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Your platelet, WBC and neutrophil count indicate to me you might have a small infection. How are you feeling?
Your bone marrow seems to be a bit hyperactive.

Edit: I am not a licensed medical professional, this is not medical advice.

So that might have to do with my "mild" anemia. I say mild because I was told it was mild and not an issue by my primary. Went to my endo for something unrelated and he noted that my levels were such an issue that he recommended an IV drip of iron and an immediate meeting with the primary. Got to the primary and he still seemed to not be too concerned, because my levels are "low but stable." Going to a hemotologist in 3 days to get this all sorted out, but a quick Google search showed me high platelet count is linked to anemia, so I figured that's it.

I feel like an idiot for not taking some iron as soon as I found out it was mild, but I figured I shouldn't since I had no symptoms. Now, if it turns out I've been dealing with issues this entire time, I'm going to be mad at myself for deciding against taking iron. The anemia is likely hereditary, though.

EDIT: Looking back though, my platelet count was normal a few months ago. My absolute neutrophils was also in range, and my WBC was lower than it is now. Considering my hemoglobin levels have stayed fairly consistent, I doubt it's the anemia worsening. I don't feel bad though, so this is odd. I'll definitely inquire about it with my doc.

EDIT #2: My dumbass went to the gym the day I did my bloodwork, so perhaps that could have thrown off my WBC levels? Going to the gym = more inflammation, right? Reading about this right now and thinking that could be it.
 
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No, no problem at all. Everything is about Connor. If it wasn’t then Connor would have another meltdown where he falls to the floor kicking and screaming.

This has and always will be my biggest complaint against Connor. I can overlook his autistic interpersonal skills or his cunty attitude. But what I can’t overlook is his selfishness. He’s NOT a member of the overall community. He’s here for one reason and one reason only - Connor.

If he ever has anything helpful to say or good descent advice then I’ll be proven wrong. But Connor only cares about Connor. That’s the problem.

Exactly. Thats why I’m here. Even though it’s tough, as AAS users, there is so much you can learn here with the right attitude. Being “mr know it alls” will get you nowhere here. Maybe Connor has good intentions, I don’t know the kid.. but as a 23 year old, he should definitely respect the veterans here like I do.
 
I was just thinking about when i ventured into the online world of AAS. E-Roids actually popped my cherry. LOL. Over the years and quite a few forums later, i finally found my home here. One thing i did to prove myself on those various forums and to show i could be a good contributing member, was to get blood work done. This should be common sense, but i feel like it needs reiterating. So... to all you new comers, if you are looking to help your fellow board members, as well as yourself, DO BLOOD WORK!

The second thing i suggest is lend help where and when ya can. There are a lot of other topics on here other than the underground. Take a look around, maybe you are mechanically inclined, artistic, or what ever.... My point is we all have things we are good and knowledgeable with other than AAS experience.

And last but not least, again if you are new, be open minded and respectful to the veterans here.
 
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And last but not least, be open minded and respectful

Awww... but that takes all of the fun out of it!
:kicking rocks emoji:

When you first joined MESO, I told you to jump off a bridge in an elaborate story of quiet self-reflection.

But you took that for what it was and you didn’t snowflake a wimpy victim response. I don’t think I ever gave you shit after that and you’ve become a valued contributor here.

Connor’s got me on “ignore” so he doesn’t ever see the helpful side of me. I just blast him every chance I get because I know he’s not reading it.
 
Awww... but that takes all of the fun out of it!
:kicking rocks emoji:

When you first joined MESO, I told you to jump off a bridge in an elaborate story of quiet self-reflection.

But you took that for what it was and you didn’t snowflake a wimpy victim response. I don’t think I ever gave you shit after that and you’ve become a valued contributor here.

Connor’s got me on “ignore” so he doesn’t ever see the helpful side of me. I just blast him every chance I get because I know he’s not reading it.

Well i just changed my post, to reflect what i really intended to say. I meant that the new comer should be respectful to the vets here. I personally will be quite disrespectful if i feel the situation dictates.

LMAO!! Yes sir i recall that. I honestly would've been disappointed if it didn't get catch some shit. haha

Yep we've been cool since. Thanks i try to do my part.

Ya i figured he might have done that. You know the saying, sometime it takes a village.

On another note... you think this thread is heading toward TGI territory? I feel like times it is somewhat reminiscent of his.
 
