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Hold on you think your doctor cant share your medical records with your insurance provider? Please tell me you are joking. Especially since you are acting like you are educated on this matter.

It sounds like he’s got a cool and understanding doctor. When I was a drunk 10 years ago, my doctor left that off of my medical records for me. He knew I had a problem, I knew I had a problem. Insurance didn’t need to know. Some doctors are more willing to do things than others.
 
Hold on you think your doctor cant share your medical records with your insurance provider? Please tell me you are joking. Especially since you are acting like you are educated on this matter.
Can Doctors Share Patient Information Without Permission? - FindLaw

Yes some medical records can also be released to insurance without permission because of their financial involvement.

If you’re dumb enough to write it down on the new patient form, sure that can be shared. When you verbalize your concerns in confidence they won’t document it unless they believe it’s necessary to continue care.

Can I tell my doctor I smoke weed?
I’d recommend this to take a quick read through.
 
It sounds like he’s got a cool and understanding doctor. When I was a drunk 10 years ago, my doctor left that off of my medical records for me. He knew I had a problem, I knew I had a problem. Insurance didn’t need to know. Some doctors are more willing to do things than others.

Exactly this. All you need to do is verbalize your concerns, don’t put them in writing. Docs are either working for the money, or because they want to help people, or a combination of the two. Either way, they don’t give a flying fuck what drugs you take so long as you’re not drug seeking. A doctor who notoriously goes out of their way to report and record patients seeking help in confidence will get chastised. They have absolutely 0 motivation to record anything you told them not to.
 
Do most people tend to go with GSO over MCT oils? Or other way around? Or 50/50, I know it’s not like there’s fucking studies and surveys out there, I’m not looking for a factual number.
just wondering for experienced AAS people who have experience with both types, which one you like more?/why?
I have always used GSO for the past 10 years but now have just tried MCT in Symbiotics gear. At first MCT gave me mild pip but after pinning everyday. By the end of week 1 theres no longer any pip whatsoever.
I have had worse PIP by far with GSO other times. Naturally it depends how you pin. Dont move the syringe and stay steady and go slow.
I found that MCT pushes much smoother and I am able to use a 27 gauge at 1 and 1/4 and also 25 gauge without having to push the plunger very hard down. Just again..it pushes fast so dont go to fast.
I greatly enjoy MCT being much less viscosity and easier to push at times.
 
Dang I took off for 10 days moving and havnt got online...holy shit what another fun meso shit storm! I've been seeing drama for years about Kim and TGI and blahblah..I literally made some popcorn and had fun reading through 20 pages of grown men keyboard battling @Oldschool Haha
Ok so now back to actual noteworthy conduciveness for Syms UGL thread? Lol

...Symbiotics has taken testing and contributing to the community above and beyond and the two shouldn’t be referred to as the “same” imo.

I am on Sym’s gear as well. I’m sorta of a connoisseur. Stans primo, Sym’s tren, Pcom test and proviron and a member who I won’t name var suspension. At the time Sym didn’t have primo. I hope by seeing that I’m a gear whore that you understand I’m not here pulling for Sym. Was just giving credit where it’s due.

Agreed...I've had several orders from Stan befor when he was private and had no complaints other than his gear and communication can have a long TA...but the gear was great. Granted that was over a year ago and thinks can certainly change.

But i am a type of connoisseur myself.
And Sym has gone above and beyond from what I've seen from most other UGLs in contribution to the community and how he handles buisness...and I've had some problems with bitcoin and delivery address..which he helped me.
So currently running Syms Tren and Test and Dbol.. the gainz have been great..gone from 175 to 190 in 3 weeks. Probably a little bit of water weight. But sure feeling strong. Got my working bench press sets back to 265. So my collar bone and shoulder injury hasn't been holding me back!
 
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I have to report an error I made last week:

There are 16 vials of EQ in GSO that were incorrectly labeled at 500mg/ml. A customer emailed me to inquire about his labels yesterday.
I haven't ever offered the 500mg/ml; but I was planning to try it in the future after many requests.

