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[Dthcore]

Thanks Dad.




Yikes!!!

No yikes!! It’s a YAAAAAY!! Haha

 

[guearyt]

Anyone here had an experience with Syms tren E? I’m trying to put together another order to use in the near future and considering running Tren for the first time. I’m thinking Tren E mainly because I hate having to pin EOD. But at the same time I want to keep the side effects as low as possible and I’ve heard through the “grapevine” that Tren E side effects can be worse than Tren A. Can anyone give an input on that with their experience? As I said, I’ve never ran any ester of Tren before.

Be prepared. Your life will never be the same.

 

[Oldschool]

No way bro! I’m old enough now! Will be 28 this year! Brain is fully developed. Now I can start TRT, point and laugh at Conner with you guys!

The family just grew! +1 <3

Not yet Junior. Lol

 

[Pcs1215]

Exactly. He’s a many years away from effectively using Tren.

Everyone reads about the “amazing” effects of Tren and it’s like a drug they NEED. Tren sucks though. It fucks with your head and causes sleep issues. Those two things make it difficult to do this as a “hobby” while functioning fully in normal life. If anyone wants to do it as a “bucket list” type thing, great. But it’s not the end all be all drug that everyone thinks it is.

Most guys never see the true potential of these PEDs because they either hop on too soon without making significant natural gains or they aren’t eating enough.

The “recomp” cycle is just spinning wheels. Either grow and eat like it’s your job. Or cut. It’s 200 times more difficult to do both.

I’m in it for strength only so I can tell you when you seriously eat, even on a simple cycle, you grow. Like @Oldschool said - the big 3 lifts. Fuck bi’s/tri’s until much later.

Your opinions on tren are all over the place. Just because you have a way thats effective for you (bulk and cut) doesnt mean that other people haven't figured out how to have extremely successful recomps...seems like if you dont fully understand something or implement it yourself, you immediately criticise or dismiss it...kinda like my tren thread eh?


Btw..even mathematically- 4-(-4)= 8 addition by subtraction lol

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Your opinions on tren are all over the place. Just because you have a way thats effective for you (bulk and cut) doesnt mean that other people haven't figured out how to have extremely successful recomps...seems like if you dont fully understand something or implement it yourself, you immediately criticise or dismiss it...kinda like my tren thread eh?

Ah. Hold a grudge much? Sorry, I had to go look to see who you are. It’s Mr. 10 Post that doesn’t want to hear advice, just validation.

All over the place huh? I would say I’m most certainly consistent with it.

Recomp cycles are stupid.

I said that here and I said that in your dumb quarantine tren thread too.

Can it be done? Of course but you’re spinning wheels at the same time. If you want to grow muscle you need to eat. Eat for the calories your body uses to make that muscle and eat for the protein your body needs to build that muscle. Saturate yourself with exactly what you need to grow.

Your way might work fine for you. But I’m sure you’re also going for that “aesthetic” look. You’re building muscle and trying to lose fat at the same time. Not the most efficient way to do it. Pick one or the other and have the discipline to stick with it. Specialize in cutting or building muscle. Or ride the fence like you are. I don’t care.

 

[guearyt]

Oh look, another smart ass comment. I like the assumption that I just had “normal test levels” believe it or not, I actually had low test levels for someone my age once I was around 20 and that’s before I even did my 1st cycle. Obviously the “doctor” wouldn’t prescribe me anything, so I had to take to a TRT clinic in order to get what I needed. After a while, you get tired of having to pay $130/month for trt. Mainly why I buy “UGL” now. Obviously it’s not pharmaceutical grade, but it’s definitely better to buy 5 for the price of 1. Still feel good, and get to actually run a cycle for a few months out of the year instead of staying on only 150 mg

Connor, dude, I'm almost afraid to talk to you, but what the hell. My brothers on here please forgive me, but I feel I should try.
Connor Dark Net or not.... Read into what these recent comments are telling you. The ones you are condemning. Think about it. Ask yourself, why are they saying this. They are actually offering you really great advice.
People on here are probably tired of me saying this, but one more time for you.....I've been my own lab rat since 1984. I have seen alot of bad shit. So once again, if you are age 23, damn buddy, leave it alone. Your natural hormones are so much more than what the synthetic shit can do for you at this point. And you want to try Tren! You might get lucky. You might not. The livestock drug, tren, can take you down in many many areas. Some fixable. Some not.
I trust you have read medical journals in depth on this nandrolone derivative. That is step one.
Believe me, you don't want to play catch up from age 23 to end of life.
If you continue to be deficient, sure, do the TRT wisely. The T is Testosterone. Not all this other shit you are eager to try.
So much more I could preach to you on this potential mistake, but I'll stop now.
You have offended alot of people on here obviously. Then you continue to slam us while asking for advice. That republican bull shit comment is where you fucked a little too much.
My brothers one here, this is the first time I have really corresponded with Dark Web, so now I got it over with.