I was just thinking about when i ventured into the online world of AAS. E-Roids actually popped my cherry. LOL. Over the years and quite a few forums later, i finally found my home here. One thing i did to prove myself on those various forums and to show i could be a good contributing member, was to get blood work done. This should be common sense, but i feel like it needs reiterating. So... to all you new comers, if you are looking to help your fellow board members, as well as yourself, DO BLOOD WORK!

The second thing i suggest is lend help where and when ya can. There are a lot of other topics on here other than the underground. Take a look around, maybe you are mechanically inclined, artistic, or what ever.... My point is we all have things we are good and knowledgeable with other than AAS experience.

And last but not least, again if you are new, be open minded and respectful to the veterans here.

Erroids popped mine too. Way back in the day when I thought var only cycles were ok. Hahaha.
 
Well i just changed my post, to reflect what i really intended to say. I meant that the new comer should be respectful to the vets here. I personally will be quite disrespectful if i feel the situation dictates.

LMAO!! Yes sir i recall that. I honestly would've been disappointed if it didn't get catch some shit. haha

Yep we've been cool since. Thanks i try to do my part.

Ya i figured he might have done that. You know the saying, sometime it takes a village.

On another note... you think this thread is heading toward TGI territory? I feel like times it is somewhat reminiscent of his.

Off topic like TGI? Yes. Just not as populated. It’s way off topic just about all the time though. Missing about 30 more people that all get along.
 
So that might have to do with my "mild" anemia. I say mild because I was told it was mild and not an issue by my primary. Went to my endo for something unrelated and he noted that my levels were such an issue that he recommended an IV drip of iron and an immediate meeting with the primary. Got to the primary and he still seemed to not be too concerned, because my levels are "low but stable." Going to a hemotologist in 3 days to get this all sorted out, but a quick Google search showed me high platelet count is linked to anemia, so I figured that's it.

I feel like an idiot for not taking some iron as soon as I found out it was mild, but I figured I shouldn't since I had no symptoms. Now, if it turns out I've been dealing with issues this entire time, I'm going to be mad at myself for deciding against taking iron. The anemia is likely hereditary, though.

EDIT: Looking back though, my platelet count was normal a few months ago. My absolute neutrophils was also in range, and my WBC was lower than it is now. Considering my hemoglobin levels have stayed fairly consistent, I doubt it's the anemia worsening. I don't feel bad though, so this is odd. I'll definitely inquire about it with my doc.

EDIT #2: My dumbass went to the gym the day I did my bloodwork, so perhaps that could have thrown off my WBC levels? Going to the gym = more inflammation, right? Reading about this right now and thinking that could be it.

Good day my friend,

None of you really know me, but I’ve been around here for several years and a few other forum boards that have shut down over the last 10-15 years.

I just wanted to weigh in a little bit on the blood work you posted, if you don’t mind. I don’t know too much about your history or what you’re taking or how long you've been taking it, etc. I tell my students that you will learn more from talking with the patient than any chart or lab sheet could ever tell you, but like I said, it would be foolish to sit here and act like anyone could tell you what's going on with your body just by looking at some lab values.

With that being said, I could just give you some insight on what I see without having any other information to go off of.

Your kidney function looks great. Your liver AST level is 34, which means absolutely nothing. HDL levels are too low for my comfort, but unless you want to take medication that has some pretty grueling side-effects you are better off trying to correct it through diet. Besides, cholesterol is more genetics than anything else. I am surprised your cholesterol isn't a little higher with that testosterone level. With regards to your CBC - You have a high RBC count which is common in a lot of individuals who are taking AAS, especially testosterone. There is a disease known as Secondary Polycythemia that AAS can bring upon some individuals which causes an extremely elevated RBC, hematocrit, platelet count, and WBC count, but I don't see that in your labs here. With your high RDW, very low MCV, low hemoglobin and hematocrit, all of these values show you having a Microcytic Anemia. Some of the things we look at with Microcytic anemia are Thalassemias, Iron deficiency anemia, lead poisoning, sideroblastic anemia, and anemia of chronic disease. The majority of patients will have Iron deficiency or anemia of chronic disease.