I had finished drawing the label and I saved it; but it was saved as my 300mg/ml label. I guess I selected "yes" when I was asked if I wanted to overwrite the existing label. I printed from that file and applied the 500mg labels in error.

If anyone has one of these vials, please contact me and I will send you new labels, new product, or a refund for the cost of the EQ with the incorrect concentration on the label.

The EQ is the same EQ that I have had for a few weeks and the same one that was tested recently. I just ran out of labels and mistakenly printed the newer label for which a product does not yet exist.

All of my current EQ is only at 300mg/ml. I do not have 500mg/ml.
I apologize for this mistake.

Love the integrity. Good work, sir.
 
I used to use private MD labs a few years ago like some others were talking about. It’s awfully expensive, especially considering you can just go to any general physician and ask for bloodwork all while having the visit and bloods covered by insurance.

I personally just went to a local GP and told him what I was taking and that I wanted to look after my health while I did it. They are legally obligated to help you in this regard. Are people afraid to tell their doctor what they’re doing? I don’t see why most people don’t do this.

According to Federal Confidentiality Laws, the confidentiality regulations that pertain to drug treatment were first enacted in a concentrated effort to encourage substance abusers to seek help. It was suspected that a substance abuser or addict would be more likely to seek out and enter a treatment program if the details of their use were kept confidential, and this theory has proven true.
  1. It’s a Legal Concept: The doctor-patient privilege is a nationally recognized legal concept. It protects what a patient and their doctor discuss from being used against the patient in a court of law, even if the patient confesses to a crime.
  2. It’s About Help: Physician-patient privilege is built around the idea of building trust. It’s accepted that for a physician to fully treat a patient, the patient must trust the doctor enough to discuss everything, no matter how uncomfortable.
  3. It Has Limits: The Federal Rules of Evidence (U.S.) does not recognize the physician-patient privilege in criminal matters. At a state level, the concept has limits based on the laws of applicable For example, the state of Texas limits doctor-patient privilege to civil cases and constricts its applicability in criminal proceedings.
  4. Doctors Must Adhere to Ethics: The Hippocratic oath has been binding since the 6thCentury B.C., but it’s by no means outdated. A modern version exists, and doctors take it. The oath serves as a sort of moral guide, and medical practitioners must abide by a code of ethics. While doctor’s view patient-physician confidentiality as a fundamental tenet of their code of ethics, they are bound to abide by it within the constraints of the law.
Thats a great idea if you have insurance....and then a dr that understands all the bloodwork required pre cycle mid and post.
Then a dr that can convince the insurance company why u need it all.
Then try finding a dr that actually understands why you need a metabolic, lipid psa, prolactin, dhea, shbg an e2 sensitive, total test, and free test panel in order to know exactly where you are at bio chemically....
99% cant get a simple TRT protocol right.
 
Well if it is a fantasy land, then I guess I’m living in it? I’m part of the 1%?

Insurance thing aside, being that insurance varies so wildly, I think you grossly underestimate the number of physicians who would be willing to help. You are of no legal risk to them.

Being shown the door 99% of the time would imply that there are legal limitations that urge a physician to refuse a patient. I’ve not heard of them, nor experienced it.
What tests do you get...
can you post up a complete one?
 
Thats a great idea if you have insurance....and then a dr that understands all the bloodwork required pre cycle mid and post.
Then a dr that can convince the insurance company why u need it all.
Then try finding a dr that actually understands why you need a metabolic, lipid psa, prolactin, dhea, shbg an e2 sensitive, total test, and free test panel in order to know exactly where you are at bio chemically....
99% cant get a simple TRT protocol right.

All you need is an understanding doc with a very simple understanding of human 101 endocrinology. Even that isn’t necessary.

Also what’s with you guys saying the Dr. needs to convince insurance or this pre-auth stuff? The doctor doesn’t need to approve shit for bloodwork. All he does is print you a lab requisition form and you do the rest. I don’t have a clue what garbage insurance you guys have, but mine isn’t the greatest thing either and I still get bloodwork coverage by my insurance, NEVER a question asked and I never wait for the Dr. to get insurance approval first. I walk straight out of his office and to a labcorp. I get a bill from labcorp through the mail 4-5 days later showing my what labcorp charged, what my insurance took care of in adjustments, and what I owed after it’s all said and done. Never once has my Dr ever picked up a phone to call my insurance, and never has my insurance called me.

