Agreed. This isn’t going to just be 2 weeks. At this point, I’m just accepting it and have moved to maintenance mode. Trying to retain what i can with what I’ve got at home and creativity. At least most of us are in it together.
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janoshik
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Thank you for your insight, doc.
China locked down half a country at one point because of something between a cold and a flu.
You know, like they always do once or twice a year during flu season.
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Ok. My bad. Continue the hysteria and economic global collapse.
Small businesses won’t keep employees. Employees will lose their jobs.
People won’t be able to pay for stuff like housing.
But we’ll keep granny alive in the nursing home. We stuck her there 5 years ago because we didn’t know what else to do with her and now all of a sudden we’re concerned.
janoshik
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Nothing you had written doesn't make the claim it's 'between a cold and the flu' any less bullshit. Don't deflect.
Cryptotroll
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Thanks lol
Well if you’re going to call bullshit doc then what is it?
The death rate is grossly overestimated because some tougher, less pussy people have been infected but don’t get diagnosed because they don’t go to the doctor for treatment, they just get thru it on their own and recover. Those cases aren’t counted in any of the stats. That would significantly lower the death rate.
Yet that overestimated death rate STILL remains less than the flu. The scienticians are holding onto “it COULD be more deadly than the flu” but so far that’s not a fact.
Epidemiology is the same bullshit that determined the false link between saturated fat and coronary disease. It’s the same bad science creating this false worldwide hysteria.
When the dust settles and the doom and gloom didn’t come to fruition they’re going to say “it’s because we took the appropriate precautions” yet in reality it’s because the disease isn’t that fucking serious to begin with! [emoji12]
janoshik
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Yet another deflection?
Why don't you provide a short, concise, source for the claim you made?
Just one trusted source for your claim.
A single one that says the flu is worse, or gives clear data that supports the statement, just as you claim.
Can't be that hard, after you've wasted so many paragraphs of clutter on this matter.
Meanwhile you can write essays on the following points:
1) you are smarter than government of China and pretty much any scientists, and none of them has anything better to do than bombing their own economy for a matter of little importance (according to you). (GOD. I mean China, the country well known of regarding the well being and health of their citizens despite what economic costs it might take. They'd give up a % of their GDP to save a puppy, riiiiight ?
) 2) you have the necessary education to be able to interpret the number and you have first hand experience with the disease, unlike anybody else. Certainly not the guy who you are trying to argue with
3) while death rate on COVID is extremely overestimated, because light cases don't get diagnosed, literally all, every single one case of flu certainly gets diagnosed, even the lightest ones
I could've thought of some more, but I'll leave it.
Meanwhile, stop spreading bullshit you know jack about.
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BigMo
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And as the Covid-19 match is starting , things are getting more interesting. We go live now to
Round 2.
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Round 2.
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Here is why Corona virus is being hyped...and rightfully so, IMO. You don’t have to believe the hype, but you still need to see beyond your current level of thinking.
Yes, the corona virus is part of the cold/flu family. However, this strain of corona virus is nothing we have seen before. It is causing much harsher respiratory symptoms than the average cold/flu.
Now, think of all your friends and family members that either have a compromised immune system or respiratory problems in general. Do you want to take the chance of them having to try and fight this off?
I live in a community of about 115,000 people. If JUST 10% of my community got the virus that is 11,500 people. If only 10% of those cases became critical that would mean 1,150 people. The largest hospital in my city can't even house that many patients at full capacity. Oh, and meanwhile all of the ICU/CCU/NCU beds are ALREADY full. Where the fuck do we treat these new cases? Who lives, who dies?
Not to mention the short staffing at hospitals and a finite number of vents to help patients breathe.
This is much bigger than a cold/flu season. We need to look beyond the basics of tissues and vicks vapor rub.
So when you see the hype, the closings, the quarantines, the panic...try to keep the end result in mind.
This virus may never effect you personally, but as a global event it can have a major impact on human beings as a whole.
Yes, the corona virus is part of the cold/flu family. However, this strain of corona virus is nothing we have seen before. It is causing much harsher respiratory symptoms than the average cold/flu.
Now, think of all your friends and family members that either have a compromised immune system or respiratory problems in general. Do you want to take the chance of them having to try and fight this off?
I live in a community of about 115,000 people. If JUST 10% of my community got the virus that is 11,500 people. If only 10% of those cases became critical that would mean 1,150 people. The largest hospital in my city can't even house that many patients at full capacity. Oh, and meanwhile all of the ICU/CCU/NCU beds are ALREADY full. Where the fuck do we treat these new cases? Who lives, who dies?
Not to mention the short staffing at hospitals and a finite number of vents to help patients breathe.
This is much bigger than a cold/flu season. We need to look beyond the basics of tissues and vicks vapor rub.
So when you see the hype, the closings, the quarantines, the panic...try to keep the end result in mind.
This virus may never effect you personally, but as a global event it can have a major impact on human beings as a whole.
JC Grifter
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Yet another deflection?
Why don't you provide a short, concise, source for the claim you made?
Just one trusted source for your claim.
A single one that says the flu is worse, or gives clear data that supports the statement, just as you claim.
Can't be that hard, after you've wasted so many paragraphs of clutter on this matter.
Meanwhile you can write essays on the following points:
1) you are smarter than government of China and pretty much any scientists, and none of them has anything better to do than bombing their own economy for a matter of little importance (according to you). (GOD. I mean China, the country well known of regarding the well being and health of their citizens despite what economic costs it might take. They'd give up a % of their GDP to save a puppy, riiiiight ?
