SymBiotics (U.S. domestic)

[Throwback]

To try to help clear things up for everyone. I was on 50mg every day. Effectively 4 times your dose.

BUT, I genuinely cannot remember being on testosterone at that time. All I remember taking was EQ at 600 or 800mg a week. I know that I have never pinned more than 1 substance per cycle. So besides my first two test only cycles. I run cycles like Deca only with clomid, EQ only with clomid, etc. a personal choice to see how I respond to compounds by themselves.

HOWEVER, I was pinning test undecanoate my second cycle so there’s a possibility I hadn’t waited long enough for a cycle of that ester to clear my system. In all honesty that could be the reason it’s testing so high here.

IMO clomid does help keep me from shutting down on cycle. Keeps the boys from shrinking and it feels a little firmer too. I’m sure if fertility was a concern clomid would help.

I’m currently off cycle for 2 months and still on clomid. I could get bloods to see how high my testosterone is now. As others have said, it’s anecdotal.

It would be interesting to see again.
lol
Profesional pin cushion?
Likely the undercanoate was still kicking a bit since its half life is like linger than ive been alive.
lol
Still i find a clomid and 1 compound cycle an interesting thing.

You seem like you know your shit enough but I can’t imagine all that Clomid being good for you. That is a rough fuckin chemical with harsh long term effects. I know a guy who took 100mg a day for 6moths and has the little black fish squiggly looking things in his eyes and blurred vision seeing spots, he got bad acne and horrible mood swings. I dunno just wanted to throw that out there, if your not aware do some research on it, definetly good for pct but that’s as far as I go. Just my opinion.

You seem like you know your shit enough but I can’t imagine all that Clomid being good for you. That is a rough fuckin chemical with harsh long term effects. I know a guy who took 100mg a day for 6moths and has the little black fish squiggly looking things in his eyes and blurred vision seeing spots, he got bad acne and horrible mood swings. I dunno just wanted to throw that out there, if your not aware do some research on it, definetly good for pct but that’s as far as I go. Just my opinion.

You're right about Clomid and horrible sides over time.
Exactly as you describe.

 

[Throwback]

Meet Akari lool

Dobo Moray Gahto for
Akari

 

[SymBiotics]

@SymBiotics any update on DNP restock?

Yes, it is ready.

 

[SymBiotics]

@SymBiotics you used to have liquid Anadrol at 50mg/ml. Do you plan to bring it back? Do you know when?

I will have it probably in the next couple of weeks.
I beleive I am actually going to discontinue capsules in Anadrol, Anavar, and Dianabol since the liquids are in much greater demand. It will free up a lot of time for me.
Anavar will likely go to one offering in the liquid form at 20mg/ml.

 

[SymBiotics]

So I've been receiving emails all day from everyone I pay money too (bills) advising me and telling me how they are trying to help us during these difficult times with the Coronavirus issue. My question is when is @SymBiotics going to send me an email to tell me what proactive steps he is taking to ensure that he is helping “flatten the curve” of infection growth.

This whole Covid-19 garbage just makes me embarrassed to be part of society.
It truly seems like the majority of our country consists of people who will not survive if McDonalds shuts down.

 

[FattyMcFatterson]

I will have it probably in the next couple of weeks.
I beleive I am actually going to discontinue capsules in Anadrol, Anavar, and Dianabol since the liquids are in much greater demand. It will free up a lot of time for me.
Anavar will likely go to one offering in the liquid form at 20mg/ml.

Next couple of weeks? Can you make it like next week or next couple of days? Just kidding, but seriously.

 

[johnnybravel22]

These ok? or?

Yes. Dems nice titties right thar...I could eat my chicken n rice off them titties

 

[Broskie]

It would be interesting to see again.
lol
Profesional pin cushion?
Likely the undercanoate was still kicking a bit since its half life is like linger than ive been alive.
lol
Still i find a clomid and 1 compound cycle an interesting thing.