You want to know how my GP visit went the very first time?

“Hello Dr. Whoever, I called in for X reason but really I wanted to discuss some concerns I have. After agreeing to discuss in confidence and addressing that what we discuss won’t be written in post visit records. I then disclosed my PED use, admitting that I am choosing not to discontinue my use knowing the potential downsides. He said ok and asked me what my concerns were. I told him I wanted a physician to monitor my health while I took PEDs. I said I had concerns regarding lipids and estrogen and would like him to oblige me with labwork to allow me to better take care of myself while I figure out a way to come off. He said ok that’s fine, and we walked over to his computer and he ASKED ME what labs I wanted ordered that concerned me. I read him my list and stated I was only truly concerned over a handful of tests, but the rest were to be sure everything was in order health wise. He printed me my lab acquisition form and I left his office and drew blood on the same day, less than 20 minutes for the entire visit.

I didn’t ask him to take over my self imposed “HRT”, most GP are just that, “general”. I wouldn’t trust them to take over managing my drug use.

A person like me is the easiest money he ever makes in his entire life. 150$ In network visit that is covered by insurance (which guarantees he gets paid) for him to tap on a keyboard for 2 minutes and then chat for 5-10 minutes and send me on my way. I’m not asking him for prescriptions, he doesn’t care. He wants to HELP. He’s around to help people. If a cocaine addict walks into that same office and voices concerns over neurological side effects, he’s going to take care of you. He cannot criminalize you, it’s a conflict of interest in his duty as a health care practitioner to do his best in moving you towards better health. Criminalizing you has the opposite effect. As well as being protected by law.

I don’t get this fear mongering about leaking information or doctors being some secret part of law enforcement out to jail druggies. That’s utter bullshit, and if you think authorities care enough about a petty, nobody user who’s seeking help, then you surely do think too highly of yourself. You’re not worth it on the garbage budgets they work with.

but fine, maybe I’m the luckiest man in the U.S., maybe I’m a retard know-it-all, maybe I have a good grasp of reality to understand how the world works around me. Either way, it works for me and it’s worked for others I know.

I’ll live my life and you live yours.
 
What tests do you get...
can you post up a complete one?
Sure I can post my bloods from my very first visit. Decent chunk of tests and I hadn’t been able to tune into my dosing so a lot of my values are a little out there. Should be interesting to look through AND it should be a good reference for those of you to see why bloodwork is necessary.
 
Who’s hgh and what dose we’re you running? Great numbers!

Serostim at ~6-7IU. Somewhere 2.5-3 hours before blood draw. Usually I would take 10IU to test it’s serum and igf-1 conversion, but for some reason I only had 6-7IU at the time so I just pinned whatever was left in the bottle I was using. Forgot to reconstitute a new vial in preparation for that mornings test
 
Can Doctors Share Patient Information Without Permission? - FindLaw

Yes some medical records can also be released to insurance without permission because of their financial involvement.

If you’re dumb enough to write it down on the new patient form, sure that can be shared. When you verbalize your concerns in confidence they won’t document it unless they believe it’s necessary to continue care.

Can I tell my doctor I smoke weed?
I’d recommend this to take a quick read through.

Dumb Question probably. Is THC tested on a Hormone Panel?
 
Since THC regulates Testosterone, Epi-Testosterone, Nor-Testosterone, 19-nor-stat-epi-estrodial and 17-alpha Prolactin, yes, obviously. You should know this, bro!

Well I’m fucked then? It’s usually a phone call, they want me in for a visit. Guess it’s up to the Doc if they tell my Insurance Provider, or discontinue TRT? This Blows
 
Well I’m fucked then? It’s usually a phone call, they want me in for a visit. Guess it’s up to the Doc if they tell my Insurance Provider, or discontinue TRT? This Blows
Is a urinalysis included with the bloodwork?
If that’s included then you might have some red flags.
 
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