SymBiotics (U.S. domestic)

[MisterSuperGod]

Without a doubt there are plenty of guys blowing up his email looking to buy from!!!!

For certain. Think about all the leeches that only come here once to get the email address then never check back in.

He could run through all the questionable vials and no one would be the wiser.

 

[DrinkFlintWater]

but it sounds like some here will buy from him anyway

Without a doubt there are plenty of guys blowing up his email looking to buy from!!!!

Think about all the leeches that only come here once to get the email address then never check back in.

 

[Ari O’Speedwagon]

Yeah, I just run 22g, even with my cruise cyp at 100.
10ml vial lasts until the end with no floaters or issues with the rubber

Same. Draw with 22g and inject with 25g. I’ve been doing this for years and have never had an issue.

 

[MaskedLiberty]

For certain. Think about all the leeches that only come here once to get the email address then never check back in.

He could run through all the questionable vials and no one would be the wiser.

I couldn't sleep at night running business like that... yuck

I am sure there are people out there that would though..

 

[Ari O’Speedwagon]

Did everyone who requested reships or refunds get what was promised?

I ordered about 3 days before shit went south. I reached out to him and he replied that he hadn’t shipped my order yet. He asked if I’d like a refund or if I still wanted it. I realize I’m probably in the complete minority, but I had him ship my order and asked him to inspect the vials prior.
My thinking is that Sym has been selling a lot of gear and I doubt these floaters are a brand new occurrence that just appeared in the last few orders over the past few weeks. Of course, I may be totally wrong, but I would guess some particles have been present in vials for a while and nobody noticed until recently. Once the issue was noticed, everyone did thorough inspections. Aside from one guy several months ago, I don’t recall any posts about infections or issues using his gear. Obviously, we all want 100% clean gear, free of any unwanted particles, but I know this shit happens with pharma grade occasionally.
I did inspect my vials when I got my order and didn’t notice anything. I’ve already started using the test prop and mast prop. I’ve ordered filters and sterile vials to have on hand, but I’m not sure if I’m going to refilter this order or not.
I realize my stance is in the minority. However, if there was an issue with infections due to his products, we would have heard about it before this issue was brought to light. While everyone is essentially anonymous online, every post and interaction with Sym indicates to me that he’s a decent guy that respects this community and takes pride in his work. His initial responses to this issue were BS and it looked like he was scrambling for a minute. Although he may be done for most members here, I’m not convinced I’d write him off as a source. I’m kinda waiting to see what his next move is here.

 

[MaskedLiberty]

For all of you considering re-filtering, I strongly suggest studying up on sterility for your media jugs, vials and what ever way you decide to transfer from said media jug to vial. Good luck.

 

[JC Grifter]

For all of you considering re-filtering, I strongly suggest studying up on sterility for your media jugs, vials and what ever way you decide to transfer from said media jug to vial. Good luck.

Good advice. I’m definitely going to read up more before I re-filter. I’m in no rush to hop back on anything. I want to take my time and do it right

 

[DrinkFlintWater]

Where is Asymptomatic anyway? He still floating around or what?

 

[Mdrock98]

Same wallet, but I seem to remember there was one complicating factor. Fuck, I can’t think of it right now. It’s like on the tip of my tongue. Um, bare with me, it rhymes with peeler. Oh yea, that’s right, you’re receiving money from an illegal drug dealer.

I wouldn’t go with a refund. Too many what-ifs.

Lmao.

 

[jbil75]

Just an old man throwing this in for thought....
Brewing since 1984.

Several have mentioned simply drawing around the piece of stopper that has broken off and now is now in the AAS vial....

This is different from mfg to mfg but, is it the outsides of the stoppers that are sterilized after they are molded, or, are the stopper fillers and binding agents sterilized as well?

Try this...
Tear or cut a stopper in half and compare the texture from inside to outside.

But before you tear or cut the stopper, submerge it in a glass bowl, filled with safflower, cottonseed, grape seed oil. Or any common transfer oil.
While tearing or cutting the stopper, use a magnifying glass for close observation. Do you see one very, very small bubble escape in the process? Most of the time it will be several. Watch closely.
Using distilled water will do but watch quickly. In tap, spring, or purified water, the bubbles get away too quickly to see in most cases.

Question:
Is the air inside the bubble that was in the stopper sterile or does it carry contaminants from the air where the stopper was molded and you are releasing foreign air into your gear?
Same with plunging the pin and bubbles seep into the vial. Slow and gently is best. At least that's what she said.

Most stoppers are molded with high heat but is the heat hot enough to kill contaminants in the air or just hot enough to bind the stopper?

Health and safety is #1. I've learned the hard way and pay for it every day now.