2) you have the necessary education to be able to interpret the number and you have first hand experience with the disease, unlike anybody else. Certainly not the guy who you are trying to argue with
3) while death rate on COVID is extremely overestimated, because light cases don't get diagnosed, literally all, every single one case of flu certainly gets diagnosed, even the lightest ones
I could've thought of some more, but I'll leave it.
Meanwhile, stop spreading bullshit you know jack about.
I hear doctor after doctor being interviewed saying exactly what you said but about the media and they need to shut up and stop creating mass hysteria and crashing the economy
janoshik
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Indeed that I agree with.
Yet another deflection?
Why don't you provide a short, concise, source for the claim you made?
Just one trusted source for your claim.
A single one that says the flu is worse, or gives clear data that supports the statement, just as you claim.
Can't be that hard, after you've wasted so many paragraphs of clutter on this matter.
Meanwhile you can write essays on the following points:
1) you are smarter than government of China and pretty much any scientists, and none of them has anything better to do than bombing their own economy for a matter of little importance (according to you). (GOD. I mean China, the country well known of regarding the well being and health of their citizens despite what economic costs it might take. They'd give up a % of their GDP to save a puppy, riiiiight ?
2) you have the necessary education to be able to interpret the number and you have first hand experience with the disease, unlike anybody else. Certainly not the guy who you are trying to argue with
3) while death rate on COVID is extremely overestimated, because light cases don't get diagnosed, literally all, every single one case of flu certainly gets diagnosed, even the lightest ones
I could've thought of some more, but I'll leave it.
Meanwhile, stop spreading bullshit you know jack about.
So since I’m obviously a total idiot talking out of my ass. Answer the question for us: How much worse than the flu is it?
Is it that way for everyone?
Are there people that have it and don’t have strong symptoms - are there people that have it and show no symptoms.
I get that it is bad for people with reduced immune system function. But how bad is it for the average 18-55 year old man in otherwise good health?
movingiron88
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My main question is why did this virus at this point in time get so hyped up with such an extreme reaction? There have been past viruses H1N1, swine flu etc. They had much higher numbers then Cov19 does. Those were new viruses as well, but nowhere near the reaction.
Also, I feel the ones who fear the virus can and should self quarantine. Why not? Why should everyone be forced to rather then the scared use self responsibility and taking appropriate measures? How quickly everyone's rights are taken away. What a precedent to have set. That's the scary part.
Lastly, I would be willing to bet in 6 months when the threat has past we will be regretting this extreme reaction when the economy is shit, we are further in debt, many small businesses and dreams destroyed. This is an utter joke.
I love the guilt they are trying to impose of if it saves a life. Is a life worth trillions of dollars? And if you dont shutter in you want to kill your grandparents. Wtf? Or you can just take a break from seeing them cant you?
Also, I feel the ones who fear the virus can and should self quarantine. Why not? Why should everyone be forced to rather then the scared use self responsibility and taking appropriate measures? How quickly everyone's rights are taken away. What a precedent to have set. That's the scary part.
Lastly, I would be willing to bet in 6 months when the threat has past we will be regretting this extreme reaction when the economy is shit, we are further in debt, many small businesses and dreams destroyed. This is an utter joke.
I love the guilt they are trying to impose of if it saves a life. Is a life worth trillions of dollars? And if you dont shutter in you want to kill your grandparents. Wtf? Or you can just take a break from seeing them cant you?
Why is there always an outbreak around election time?
BigMo
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I needed the break from seeing my parents ,they live 1 mile away from me lool.
Everybody needs to get on @SymBiotics Primo its known to boost the immune system (no one else's primo does that), and no I haven't been paid yet to say this emphasis on yet.
ZDogg
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You stated exactly what I’m thinking. I think a bigger reason of why Chinese and Europeans are dying is because a huge segment of the population smokes, which we all know destroys your lungs, I’m sure adding a virus that attacks your lungs, is many times worse.
In regard to a “life being worth a trillion dollars”, how about an average age of 81 years old, with a compromised immune system. The people that are dying aren’t going to last long, anyways. It’s sad, but maybe this is natural selection doing it’s thing. We’re an overpopulated planet, the Chinese are, arguably, destroying the planet much faster than the rest of us. Maybe shaking some fleas off is beneficial to the rest of the planet.
The destruction of our economy is so much scarier to me, than this virus. What happens when people start killing in the streets, to feed their families? What happens when that death toll overtakes the toll from this virus? It’s so fucking absurd. If you’re at risk, stay the fuck home with your bottle of bleach. Let the rest of us carry on.
100% man. That is very concerning. Create a scare, make some rules, society obeys, government swoops in to save the day. Meanwhile we just gave up more of our power to the elite without even realizing it.
As far as the economy going to shit...I agree too. It's already happening. Recession is inevitabe at this point. But on a side note...I believe the powers that be are trying to avoid a full-blown economic depression.
Either way the 1% will benefit from whatever happens.
Which politician (I fucking hate politicians by the way) is going to get the people on their side by offering "free, no strings attached" economic booster checks?
Villain
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We’re far from overpopulated. I believe they said the entire earth’s population could all fit comfortably in Alaska with room for more.
janoshik
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A total idiot wouldn't much such a good job at avoiding the points and questions raised
Though you've disappointed me with yet another deflection. So let's say partial one, for claiming that flu is worse, let's settle on that.
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