 

[Oldschool]

Your opinions on tren are all over the place. Just because you have a way thats effective for you (bulk and cut) doesnt mean that other people haven't figured out how to have extremely successful recomps...seems like if you dont fully understand something or implement it yourself, you immediately criticise or dismiss it...kinda like my tren thread eh?


Btw..even mathematically- 4-(-4)= 8 addition by subtraction lol

Shut the fuck up.

 

[Dthcore]

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Not yet Junior. Lol

DAMN IT!!!! Yeah my levels arent bad, i just stick to cycling. TBH i recently got lower sex drive. But i believe its due to Dutasteride. Been taking it for 6 months or so. No problems getting hard or anything. Just lack of interest, saves me time! Helps me make MONAY! haha

 

[Mdrock98]

Connor, dude, I'm almost afraid to talk to you, but what the hell. My brothers on here please forgive me, but I feel I should try.
Connor Dark Net or not.... Read into what these recent comments are telling you. The ones you are condemning. Think about it. Ask yourself, why are they saying this. They are actually offering you really great advice.
People on here are probably tired of me saying this, but one more time for you.....I've been my own lab rat since 1984. I have seen alot of bad shit. So once again, if you are age 23, damn buddy, leave it alone. Your natural hormones are so much more than what the synthetic shit can do for you at this point. And you want to try Tren! You might get lucky. You might not. The livestock drug, tren, can take you down in many many areas. Some fixable. Some not.
I trust you have read medical journals in depth on this nandrolone derivative. That is step one.
Believe me, you don't want to play catch up from age 23 to end of life.
If you continue to be deficient, sure, do the TRT wisely. The T is Testosterone. Not all this other shit you are eager to try.
So much more I could preach to you on this potential mistake, but I'll stop now.
You have offended alot of people on here obviously. Then you continue to slam us while asking for advice. That republican bull shit comment is where you fucked a little too much.
My brothers one here, this is the first time I have really corresponded with Dark Web, so now I got it over with.

Good write up. Honestly at 23, even if you were prescribed with low T, at that age you should be able to boost your levels naturally with diet and compound lifts. Leave tren alone. From my experience, I only know veterans that have used it, and some wish they never touched the compound in the first place. At 23, you are no veteran, and at my age, I’m no veteran as well.

[emoji1635]

 

[Iron_Yuppie]

I’m thinking Tren E mainly because I hate having to pin EOD. But at the same time I want to keep the side effects as low as possible and I’ve heard through the “grapevine” that Tren E side effects can be worse than Tren A.

Whomever told you that just gave you a freebie. Now you know that they’re an idiot and you can ignore them for the rest of your life.

The reason every single person will tell you to run ace for your first time is simple: tren can have nasty sides and having them for two weeks is worse than a few days. If you need to bail on tren you can feel better a lot quicker on ace vs e. The 11 day (or 9 or 13, ymmv) difference can be a big deal if you get the full suite of side effects. Try having your mental health deteriorate rapidly and then stay there for a few weeks and then tell me you wouldn’t give anything to have that go away.

Sure, lots of guys run tren without issue. But until you know how your body will respond you don’t mess with a longer ester. Suck it up and pin EOD or skip using it entirely.

 

[skinnyprimate]

I've tried tren ace two times. Won't touch it ever again. Tren cough immediately after injection, cardio went to shit and blood pressure was through the roof. Nose would start gushing blood during HIIT. Risk vs reward and the risk outweighs the reward for me. With tren ace, sides went away almost immediately after stopping usage. Couldn't imagine waiting an extra 2 weeks for that shit to subside with enanthate.

 

[guearyt]

Good write up. Honestly at 23, even if you were prescribed with low T, at that age you should be able to boost your levels naturally with diet and compound lifts. Leave tren alone. From my experience, I only know veterans that have used it, and some wish they never touched the compound in the first place. At 23, you are no veteran, and at my age, I’m no veteran as well.