Good luck brothers. Take care of yourselves now so you are able to in the future also.

Damn you have been brewing for 36 years? How difficult was it to obtain raws back then?

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

For all of you considering re-filtering, I strongly suggest studying up on sterility for your media jugs, vials and what ever way you decide to transfer from said media jug to vial. Good luck.

Small-time stuff. They should be going thru syringe filters into pre-sterilized, pre-crimped vials. So they don’t need to sterilize anything themselves. Lol. You can’t trust some of these guys to do more than that.

 

[JC Grifter]

Small-time stuff. They should be going thru syringe filters into pre-sterilized, pre-crimped vials. So they don’t need to sterilize anything themselves. Lol. You can’t trust some of these guys to do more than that.

Oh good. Glad you said that. I’m getting pre seal vials and after reading the original post, I thought I was missing something

 

[limitphobic]

Yeah saw some nice combo magnetic/hot plates on amazon for like 40$-90$. Seems like they would do the job just fine.

Look at the reviews. I haven’t found a single one worth trying under $200. And I’ve looked at a LOT of them even at the $200+ range and the reviews are either too few or not good.

 

[Rival]

Look at the reviews. I haven’t found a single one worth trying under $200. And I’ve looked at a LOT of them even at the $200+ range and the reviews are either too few or not good.

you could always just get a regular digital hot plate and stir with a glass rod. I’m thinking of ditching the magnetic stir part tbh. I don’t think a magnetic stir is completely necessary. Reading up on the brew process it almost seems as if the oil and powder will start to twirl/mix itself as it heats to ~250 degrees F. Add in the BB and BA and turn off the heat and mix. The magnetic stir might be overkill but I hear ya, looking more into the reviews people tend to bitch there’s no “digital temp reading” or the temp fluctuates to much for proper use.

I personally wouldn’t mind spending a bit more to get a nice one from med supply. Might be overkill though

 

[Rayyredd]

I emailed sym and got a response today. He asked what I needed replaced and for an address. I’ve ordered sterile filters and sterile vials already. Also found some 35cc syringes locally that I figured I would use since some have mentioned smaller ones being a pain.

 

[justanoob]

I emailed sym and got a response today. He asked what I needed replaced and for an address. I’ve ordered sterile filters and sterile vials already. Also found some 35cc syringes locally that I figured I would use since some have mentioned smaller ones being a pain.

are you refiltering the stuff that you didnt see floaters in?

 

[focussvt]

Probably no point posting now but here is bloodwork on 300 per week split every 3.5 days. ( ordered about 2 months ago, no floaters in this vial lol)

 

[Rayyredd]

are you refiltering the stuff that you didnt see floaters in?

I am. I’ve got the supplies to do it so I might as well to de sure.

 

[limitphobic]

you could always just get a regular digital hot plate and stir with a glass rod. I’m thinking of ditching the magnetic stir part tbh. I don’t think a magnetic stir is completely necessary. Reading up on the brew process it almost seems as if the oil and powder will start to twirl/mix itself as it heats to ~250 degrees F. Add in the BB and BA and turn off the heat and mix. The magnetic stir might be overkill but I hear ya, looking more into the reviews people tend to bitch there’s no “digital temp reading” or the temp fluctuates to much for proper use.

I personally wouldn’t mind spending a bit more to get a nice one from med supply. Might be overkill though

Digital heat tray is a good idea, it definitely beats using the stove top haha “set on low and keep an eye on it” yeah no haha I seen one magnet stirrer that would sling that magnet all over the place it was ridicules. The video is in the reviews somewhere.

Heat tray and a glass stirrer sounds like a good starting point. Now to learn the sterilization process for the glass/Pyrex measuring beakers etc (facepalm)

 

[guearyt]

Damn you have been brewing for 36 years? How difficult was it to obtain raws back then?

LOL. Just some creativity.

Remember when Tren was Ralgro or Zeranol? lol. It was in the 80's. A cattle implant. Had to get it from a farm supply store or vet. I think they sold 24 and 240 pellet packs.
I found it to be MK-188 peptide.....hmmmm. Easily obtainable, legal, no Rx.
EPO.... MK-X peptide. The list is pretty much endless.
Just had to search in the right areas. I stayed mostly domestic or Mex.

The Molecular Structures are the link. That's all I'll say about that.

I have wanted to do a seminar or a class on this for so many years, but I would be asking for trouble. I did have an "Underground Chemical Crossover" reference book I devised around the same time Dan Duchaine wrote his first "Underground Steroid Handbook". In the 80's. Dan lived down the road from me before he was railroaded. I destroyed my book about 20 years ago. Paranoia got me. Even helped a few pros with chems. Only a few.

For me, it was always a rush in every aspect.