You're right about Clomid and horrible sides over time.
Exactly as you describe.

Next time I hop on EQ or DECA I'll get labs done again and see how the clomid is holding up again on a no test cycle. Though it'll be a while.

Maybe I'm lucky. There are some studies that show Clomid to be pretty mild and safe. I'm on 4 years and have never had side effects. Though I'm sure that might eventually catch up with me. Once I finally decide whether or not I want kids, I can consider dropping the clomid for trt and stop giving a fuck about fertility.

 

[BigMo]

Next time I hop on EQ or DECA I'll get labs done again and see how the clomid is holding up again on a no test cycle. Though it'll be a while.

Maybe I'm lucky. There are some studies that show Clomid to be pretty mild and safe. I'm on 4 years and have never had side effects. Though I'm sure that might eventually catch up with me. Once I finally decide whether or not I want kids, I can consider dropping the clomid for trt and stop giving a fuck about fertility.

You know if you are worried about fertility most trt clinics actually add HCG to your trt, my protocol is 200 mg testosterone with 2 pins 250iu HCG a week , this keeps the boys working and no shrinkage in size.

 

[mindgame1516]

How lobg does symbiotic usually take to respond to emails

 

[Maktub]

@SymBiotics do you ship ever day ? Or only twice a week?

 

[horowitz1282]

@SymBiotics do you ship ever day ? Or only twice a week?

He ships as he gets orders I believe. But not on the weekends.I have had 3 orders from him and all have shipped quickly after sending payment.

How lobg does symbiotic usually take to respond to emails

He doesnt respond to emails usually on the weekends, will probably be Monday.

 

[mindgame1516]

Ok thanks

 

[JonDoh]

You know if you are worried about fertility most trt clinics actually add HCG to your trt, my protocol is 200 mg testosterone with 2 pins 250iu HCG a week , this keeps the boys working and no shrinkage in size.

So will HCG bring the boys back up to size while you’re on cycle or is it something you’d take strictly as a preventative measure? I thought I’d ask you since you said you use it and I have no experience with it.

 

[Broskie]

You know if you are worried about fertility most trt clinics actually add HCG to your trt, my protocol is 200 mg testosterone with 2 pins 250iu HCG a week , this keeps the boys working and no shrinkage in size.

Yup yup, my endo put me on HCG and testosterone gel in the very beginning. I forgot why we switched to clomid but we did. I don’t mind not having to reconstitute and inject yet another thing... lol

 

[BigMo]

So will HCG bring the boys back up to size while you’re on cycle or is it something you’d take strictly as a preventative measure? I thought I’d ask you since you said you use it and I have no experience with it.

I keep pining twice a week 250 iu even when im on a cycle with more then one compound with no shrinkage what so ever. I've never used it personally to get the boys back but I do know guys who did and they say it works, however the dosages they've used is way more like 1000 to 2000iu a week but as soon they're back to normal they stop immediately such high dosage somthing about Desensitization of the Leydig cells. It might bring them during cycle from my understanding how it works it forces the cells to function to produce testosterone thus preventing shrinkage and death of leydig cells.
Sorry can't be more help like I said I was put on HCG as soon as I started trt so I had no shrinkage issue.

 

[BigMo]

Yup yup, my endo put me on HCG and testosterone gel in the very beginning. I forgot why we switched to clomid but we did. I don’t mind not having to reconstitute and inject yet another thing... lol

Man you've had some neat docs, my endo had me on clomid as a start , but when I discussed with him my fear of long term use of clomid and discussed using injections when i brought HCG up he wouldn't even discuss it with me , even though I've done my research beforehand and i told him i don't wana risk fertility. After that i just went to a clinic who's specialty is HRT/TRT.

 

[Broskie]

Man you've had some neat docs, my endo had me on clomid as a start , but when I discussed with him my fear of long term use of clomid and discussed using injections when i brought HCG up he wouldn't even discuss it with me , even though I've done my research beforehand and i told him i don't wana risk fertility. After that i just went to a clinic who's specialty is HRT/TRT.