[emoji1635]

Indeed. Always regrets from it. At first, I bought the Tren implant pellets at a local tractor supply store. lol. I crushed and brewed it into injectable. Way before injectable tren was even heard of. Ralgrow was the name of the pellet kits. First time I injected it, I could taste it a coughed my nuts off. What a dumb ass!!! I did a reformulation then. lol.
I'll tell all this as for a type of safety precaution. Any of the trens will do some crazy shit to you. Maybe not at first but put your seat belt on because it's coming.
This I blame entirely on tren, my fault for misuse, but how do you know only 500mg a week is not for you? Used UGL versions of it on and off many times.....
SSRI for severe clinical depression.
Statin drug for cholesterol.
An anti seizure med.
Proton pump inhibitor.
And Warfarin. A blood thinner.
I take these every day. Along with others for different afflictions. None of that shit runs in my family. Due to boring you, I can't tell you all the tell tell signs and events that led to this. But again, I blame tren. With each cycle, something exacerbated. Literally.
Damn I'm long winded but I hope my mishaps and mistakes and whatever, can help some. As for Dark Web Connor, I think I wasted my time. Shame. I read his reasoning for using tren e first. Holy shit!!!!!

 

[Mdrock98]

Indeed. Always regrets from it. At first, I bought the Tren implant pellets at a local tractor supply store. lol. I crushed and brewed it into injectable. Way before injectable tren was even heard of. Ralgrow was the name of the pellet kits. First time I injected it, I could taste it a coughed my nuts off. What a dumb ass!!! I did a reformulation then. lol.
I'll tell all this as for a type of safety precaution. Any of the trens will do some crazy shit to you. Maybe not at first but put your seat belt on because it's coming.
This I blame entirely on tren, my fault for misuse, but how do you know only 500mg a week is not for you? Used UGL versions of it on and off many times.....
SSRI for severe clinical depression.
Statin drug for cholesterol.
An anti seizure med.
Proton pump inhibitor.
And Warfarin. A blood thinner.
I take these every day. Along with others for different afflictions. None of that shit runs in my family. Due to boring you, I can't tell you all the tell tell signs and events that led to this. But again, I blame tren. With each cycle, something exacerbated. Literally.
Damn I'm long winded but I hope my mishaps and mistakes and whatever, can help some. As for Dark Web Connor, I think I wasted my time. Shame. I read his reasoning for using tren e first. Holy shit!!!!!

This is a vet right here. Listen to the man. Oh and by the way, you’re still alive, training and have a outstanding attitude. Glad your here at Meso trying to help us rookies. I don’t know about Connor,but I’m a student of the game, and I take all lessons here and note them.

[emoji1635]

 

[skinnyprimate]

Indeed. Always regrets from it. At first, I bought the Tren implant pellets at a local tractor supply store. lol. I crushed and brewed it into injectable. Way before injectable tren was even heard of. Ralgrow was the name of the pellet kits. First time I injected it, I could taste it a coughed my nuts off. What a dumb ass!!! I did a reformulation then. lol.
I'll tell all this as for a type of safety precaution. Any of the trens will do some crazy shit to you. Maybe not at first but put your seat belt on because it's coming.
This I blame entirely on tren, my fault for misuse, but how do you know only 500mg a week is not for you? Used UGL versions of it on and off many times.....
SSRI for severe clinical depression.
Statin drug for cholesterol.
An anti seizure med.
Proton pump inhibitor.
And Warfarin. A blood thinner.
I take these every day. Along with others for different afflictions. None of that shit runs in my family. Due to boring you, I can't tell you all the tell tell signs and events that led to this. But again, I blame tren. With each cycle, something exacerbated. Literally.
Damn I'm long winded but I hope my mishaps and mistakes and whatever, can help some. As for Dark Web Connor, I think I wasted my time. Shame. I read his reasoning for using tren e first. Holy shit!!!!!

Yes. Pellets from a veterinary online shop. Followed basskillers recipe for homebrew before it became so readily available and cheap compared to back in the day. Sorry about the health complications.

 

[Broskie]

Connor my guy.... Low testosterone to justify steroid usage at a young age is a bit of a stretch. I’m more than certain your testes are functional. If you had a real problem you could see an endocrinologist and start on clomiphene. There are so many safer and intermediary approaches to treating low testosterone yet you skip all that. HCG, clomid, fuck that, lets start shooting tren at 23 and then wonder why you’re infertile by 28.... you want to take tren but you can’t take the heat of knowledgeable forum people? Trens going to abuse you a lot more than these people here. And they’re not wrong to try and shake you up.

Before I took anything I used HCG and then clomid. Kept me feeling normal again until I was actually ready to commit to PED use. You NEED baby steps. Best thing I ever did was I spent my first year of PED use doing 2, 6 week cycles of a single oral. At least I could safely gauge what I was getting into. You have 0 experience and you’re in for a hell of a ride trying to figure this all out as you go.

MRI, fMRI, and MRS scans of steroid users brains show the amygdala enlarges by over 20%. A decrease in brain sugar levels of scyllo-inositol which play a role in preventing neurotoxic proteins from clumping.

You want to start progress on your possible future dementia now? Go ahead. It’s clear you’ve made the commitment and the way you defend yourself and justify your position shows that you’re going to be doing this NO MATTER WHAT. Just don’t be upset when the members here are going to be riding your ass NO MATTER WHAT. They’re doing their job, HARM PREVENTION.

