of how my body is operating while I navigate PED use.

 

[Gbro]

Go to their site, lookup

CBC w differential/platelet
Comp metabolic panel
Lipid panel
Thyroid panel
LH and FSH
Testosterone free/total
DHT
Estrogen panel
HGH
IGF-1
SHGB

This is the best snapshot of your current condition you can get while you’re taking PEDs. Let me know how much that’ll cost you. Of course you don’t need to do ALL of that every time, prolactin I’ve only tested once. You can cut other tests too BUT I prefer to know what’s going on with my body and I barely pay anything going through a local GP w/insurance so I don’t care to cut any of the tests but prolactin.

When you tell your doctor something in confidence, if they leak that information to other parties you can take legal recourse. HIIPA works overtime in this regard. It’s especially dangerous for a physician to discriminate healthcare based on drug history or concurrent use. Or if they leak information that would cause discrimination by lets say, insurance companies.

Are you looking those up as individual tests? You can get all of that in a single panel.

 

[Broskie]

Are you looking those up as individual tests? You can get all of that in a single panel.

There’s one panel that has most of those for ~200$
It’s missing some of the tests I mentioned which would push it over 300$

 

[JP1979]

Go to their site, lookup

CBC w differential/platelet
Comp metabolic panel
Lipid panel
Thyroid panel
LH and FSH
Testosterone free/total
DHT
Estrogen panel
HGH
IGF-1
SHGB

This is the best snapshot of your current condition you can get while you’re taking PEDs. Let me know how much that’ll cost you. Of course you don’t need to do ALL of that every time, prolactin I’ve only tested once. You can cut other tests too BUT I prefer to know what’s going on with my body and I barely pay anything going through a local GP w/insurance so I don’t care to cut any of the tests but prolactin.

When you tell your doctor something in confidence, if they leak that information to other parties you can take legal recourse. HIIPA works overtime in this regard. It’s especially dangerous for a physician to discriminate healthcare based on drug history or concurrent use. Or if they leak information that would cause discrimination by lets say, insurance companies.

I get all these minus DHT, HGH, SHGB but I add prolactin depending.... no prolactin I’m like 140.

 

[JP1979]

Anyway. I prefer to keep it out of my medical file.

 

[movingiron88]

Anyways, all I really wanted to say is that there are many of you who can get these tests done and pay much less. I didn’t feel like paying more than I had to and it was very easy to seek professional help.

Maybe your insurance sucks, maybe you’re afraid to admit drug use to a physician even though that is perfectly fine and protected by law, idk what it is, but some people here can definitely save a good chunk of money going about bloodwork another way.

I just wanted to make that point known. I’ve easily saved 4-5,000$ in bloodwork tests over the years all the while getting a fully comprehensive view of how my body is operating while I navigate PED use.

Hold on you think your doctor cant share your medical records with your insurance provider? Please tell me you are joking. Especially since you are acting like you are educated on this matter.

 

[Broskie]

I get all these minus DHT, HGH, SHGB but I add prolactin depending.... no prolactin I’m like 140.

Hormone panel with f&t test SHGB and thyroid 230$

Lipid
CBC
COMP MET
LH
FSH
Test
Thyroid
SHGB
Estradiol

Now add
igf-1
GH serum
DHT
Prolactin
PSA

A full checkup gets very costly.
Occasional check ins are in the 100-150$ range.

What do I pay? A 10$ copayment for the office visit, and about a 150$ bill for the ENTIRE checkup. Less tests for a casual mid cycle check, more like 35$.