“In men who wish to preserve fertility, I will typically use a combination of daily human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) injections and an oral capsule of clomid at various strengths and taken anywhere from once per week to daily, depending on results. HCG mimics a hormone called luteinizing hormone (LH) which is produced primarily in the pituitary gland in the brain. In men, LH signals the leydig cells in the testicles to start producing testosterone. HCG is structurally very similar to luteinizing hormone and when men inject it, the HCG will bind to LH receptors on leydig cells and trigger them to produce testosterone. The result is that the body naturally starts making more testosterone on its own.
Clomid works differently to help the body naturally produce more testosterone. When men produce testosterone, it gets metabolized to tow things, estradiol and dihydrotestosterone. One of the ways the brain determines how much to stimulate the testicles to make testosterone is by sensing how much estradiol there is circulating in the blood. Generally, the higher the testosterone level, the higher the estradiol level. Clomid works by blocking the pituitary’s ability to detect estradiol in the blood and as a result it thinks that testosterone levels are low. This triggers the pituitary gland to make more FSH and LH and thereforefurther promote the natural production of testosterone. In my practice I get a wide range of results when using HCG and clomid. Some men respond to HCG alone and others need high doses of HCG and daily doses of clomid combined. The results for many men are exactly the same, compared to men injecting testosterone. Recently I had two men with testosterone levels in the 1200’s using this protocol and they felt fantastic. More importantly, they both maintained excellent sperm counts which we tested using Lab Corp.”

Seems like depending on the individual, using just one or a combination of the two is used in practice to get peoples testosterone back into line.
I like clomid because it’s stimulating natural production of both LH and FSH. HCG is really only a LH mimetic. Though I’m sure HCG is probably safer in the long term.

 

[Broskie]

IMO
HRT treatments address different types of failures of the system. For example those with primary hypogonadism (complete failure of the testes) can ONLY take testosterone as treatment. Working up this chain, secondary hypogonadism is when the pituitary or hypothalamus does not effectively communicate with the testes. In this case HCG or CLOMID is viable. BUT, if you have complete failure of the pituitary and your testes are fine, no amount of clomid will work. In this case HCG is used because it acts as the signal from the pituitary in place of LH. In my case, my pituitary works fine, it just doesn’t receive appropriate communication from its accessory glands. It’s capable of production but just lacks stimulation. In my case I take clomid because I am tackling my hypogonadism at the highest point in the system.

I don’t make any claims that any one treatment is better though. Just my opinion on where and why I take clomid. It always varies from person to person. Eventually I’ll be on testosterone shots regardless and cut the rest out once I get older and me boys give up on me

 

[BigMo]

IMO
HRT treatments address different types of failures of the system. For example those with primary hypogonadism (complete failure of the testes) can ONLY take testosterone as treatment. Working up this chain, secondary hypogonadism is when the pituitary or hypothalamus does not effectively communicate with the testes. In this case HCG or CLOMID is viable. BUT, if you have complete failure of the pituitary and your testes are fine, no amount of clomid will work. In this case HCG is used because it acts as the signal from the pituitary in place of LH. In my case, my pituitary works fine, it just doesn’t receive appropriate communication from its accessory glands. It’s capable of production but just lacks stimulation. In my case I take clomid because I am tackling my hypogonadism at the highest point in the system.

I don’t make any claims that any one treatment is better though. Just my opinion on where and why I take clomid. It always varies from person to person. Eventually I’ll be on testosterone shots regardless and cut the rest out once I get older and me boys give up on me

True, however a complete failure in the pituitary gland would require a HRT treatment not just TRT as its the engine of our endocrine system. HCG during cycle just helps in faster recovery for people like me if they decide to do pct (instead of the blast and cruise protocol) in which you would introduce clomid to get natural production going.