This isn't to say that you have any of these conditions. AAS can cause your CBC to greatly differ and have such wide variability, especially when talking about RBCs and Iron. If you are having no symptoms, then there's not much that we would really do at this point unless that MCV level sparked an interest, which it kind of does but without any other supporting evidence it makes it impossible to say. Your absolute neutrophil count is nothing, that goes way up with steroid use, inflammation, working out, etc. Anemia causes thrombocytosis all by itself. There are obviously other realms one could delve into, such as the leukemia and lymphomas, but I see no reason to even bring that up at this point as it would be very irresponsible without any other evidence or information to go off of.

Definitely go see the hematologist and see what's going on and what they think, but I don't see a whole lot of anything as far as it being overly concerning. I hope you have a good rest of your week, my friend!


As I'm sure this doesn't need to be said, but this is not medical advice and should not be read as such. This is purely for educational discourse and healthy discussion. Always consult your own personal physician before making any decisions regarding your health. I would caution that you see an actual physician, though, as mid-level practitioners have infiltrated this field of medicine and like to play around in an area of medicine that is much too deep for their level of training (Physician assistants and Nurse Practitioners). Good day, everybody.
 
Good day my friend,

None of you really know me, but I’ve been around here for several years and a few other forum boards that have shut down over the last 10-15 years.

I just wanted to weigh in a little bit on the blood work you posted, if you don’t mind. I don’t know too much about your history or what you’re taking or how long you've been taking it, etc. I tell my students that you will learn more from talking with the patient than any chart or lab sheet could ever tell you, but like I said, it would be foolish to sit here and act like anyone could tell you what's going on with your body just by looking at some lab values.

With that being said, I could just give you some insight on what I see without having any other information to go off of.

Your kidney function looks great. Your liver AST level is 34, which means absolutely nothing. HDL levels are too low for my comfort, but unless you want to take medication that has some pretty grueling side-effects you are better off trying to correct it through diet. Besides, cholesterol is more genetics than anything else. I am surprised your cholesterol isn't a little higher with that testosterone level. With regards to your CBC - You have a high RBC count which is common in a lot of individuals who are taking AAS, especially testosterone. There is a disease known as Secondary Polycythemia that AAS can bring upon some individuals which causes an extremely elevated RBC, hematocrit, platelet count, and WBC count, but I don't see that in your labs here. With your high RDW, very low MCV, low hemoglobin and hematocrit, all of these values show you having a Microcytic Anemia. Some of the things we look at with Microcytic anemia are Thalassemias, Iron deficiency anemia, lead poisoning, sideroblastic anemia, and anemia of chronic disease. The majority of patients will have Iron deficiency or anemia of chronic disease.

This isn't to say that you have any of these conditions. AAS can cause your CBC to greatly differ and have such wide variability, especially when talking about RBCs and Iron. If you are having no symptoms, then there's not much that we would really do at this point unless that MCV level sparked an interest, which it kind of does but without any other supporting evidence it makes it impossible to say. Your absolute neutrophil count is nothing, that goes way up with steroid use, inflammation, working out, etc. Anemia causes thrombocytosis all by itself. There are obviously other realms one could delve into, such as the leukemia and lymphomas, but I see no reason to even bring that up at this point as it would be very irresponsible without any other evidence or information to go off of.

Definitely go see the hematologist and see what's going on and what they think, but I don't see a whole lot of anything as far as it being overly concerning. I hope you have a good rest of your week, my friend!


As I'm sure this doesn't need to be said, but this is not medical advice and should not be read as such. This is purely for educational discourse and healthy discussion. Always consult your own personal physician before making any decisions regarding your health. I would caution that you see an actual physician, though, as mid-level practitioners have infiltrated this field of medicine and like to play around in an area of medicine that is much too deep for their level of training (Physician assistants and Nurse Practitioners). Good day, everybody.

Thanks for this man! Super insightful and definitely helped me understand the bloodwork even more. It's good to know that there isn't anything too bad on there. I'll be seeing the hemotologist later this week, so I'm interested to see what their expert opinion is on my anemia.
 
Hey guys,
Been offline for a while so excuse the ignorance, but is Sym still gtg??
Everything points to yes as of currently. I can’t help but laugh at my situation a little - every single one of my sources had either shut down for COVID or been forced to take time off because of personal reasons. I’ve been following a few other sources on here for quite some time and decided to try out SymBiotics and see what he’s riding with. Unfortunately, you can never be 100% sure on anything. I had a real good source about 6-7 years ago (“Dawg pound”, if that rings a bell for anyone else) and after using them for quite some time I took a break and when I came back about a year later they had stolen a bunch of peoples’ money and shut down shop.
 
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