 

[Dthcore]

Connor my guy.... Low testosterone to justify steroid usage at a young age is a bit of a stretch. I’m more than certain your testes are functional. If you had a real problem you could see an endocrinologist and start on clomiphene. There are so many safer and intermediary approaches to treating low testosterone yet you skip all that. HCG, clomid, fuck that, lets start shooting tren at 23 and then wonder why you’re infertile by 28.... you want to take tren but you can’t take the heat of knowledgeable forum people? Trens going to abuse you a lot more than these people here. And they’re not wrong to try and shake you up.

Before I took anything I used HCG and then clomid. Kept me feeling normal again until I was actually ready to commit to PED use. You NEED baby steps. Best thing I ever did was I spent my first year of PED use doing 2, 6 week cycles of a single oral. At least I could safely gauge what I was getting into. You have 0 experience and you’re in for a hell of a ride trying to figure this all out as you go.

MRI, fMRI, and MRS scans of steroid users brains show the amygdala enlarges by over 20%. A decrease in brain sugar levels of scyllo-inositol which play a role in preventing neurotoxic proteins from clumping.

You want to start progress on your possible future dementia now? Go ahead. It’s clear you’ve made the commitment and the way you defend yourself and justify your position shows that you’re going to be doing this NO MATTER WHAT. Just don’t be upset when the members here are going to be riding your ass NO MATTER WHAT. They’re doing their job, HARM PREVENTION.

Isnt the infertility more dependent on the individuals genetics? I think its been shown to be less common than talked about. Which i can see being it considering that most pros that want kids have some.

 

[Broskie]

Isnt the infertility more dependent on the individuals genetics? I think its been shown to be less common than talked about. Which i can see being it considering that most pros that want kids have some.

Yes it is. Though if he’s already having under functioning testes in his early twenties I wouldn’t count on being fertile after adding PEDS on top of that. Anything’s possible though. Generally it’s not that you are incapable of producing sperm, you just end up producing so little and/or weak sperm that conception becomes a huge improbability for a good chunk of people.

 

[BIG74]

@Connor 25257 Well... i have read thru the advice given to you regarding Tren, and i will say this, just like everything it affects everyone different. We all all have those crazy tren stories, but i won't bore ya with mine.

I will say this, as we are all aware people will do what they want, no matter the advice given. But, in an effort to sticking with meso values and keeping this about harm reduction, i will say this, if you are hell bent on trying something, i would opt for DHB over tren. DHB is tren like w/o all the side effects.

Personally i am not advocating you using tren what so ever (but if ya do), i think by all means you should do blood work before hand - CBC, CMP, BP, AND (ECG) electrocardiogram. The last thing ya wanna do is run tren w/o knowing you may have an underlying heart condition which could be exacerbated.

Also if you need advice on cycles, post cycles, what aas does what, I HIGHLY recommend you take a look at this book. It is quite helpful IMO.

 

[Mdrock98]

@Connor 25257 Well... i have read thru the advice given to you regarding Tren, and i will say this, just like everything it affects everyone different. We all all have those crazy tren stories, but i won't bore ya with mine.

I will say this, as we are all aware people will do what they want, no matter the advice given. But, in an effort to sticking with meso values and keeping this about harm reduction, i will say this, if you are hell bent on trying something, i would opt for DHB over tren. DHB is tren like w/o all the side effects.

Personally i am not advocating you using tren what so ever (but if ya do), i think by all means you should do blood work before hand - CBC, CMP, BP, AND (ECG) electrocardiogram. The last thing ya wanna do is run tren w/o knowing you may have an underlying heart condition which could be exacerbated.

Also if you need advice on cycles, post cycles, what aas does what, I HIGHLY recommend you take a look at this book. It is quite helpful IMO.

 

[Akuj]

Conor, I'm a newbie here but I have to tell you. The reason everyone here goes at you is simply because you're responding to everything like you got a tampon stuck in you. Yeah, you made a mistake, if you do any reading and learning here you will understand that they're breaking your balls because you put yourself in that situation by doing a dumb move. Everyone here made or makes mistakes, it's more about how you go about them to correct yourself. Correcting yourself is not just saying "yeah I made a mistake my bad". Anyone can say that, however actions are louder than words (even though it is a forum with words) just by how you're replying and conducting yourself afterwards is why you're constantly receiving the shit end of the stick. Flow with the current not against it when people here are trying to give you solid advice. It's really because some people here have done what you're doing and at the end of the day they do have your best interest BECAUSE THEY WENT THROUGH IT. So on that note, stop acting like a soy boy, man up, tough it out.